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Originally Posted by CosmicHolyGhost View Post
 


they are committing suicide if they ever lower the price... never taunt their fans to think about how much their products really worth...


Thank you for putting what I am feeling into words, I just couldn't describe it the way you do. That's one big, huge, giant problem in this sector unfortunately.

 

As for the comparison against X3, that device has its roots from 2-3 years ago even James said the build quality is not top notch due to old story of the player. If we want comparison, newly designed and produced X5 would be fair against any AK product.

 

I like what iRiver is trying to do, but they are also not playing fair if you ask me, and probably pretty much every user of their daps thinks they are well built, designed, filled with features but overpriced.

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 There have been plenty of inside pics of an AK120. Build and materials are definitely top notch.:smile: Whether you think there's enough in it in terms of parts and labor is another matter but value is for the consumer to decide. We have no problem buying CIEMs that have less in them and don't cost more to make.

 

I'm sorry but can we stop with the I don't want to spend this much so it's crap stuff. I suspect many that comment in this way have never held or used one. Just don't buy it instead of continually rationalizing why not. I don't get why some seem to take pricing so personally. The market takes care of itself. If it was that overpriced, it wouldn't be so successful. 


Edited by goodvibes - 11/24/13 at 5:22am
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Originally Posted by goodvibes View Post

 There have been plenty of inside pics of an AK120. Build and materials are definitely top notch.smile.gif  Whether you think there's enough in it in terms of parts and labor is another matter but value is for the consumer to decide. We have no problem buying CIEMs that have less in them and don't cost more to make.

I'm sorry but can we stop with the I don't want to spend this much so it's crap stuff. I suspect many that comment in this way have never held or used one. Just don't buy it instead of continually rationalizing why not. I don't get why some seem to take pricing so personally. The market takes care of itself. If it was that overpriced, it wouldn't be so successful. 

I have to agree that its really expensive and not something everyone is willing to pay. But when heard it I told the shop keeper shut up and take my money. Hahahahah. The ak120 may not have the best sound in the world but it sure have a balance of everyting. Good sound the beats most other dap, sleek form that makes it portable and a UI that doesn't give you one hell of a problem like other daps. Maybe it lacks a playlist function but with everything else it wasn't an issue. Proud to own one myself.
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Thanks. Perhaps it's time to take the plunge and let Vinnie do the rest. I notice ianmedium that you have the 120 and the 801. Which do you prefer? And did you find the double-dacs to make a worthwhile uptick in SQ over the 100?

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As long as I have been a member of headfi there have been other members who say the cheaper product is a giant killer and beats other products in the same category or comes so close its not worth spending the extra money. Every single one of those "giant killers" that I have heard come no where near in terms of refinement, build and musicality.

Case in point is the fabled O2 amp. Yeah, its fine and for the price a nice amp, is it better than an RSA Blackbird, no way, it feels rough in comparison and the guy who designed it is all about the numbers being the end all to how an amp sounds. This is obvious when one listens to it.

I am sure it measures a whole lot better than my TU-05 but in terms of musicality it comes no where near as close as that amp or my old Blackbird. If folks think it does then it is they who are fooling themselves!

If you think something is too expensive or a rip off the easy answer is don't buy it! Go buy your Fiio's/IBasso's and enjoy them but truly, if you cannot hear the sound quality differences that is down more to your ability to either A, not have good enough hearing to tell or B, you can't afford or do not want to justify spending more so you build your cheaper product up the mythical giant killer status to act as a salve then call the rest of us who are prepared to save to buy the more expensive gear fools with more money than sense! Laughable!
Edited by ianmedium - 11/24/13 at 8:33am
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Hey AK120 owners. Would a PC user who has successfully created a playlist for the device be willing to share that file with a Mac user. I would love to see how difficult it would be to create one on a Mac. I would also be interested in talking with Mac users with programming experience who would like to collaborate on this project. PM me if you can help.

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Originally Posted by Sam Edwards View Post
 

Hey AK120 owners. Would a PC user who has successfully created a playlist for the device be willing to share that file with a Mac user. I would love to see how difficult it would be to create one on a Mac. I would also be interested in talking with Mac users with programming experience who would like to collaborate on this project. PM me if you can help.

 

I'm a mac user and even if i do not have much skills in computing since, would like to collaborate in this project.

 

regards

 

Samuel777

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today i wasted much time on splitting flac albums via XLD software, guess will take me ages if i am to do this for my whole collection.

AK people !!!!!! If you listen to your customers please teach your DAP to read cue files and you will have an easy win over others wink.gif
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Ianmedium, was that last post directed at my question to you? I really am interested in hearing your opinion on the relative SQ upgrade you felt one gets going from the AK 100 to the AK 120. As you can see from my equipment profile, I am certainly no stranger to spending the extra money it takes to getting high-end performance and can certainly appreciate the difference. But at some point, as I am sure you will agree, the incremental gain may not justify the incremental expense, especially since there are rumours that a new AK model is in the works for release sometime early next year, perhaps with the line out that many of us wish the AK 120 had included. But if you don't feel sharing your impressions would be useful for this forum, I will just move on.

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Ianmedium, was that last post directed at my question to you? I really am interested in hearing your opinion on the relative SQ upgrade you felt one gets going from the AK 100 to the AK 120. As you can see from my equipment profile, I am certainly no stranger to spending the extra money it takes to getting high-end performance and can certainly appreciate the difference. But at some point, as I am sure you will agree, the incremental gain may not justify the incremental expense, especially since there are rumours that a new AK model is in the works for release sometime early next year, perhaps with the line out that many of us wish the AK 120 had included. But if you don't feel sharing your impressions would be useful for this forum, I will just move on.

 

He's probably referring to Miceblues comment made earlier on this thread. It's ok for people to believe what they want. At the end of the day they are fooling themselves IMO. Whatever floats your boat or makes you feel better ;).

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Thanks for the clarification, Lee 730. Appreciate it.

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Thanks for the clarification, Lee 730. Appreciate it.

 

Keep in mind oriise the comments I've made earlier on in this thread regarding the S-mod. When a portable unit (more so transportable IMO) is on the same level or better than a desktop rig is pretty much unheard of. This isn't just slightly better than your run of the mill audiophile DAP. It simply crushes them. No comparison when this device compares to desktop rigs. Just keep that in mind. That's no small feat and is quite amazing IMO. To be able to have that type of sound quality on the go and not being stuck to your desk is fantastic and the reason why I opted for the mod in the first place.

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Oriise, no it was not directed at your question, just some thoughts on so called Giant Killers that aren't!

As to the differences I don't know. I only heard the AK100 once and that was a few months before I got my 120 so I could not say about the differences in sound quality.
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He's probably referring to Miceblues comment made earlier on this thread. It's ok for people to believe what they want. At the end of the day they are fooling themselves IMO. Whatever floats your boat or makes you feel better wink.gif.

Thats it exactly! I posted my response previous before I saw yours Lee!
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I would have to sell a kidney, but the recovery would be awesome.

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