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post #2026 of 6309
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Originally Posted by Achmedisdead View Post

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Originally Posted by cravenz View Post


Noted. Does it happen with iPod etc? Genuine question biggrin.gif

If you have a Clip+, and then install the Rockbox firmware, there is an audible difference in the sound because Rockbox fixes  the incorrect  playback speed of the Sansa firmware. So yes, firmware can indeed change the sound, even in the mainstream devices.

Is that documented anywhere? Daft Punk's "One More Time" sounds the same to me on the stock operating system compared to Rockbox, no EQs applied.

Of course this is time dependent as it takes a while to switch from one OS to another, but from memory they sound identical to me with approximate volume matching.

 

I don't know if it makes a difference, but I'm using the Clip Zip instead of the Clip+.


Edited by miceblue - 6/30/13 at 3:09pm
post #2027 of 6309
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Originally Posted by dallan View Post

Be sure to check your OS too.  My Snow Leopard is not supported by the dac although it will work to download files.  All my software works so well i haven't wanted to upgrade it to Lion or Mountain Lion and have a glitch in something.  I have dacs anyway but kind of a bummer.

It's the AK120 FW version for sure......I'm using 1.00 and it does not support USB DAC use.

post #2028 of 6309
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Originally Posted by musicday View Post

IF YOU ARE NOT USING THE DAC FUNCTION DO NOT UPDATE TO 1.21.
1.00 SOUNDS MUCH BETTER.
LET'S HOPE IRIVER FIX ALL THIS IN A NEW FIRMAWARE.rolleyes.gif

I am agree with you
As pure DAP AK 120 with fw 1.00 has better SQ than fw 1.21
SQ : more fuller sound , thicker mid and better bass impact

With amp fw 1.21 is better in clarity , but the midrange still can not as good with fw 1.00
IMO
post #2029 of 6309
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Originally Posted by Saraguie View Post

 

That was it thanks Music.......beerchug.gif

 

I've got a bunch on new CDs which I need to listen to see what get's added to the library.


Steve do you have a bunch of local music on CD? ;). Wondering if you do and maybe we can trade some music :P. There's so much stuff I want (from yesteryear!) that I have on mp3 but want in lossless.

post #2030 of 6309
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Steve do you have a bunch of local music on CD? ;). Wondering if you do and maybe we can trade some music :P. There's so much stuff I want (from yesteryear!) that I have on mp3 but want in lossless.

Na, hardly any......I've been copying and replacing, The Hollies, Herman's Hermits, Ten Years After, Donavan, and Journey so far today :)  I have a Kealii Reichel cd somewhere and when I find it your welcome to it. I get most of my music from the excellent referral you turned me onto.

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Originally Posted by Saraguie View Post

Na, hardly any......I've been copying and replacing, The Hollies, Herman's Hermits, Ten Years After, Donavan, and Journey so far today :)  I have a Kealii Reichel cd somewhere and when I find it your welcome to it. I get most of my music from the excellent referral you turned me onto.


Aww! lol. Well I do have Kealii Reichel. Guess I'll have to ask around or just fork out for the other CDs. I bought 7 CDs yesterday... So much good stuff IMO. Quite a bit of it is harder to come by these days. Stuff like Tropical Knights (Sweet and slow).

 

 

Glad you like the source ;).


Edited by lee730 - 6/30/13 at 5:37pm
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Originally Posted by Saraguie View Post

Na, hardly any......I've been copying and replacing, The Hollies, Herman's Hermits, Ten Years After, Donavan, and Journey so far today :)  I have a Kealii Reichel cd somewhere and when I find it your welcome to it. I get most of my music from the excellent referral you turned me onto.

 

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Originally Posted by lee730 View Post


Aww! lol. Well I do have Kealii Reichel. Guess I'll have to ask around or just fork out for the other CDs. I bought 7 CDs yesterday... So much good stuff IMO. Quite a bit of it is harder to come by these days. Stuff like Tropical Knights (Sweet and slow).

 

Glad you like the source ;).

I'll keep on the lookout.......GG's family loves local music there must be CDs around.

post #2033 of 6309
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Originally Posted by Achmedisdead View Post

If you have a Clip+, and then install the Rockbox firmware, there is an audible difference in the sound because Rockbox fixes  the incorrect  playback speed of the Sansa firmware. So yes, firmware can indeed change the sound, even in the mainstream devices.

 

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Originally Posted by miceblue View Post

Is that documented anywhere? Daft Punk's "One More Time" sounds the same to me on the stock operating system compared to Rockbox, no EQs applied.

Of course this is time dependent as it takes a while to switch from one OS to another, but from memory they sound identical to me with approximate volume matching.

 

I don't know if it makes a difference, but I'm using the Clip Zip instead of the Clip+.

 

It does indeed make a difference, Zip vs Clip+.smile.gif

 

There was quite a stink over the whole "pitch bug" a few years back...enough so that SanDisk made a public statement addressing the issue.... http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-12519_7-10370212-49.html  It's no coincidence that all of the old threads about it in the SanDisk forums (most of which were full of hostility and attacks) were deleted  en masse  after they made that statement, and before the Clip Zip was released.

 

It was actually measured on the Clip+ itself, by someone who shall not be named here *cough*....the level of the pitch error and the fact that Rockbox corrected it.

 

 When I got my first Clip Zip, I still had 2 Clip+, and I set them all up with the same files, replaygain settings, etc. One Clip+ running stock firmware, one Clip+ running Rockbox, and the Clip Zip was stock (there was no Rockbox for it then). By pausing and moving my headphone from one player to the next, it was easy to compare the three of them.....and I established that first day that the pitch was corrected on the Zip, since it played identically to the Rockboxed Clip+.

 

The Clip+ on stock firmware, the pitch is off, but not drastically so.....most people wouldn't know it was off at all. But those of us here have learned to listen more closely, and so compared to the general public most of us would be much more likely to notice the difference. I wouldn't use any of the Sansas without Rockbox anyways, though, so I am covered. wink.gif

post #2034 of 6309
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Originally Posted by Achmedisdead View Post

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Originally Posted by Achmedisdead View Post

If you have a Clip+, and then install the Rockbox firmware, there is an audible difference in the sound because Rockbox fixes  the incorrect  playback speed of the Sansa firmware. So yes, firmware can indeed change the sound, even in the mainstream devices.

 

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Originally Posted by miceblue View Post

Is that documented anywhere? Daft Punk's "One More Time" sounds the same to me on the stock operating system compared to Rockbox, no EQs applied.

Of course this is time dependent as it takes a while to switch from one OS to another, but from memory they sound identical to me with approximate volume matching.

 

I don't know if it makes a difference, but I'm using the Clip Zip instead of the Clip+.

 

It does indeed make a difference, Zip vs Clip+.smile.gif

 

There was quite a stink over the whole "pitch bug" a few years back...enough so that SanDisk made a public statement addressing the issue.... http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-12519_7-10370212-49.html  It's no coincidence that all of the old threads about it in the SanDisk forums (most of which were full of hostility and attacks) were deleted  en masse  after they made that statement, and before the Clip Zip was released.

 

It was actually measured on the Clip+ itself, by someone who shall not be named here *cough*....the level of the pitch error and the fact that Rockbox corrected it.

 

 When I got my first Clip Zip, I still had 2 Clip+, and I set them all up with the same files, replaygain settings, etc. One Clip+ running stock firmware, one Clip+ running Rockbox, and the Clip Zip was stock (there was no Rockbox for it then). By pausing and moving my headphone from one player to the next, it was easy to compare the three of them.....and I established that first day that the pitch was corrected on the Zip, since it played identically to the Rockboxed Clip+.

 

The Clip+ on stock firmware, the pitch is off, but not drastically so.....most people wouldn't know it was off at all. But those of us here have learned to listen more closely, and so compared to the general public most of us would be much more likely to notice the difference. I wouldn't use any of the Sansas without Rockbox anyways, though, so I am covered. wink.gif

Woah, I didn't know that!

I joined Head-Fi 2 years ago and people always readily recommended the Clip+. I only settled for the Clip Zip because it was on-sale at a local Best Buy, hahaha.

 

And ah, Voldemort strikes again. XD

So there actually is data showing evidence that the firmware affects the sound quality. Good to know.

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Just wanted to update that the AK120 does not work on usb 3, unfortunately, no matter how I tried to configure the ports on my Sony Pro11 which only has usb 3 ports.

 

So I bought a Sony T today, which has one usb 2 port and can now confirm that the AK120 works perfectly!

 

MC18 / Fidelizer / AK120 / Mass-kobo

 

 

 

 

post #2036 of 6309

Quick question for anyone with access to both the AK120 and AK100 (recent firmware):

Is the playlist handling the same for the AK120, i.e. still a .pls file which is really a text listing with absolute paths pointing to either of the 3 drive locations (internal, SD1, SD2) for each track?

post #2037 of 6309
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Originally Posted by TheGrumpyOldMan View Post

Quick question for anyone with access to both the AK120 and AK100 (recent firmware):

Is the playlist handling the same for the AK120, i.e. still a .pls file which is really a text listing with absolute paths pointing to either of the 3 drive locations (internal, SD1, SD2) for each track?


Yep. I used the same playlists on both.

post #2038 of 6309
Any chance iRiver can give us usb3.0 support? So that I can use the AK120 on all my computers... Got a laptop that's usb3.0 only and getting unknown device.. Fortunately I have a macbook pro that it works with (on one port..)... It's kinda sad that the device isn't working on a USB3.0 port when this standard has been used on computers since 2008.. That's 5 years! All/most of my other usb2.0 gadgets works on usb3.0 ports as well.. To something to fix guys!
post #2039 of 6309
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Originally Posted by unready View Post

Any chance iRiver can give us usb3.0 support? So that I can use the AK120 on all my computers... Got a laptop that's usb3.0 only and getting unknown device.. Fortunately I have a macbook pro that it works with (on one port..)... It's kinda sad that the device isn't working on a USB3.0 port when this standard has been used on computers since 2008.. That's 5 years! All/most of my other usb2.0 gadgets works on usb3.0 ports as well.. To something to fix guys!

 

This is strange because my PC is USB 3.0 and the AK120 still works on it (Alienware Aurora R4 Stealth Black)....

post #2040 of 6309
My Dell doesn't frown.gif And my MacBook Retina (late 2012) only works on one of the 2 usb ports (other gadgets works on both..).. The Macbook is basically a clean install with nothing on it. My dell laptop runs Win8.


EDIT: It might be a MiniUSB-cable issue of course, but still works on one port and not the other. I'll go buy a new cable later today just in case...
Edited by unready - 7/1/13 at 2:20am
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