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Originally Posted by GSARider View Post


Yep and happy you did...! Now going off topic for a min...got one of these delivered today...wink.gif

http://www.edelkrone.com/slider-plus

 

Very nice! I have a couple of sliders, but nothing motorised. 

 

You're building yourself a good range of grip there Nadeem. I'll be interested to hear your feedback once your new Steadicam turns up   I've been messing around with a new mini jib we just bought. Loads of fun  smily_headphones1.gif 

post #1367 of 5998
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Originally Posted by Zaroff View Post

No first impressions yet, but a question: has anybody noticed that there's a short fade-in when a track starts? Pretty annoying. Is there any way to suppress that?

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Originally Posted by GSARider View Post


Yes and no I can't see how to do it. I lose about a sec or two at the start. I figured that I could live with that...before the upgrade to the firmware!

 

Definitely no fade-in or missing second at the start from me on all tracks that I've listened to thus far.  Would have been a deal breaker.  Can't imagine a fade-in or missing seconds say for the third and final movement of Tchaikovsky's Violin Concerto in D major.  Or trarcks like this:

 

 

What time of files/format/codec you guys are experiencing this with?  I had a couple vbr mp3 files with issue of missing 1 sec at the end that I fixed by re-ripping them via a more modern program (FB2K).


Edited by kkcc - 6/14/13 at 4:33pm
post #1368 of 5998
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Originally Posted by MilleFeuille View Post

today im going to jaben near my home,

tried to compare the original firmware 1.00 with the 1.21

 

me and the shopkeeper try both of the device.

and neither of us can spot a different between two firmware (weird, but that what we hear)

 

i only found that the electric bass instrument are fading.

havent try at an amp audio but pretty much the same.

 

i tried with my shure se535 while my friend try with JH5.

well.... maybe its becoz im not a good listener. >.< lol

 

I think the change is more prominent on sensitive IEMs than others.  It is most prominent on the FT334 and XBA4, but much less so on the W4, H200, ER4S, RE400 for me.  I also think it is more of the density of sound that got affected for these sensitive phones than say the FR or EQing of the sound changed.  But the "thinner" sound on these IEMs definitely gave me a perception of less bass, and less warmth, and to a certainly extend less musical and many tracks.

 

The 1.21 firmware also caused my unit to start having SD card mounting issues that I never had before with 1.00.  One or both of the cards would suddenly got unmounted during playback.  This had happened 3 times in the past 36 hours or so.  Restarting the unit fixed this but still an annoyance.  Hope at least it does fix this very issue for others who reported having problem with 1.00.


Edited by kkcc - 6/14/13 at 4:40pm
post #1369 of 5998
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Originally Posted by JmoonAK View Post

I've been trying to get my hands on the 1.00 firmware but looks like I won't be able to receive it until after the weekend. I'll post it up as soon as I receive it.

 

Not that it matters much any more, but firmware version v1.21 has been officially released from Astell&Kern. LINK

 

 

Jmoon thanks for the help.  Definitely looking forward to your good news.

 

Also, on the official download site, I found that the AK120 1.21 firmware was wrongly posted under the Software&Driver section instead of the Firmware section.

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I wonder if the new firmware was tailored to suit the IE800+AK120 pairing? I am sure there will be two future ugprade were the original sound is restored with addition of all the added features and also another one with the current sound signature of the 1.21 with the added feature.

 

As far as I am concerned the pairing with EX-1000 and CK100PRO is as good as it can get. I no longer have any problem with mp3 files and the sound issues I had when paired with O2 for high volumes is gone. 

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Honestly audionewbi I kinda doubt they expected the sound to change like this. Not even ibasso was aware of the discrepancies until people started complaining to them. It seems more like Russian Roulette more than anything :P.
 

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Originally Posted by lee730 View Post

Honestly audionewbi I kinda doubt they expected the sound to change like this. Not even ibasso was aware of the discrepancies until people started complaining to them. It seems more like Russian Roulette more than anything :P.
 

I really hope that is not the case as it really reflects negatively when a company does not know what their changes is actually doing to their devices. More importantly I honestly was expecting that I get better update directly from the official astell & Kern website instead of having members post an update link to an online seller who seems like have a better information in regard of future firmware release and changes.

 

It seems like they do reply to questions and emails however nothing is done officially via their website which in my opinion is not right.


Edited by audionewbi - 6/14/13 at 7:01pm
post #1373 of 5998
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Originally Posted by lee730 View Post

Honestly audionewbi I kinda doubt they expected the sound to change like this. Not even ibasso was aware of the discrepancies until people started complaining to them. .It seems more like Russian Roulette more than anything :P.


I hope iriver would pay more attention to changes in sound if they learned anything from the dx100 complaints... I thought they did a pretty good job with the AK100 firmware releases in maintaining the same sound. Not sure if the Russian pressure forced them to abandon their workflow/processes in maybe rushing out these releases with less testing. Can't say it's all bad though at least I like how it sound with the RE400...
post #1374 of 5998
I have downloaded last night the new firmware 1,21 and let my UM Miracle running the whole night .
To my miracle has SQ improvement
I haven't try with different iems or headphone and haven't try amped

SQ improvement as follow :
High: more detail and open compare 1.00
Mid : more clear and clean , but less body and not so forward compare 1.00
Bass : this improved a lot , more slam , detail, clean and faster , less boomy and more clean bass
Soundstage : is wider because more black background
Separation : is better
IMO
post #1375 of 5998
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Originally Posted by audionewbi View Post

I wonder if the new firmware was tailored to suit the IE800+AK120 pairing? I am sure there will be two future ugprade were the original sound is restored with addition of all the added features and also another one with the current sound signature of the 1.21 with the added feature.

As far as I am concerned the pairing with EX-1000 and CK100PRO is as good as it can get. I no longer have any problem with mp3 files and the sound issues I had when paired with O2 for high volumes is gone.

I had the same suspicion to be honest. I went to demo the IE800 after picking up the AK120 and remember feeling the combo's bass is too loose and bloated. The 1.21 may match IE800 or other dynamic driver models better. Not so much for multi-BAs. I don't like how my 334, w4, and xba4 sound with 1.21, incidentally all are 4BAs.
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Originally Posted by audionewbi View Post

I really hope that is not the case as it really reflects negatively when a company does not know what their changes is actually doing to their devices. More importantly I honestly was expecting that I get better update directly from the official astell & Kern website instead of having members post an update link to an online seller who seems like have a better information in regard of future firmware release and changes.

 

It seems like they do reply to questions and emails however nothing is done officially via their website which in my opinion is not right.

 

 

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Originally Posted by kkcc View Post


I hope iriver would pay more attention to changes in sound if they learned anything from the dx100 complaints... I thought they did a pretty good job with the AK100 firmware releases in maintaining the same sound. Not sure if the Russian pressure forced them to abandon their workflow/processes in maybe rushing out these releases with less testing. Can't say it's all bad though at least I like how it sound with the RE400...

 

The problem is I don't think iRiver is as pedantic as we are being in a niche market for audiophile gear. We are much more likely to catch this stuff than they are (critical listeners) & with gear that is resolving enough to hear such subtleties... But I agree it does reflect poorly to some extent on them and at this price point... Generally no one likes to be a paying guinea pig but that's really how things tend to work in this hobby.... Ultimately we all have the choice (although there's really not too many other choices out there that matches their products "all in one" approach).


Edited by lee730 - 6/14/13 at 7:18pm
post #1377 of 5998
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Originally Posted by kkcc View Post


I hope iriver would pay more attention to changes in sound if they learned anything from the dx100 complaints... I thought they did a pretty good job with the AK100 firmware releases in maintaining the same sound. Not sure if the Russian pressure forced them to abandon their workflow/processes in maybe rushing out these releases with less testing. Can't say it's all bad though at least I like how it sound with the RE400...

One thing is clear to me is the Russian pressure is in fact cause few key changes which is the addition of USB DAC to AK100. My feeling is that they always knew AK100 is can have a USB DAC but they did not wanted to enable and advertise it as it would create a competition with AK120. I am also going to be extremely pessimistic and say that they included the 22 ohm resistor on purpose simply to create a significant sonic difference with AK120.

 

My guess is the inclusion of the USB DAC update of the AK100 was simply out of the pressure of guessing that in near future someone will hack and enable it. I really hope I am wrong on all these rants and for sure I am glad that at least AK120 sounds good and it suits my preference. I am only curious to hear how much of a difference a stock AK120 have against a modded AK100.

 

Iriver has a strong support base, I just hope they realize that and be more kind to us and spend a little more time with their engineers and less time with their corporate sector. I really hope that they are not purposefully handicapping their product. 

post #1378 of 5998
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Originally Posted by audionewbi View Post

One thing is clear to me is the Russian pressure is in fact cause few key changes which is the addition of USB DAC to AK100. My feeling is that they always knew AK100 is can have a USB DAC but they did not wanted to enable and advertise it as it would create a competition with AK120. I am also going to be extremely pessimistic and say that they included the 22 ohm resistor on purpose simply to create a significant sonic difference with AK120.

 

 

Really don't take an insider or engineer to know it should be supportable on AK100.  I was also speculating this a few days ago, it just came faster than we expected and rather than being pessimistic I'm actually happy that iriver is adding the usb dac to the AK100 instead of us relying on third-party firmware.  

post #1379 of 5998
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Originally Posted by kkcc View Post

 

Really don't take an insider or engineer to know it should be supportable on AK100.  I was also speculating this a few days ago, it just came faster than we expected and rather than being pessimistic I'm actually happy that iriver is adding the usb dac to the AK100 instead of us relying on third-party firmware.  

For me USB DAC was a big deal and perhaps it might be an important issue for few others. I asked a long while back if perhaps we can enable AK100 as a USB DAC and I was told we can do that as long as we can feed it via optical in. The idea of USB DAC was never even once mentioned. 

 

Anyways I am for sure happy to see radical improvement on the AK dap. 

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With these 4 sound quality excellent :

Dap : AK 120
Fit ear MH 335 DW
Tralucent Audio 1+2 with UBER cable
UM Miracle
Ultrasone Signature PRO

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Edited by rudi0504 - 6/14/13 at 8:06pm
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