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post #196 of 6395
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Originally Posted by sq225917 View Post

I've just come back from Munich where I spent some time with the A&K DAPs, they are nice sounding. But. I went to Munich to meet up with a dac designer, who is going to release a dual-diff ESS 32 bit dac, with class A output stage, hi-res async USB, optical/AES/spdif inputs and clock locked optical transport link, DSD input, rca and xlr out, hi-res OLED display, remote control, full pre-amp functionality and a whole host of sweet interoperability functions with their upcoming amps- they will want 450 euros for this little 10x10" anodised masterpiece.

 

The A&K 120 price point is in la-la land. I don't care how good it sounds, the MSRP is hovering around 10x the cost of manufacture and that is scandalous.

 

That DAP sounds potentially wonderful and for a wonderful price. Still not exactly cheap, but it sounds very much like it may actually justify it's price.

 

Totally, 100% agree with you about AK120 scandalous pricing.

 

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Originally Posted by jamato8 View Post

 

The parts in the AK120 in no way represent the price being asked. It is an insult to those that don't realize how little the parts cost. I am sure it will sell and even if its sound is excellent, that does not warrant the very exaggerated price. I could see 799  for the AK120 and 599 for the AK100. There will be some daps from China that will sound very fine and cost less with the same and better parts quality. It isn't just that China can produce for less money but also a more down to earth hard costs to mark-up ratio. 

 

1) Agree

 

2) Agree

post #197 of 6395
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Originally Posted by djyeo View Post

Right now my complaint is that it looks like at least to me there is no improvement whatsoever for the display. It is still a little sluggish on my unit, very similar to my AK100.

 

Guhh,you mean they still haven't fixed how slow the unit is?  blink.gif

I've got an rwak100 and that's actually my biggest complaint about it.  

 

I've never wished failure on anyone before, but the sheer greed driving this product and the exorbitant profit margin that they expect really makes me hope that this product is an absolute disaster in terms of consumer relations with iRiver.

post #198 of 6395
i would like to know more about that European made DAP and when it will be available for purchase. sounds too good for the price but good things happen sometimes. there is plenty of high end expertise in Europe but sadly not so much for portables.

on ak120 i wait for the opinions of Spkrs, Anak and other chaps who have put their hands on this gadget, lets see what comes out. i just too much love my Rwak so i do not fully discount it but want to know what people are paying for. i am also curious to see new offers from Fiio and iBasso possibly releasing new DAP in smaller body, plus i still expect Vstudio 3rd Annv edition which many users enjoyed a lot.

By the way, i saw a similar rambling going on about new 8xx series Shure universals, should we tip them about ak120 as well? :-D
Edited by Gintaras - 5/11/13 at 2:32pm
post #199 of 6395
Anybody know when this will be released to Australia? I'm itching to go and try it.
post #200 of 6395
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Originally Posted by lin0003 View Post

Anybody know when this will be released....

 

I was told June by several A&K sellers. I presume Australia is on the list, too.

post #201 of 6395

Next month doesn't sound too bad. Looking forward to try them, but I am a bit frustrated that they still haven't fixed the OHM impedence thing. 

post #202 of 6395

Some peeps fall for the trap that every product must be "bottom up price point" pricing. Its obvious that iRiver are aiming at the HM901 (with amp module) which is +- $1300US. If iRiver's marketing department was worth their salt they would have modelled the new price knowing what market share they lose and gain setting it at 1300. 

 

Would have preferred 1ohm and if it needs to be modded to get that and based on some mixed reviews I will wait for more reviews from some more HeadFi'ers.

 

I do like the 192gig capacity though /drools/. Does anybody know what type of line out it has (if any). Is it coaxial?

post #203 of 6395
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Originally Posted by Room40 View Post

Some peeps fall for the trap that every product must be "bottom up price point" pricing. Its obvious that iRiver are aiming at the HM901 (with amp module) which is +- $1300US. If iRiver's marketing department was worth their salt they would have modelled the new price knowing what market share they lose and gain setting it at 1300. 

 

Would have preferred 1ohm and if it needs to be modded to get that and based on some mixed reviews I will wait for more reviews from some more HeadFi'ers.

 

I do like the 192gig capacity though /drools/. Does anybody know what type of line out it has (if any). Is it coaxial?


http://www.hi-fiworld.co.uk/index.php/internet-audio/594-astellakern-ak120-portable-player.html?start=1

 

Digital out via the headphone jack apparently. This review is a little sketchy though.

 

Thats 192 GB if you buy mSD cards on top of the purchase price.

post #204 of 6395
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Originally Posted by Hutnicks View Post

Digital out via the headphone jack apparently. This review is a little sketchy though.

 

Thats 192 GB if you buy mSD cards on top of the purchase price.

Thanks

 

So its the same as the AK100 then which in effect is double amping...

 

....will look at the DX50 

post #205 of 6395
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Originally Posted by Room40 View Post

Thanks

 

So its the same as the AK100 then which in effect is double amping...

 

....will look at the DX50 


I would hope that as it is a digital out it would be LL and not amped.

post #206 of 6395

Just read an impression (over at another forum) of someone who went to the Tokyo Headphone Festival and demo'ed the AK120. His impression is that AK120 is a decent upgrade over AK100, but still noticeably inferior to HDP-R10 (Japan version of DX100) and HM901. The conclusion is that it doesn't worth the price tag. Just an person's opinion so take it as it is.


Edited by ClieOS - 5/12/13 at 2:37am
post #207 of 6395

I still haven't been convinced to shell out almost $1400 to get a DAP which is inferior to the HDP-R10 that I already have. 

post #208 of 6395
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Originally Posted by lin0003 View Post

I still haven't been convinced to shell out almost $1400 to get a DAP which is inferior to the HDP-R10 that I already have. 

 

Same here. And at that price point, iRiver may have overlooked other lifestyle competitors which may offer entertainment of much greater value.

 

At this stage, they may have re-written the new meaning in "diminishing returns" and brought it down to an all new low.

post #209 of 6395

I will admit though, these look absolutely stunning. 

post #210 of 6395

That is what I suspected. A package that small capable of delivering sound quality better than what is currently available on the market is not going to be easy. Dual wolfson chip or not.

 

Still I am looking forward to more impressions before deciding.

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