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post #631 of 3042

I know.... wrong thread, but just wanted folks to know how (relatively) meaningless those higher frequencies are....

 

Top note on piano is C8 at 4.2 kHz

 

 

A#10  = 14.9 kHz

B10  =  15.8 kHz

C10 =   16.7 kHz

C#10 = 17.8 kHz

D10  =  18.8 kHz

D#10 = 19.9 kHz

 

(E10 = 21.1 kHz)

 

So if you can't hear over 15 kHz, you're missing (compared to 20 kHz) 5 notes  (12 notes / octave).  Out of a 10 octave theoretical max hearing range.  Plus it's already been pointed out that most important musical instrument harmonics are significantly damped out beyond 10 kHz.

post #632 of 3042

IMO, this headphone warrants it's price. its the first time i've see a real low-pass filter in an iem (or some real substantial innovation in a long time) and i am excited about how they are going to sound! 

 

also, i never heard this much anger over the price of a uiem when the ie800 or k3003 was introduced? why so much hate over sure?

 

oh, and i too can't stand a headphone which doesn't fully amplify overtones. luckily though, a have a graph as my screensaver, so all i have to do is stare at them and, wait, there they are!


Edited by 1FakeAccount1 - 5/13/13 at 5:05am
post #633 of 3042
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Originally Posted by Oof Oink View Post


This just made my day, honestly. Haha!

I don't mean to bring the SE535's (blatantly rolled off) high end discussion back into full circle, except where it relates to the topic at hand (SE846). So I do want to say this much. The ONLY extent to which I've ever personally utilized a FRC is to determine the overall tonality of a particular product. As far as the SE535 is concerned, I've always appreciated its low end response, and the midrange is undoubtedly its claim to fame. But the treble was, is, and always has lacked presence, with respect to the remainder of the frequency response. On the other hand, to those individuals capable of hearing treble presence that isn't there, congratulations!

To stay on topic, one of the many reasons I'm still interested in the SE846 is because I'm hoping that Shure has, to an extent, mitigated the above issue (lack of treble presence). If not, then they're simply not for me. Simple as that.

I have to agree with you on the 535, but the treble roll off doesn't really bother me I only hear it if Im listening for it, not listening in general. From Judes vid the 846 has 3 sort of sleeves which insert into the removable nozzle which alter the treble.

post #634 of 3042
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Originally Posted by BobJS View Post

I know.... wrong thread, but just wanted folks to know how (relatively) meaningless those higher frequencies are....

 

Top note on piano is C8 at 4.2 kHz

 

 

A#10  = 14.9 kHz

B10  =  15.8 kHz

C10 =   16.7 kHz

C#10 = 17.8 kHz

D10  =  18.8 kHz

D#10 = 19.9 kHz

 

(E10 = 21.1 kHz)

 

So if you can't hear over 15 kHz, you're missing (compared to 20 kHz) 5 notes  (12 notes / octave).  Out of a 10 octave theoretical max hearing range.  Plus it's already been pointed out that most important musical instrument harmonics are significantly damped out beyond 10 kHz.

And why response to 20k is over rated. You do want speed, refinement and no big peaks to take emphasis away  from what is up at 15k.

post #635 of 3042

I wonder what's the minimum and maximum impedance of the SE846.

 

If i can't get decent linearity from  3 or 4 ohms Z sources then this it's gonna be more of an obstacle than the price for me.

 

I can put up with a huge hole in my wallet for something that for years and years and will provide me with countless jaw dropping moments.

 

But t can't put up with carrying around an amp to avoid the "TF10 phenomenon" whenever i amp the iem with (e.g). an iPod Classic or another non perfect source (Z less than 2 ohms) in that regard.

 

If linearity can't stay within 1.5 decibels from a 5 ohm source then i'll stick to my ancient (but very driveable) SE420 and UM3x team.

 

FTR i use a portable amp on desktop scenarios but when out and about i viscerally refuse to carry around anything different from my iPhone 4S or iPod Classic.

post #636 of 3042

^^  If you're very interested in the SE846, and it proves to have synergy issues with certain DAPs, you might want to (eventually) consider a 5G iPod Touch.


Edited by music_4321 - 5/13/13 at 6:50am
post #637 of 3042
What is he that stands across from a man after killing two other men within 36 hours? And when asked of his involvement, cannot only lie, but lie well? And not only lie well, but not blink, or twitch, or perform one simple human reaction to the situation? So yes, I think it's fair to ask, what is he?

Neeeevermind, sarcasm detector went on the fritz. I have been educated and hang my head in shame. Thanks for the info music.
Edited by vwinter - 5/13/13 at 8:31am
post #638 of 3042
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Originally Posted by elfary View Post

I wonder what's the minimum and maximum impedance of the SE846.

If i can't get decent linearity from  3 or 4 ohms Z sources then this it's gonna be more of an obstacle than the price for me.

I can put up with a huge hole in my wallet for something that for years and years and will provide me with countless jaw dropping moments.

But t can't put up with carrying around an amp to avoid the "TF10 phenomenon" whenever i amp the iem with (e.g). an iPod Classic or another non perfect source (Z less than 2 ohms) in that regard.

If linearity can't stay within 1.5 decibels from a 5 ohm source then i'll stick to my ancient (but very driveable) SE420 and UM3x team.

FTR i use a portable amp on desktop scenarios but when out and about i viscerally refuse to carry around anything different from my iPhone 4S or iPod Classic.

With a stated input impedance of 9omh that is my only concern is getting the 846. I want to be able to driving it from a 4.5omh output iPhone 5 without the need of an amp.
post #639 of 3042

I want to get it for my clip+ can someone telll me if there is going to an issue with impedance, please?

post #640 of 3042
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Originally Posted by Gorillaz View Post

I want to get it for my clip+ can someone telll me if there is going to an issue with impedance, please?

 

It should work. The clip's OI is 1 ohm, 9 times less than the shure's, so there shouldn't be a damping issue.

post #641 of 3042
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Originally Posted by music_4321 View Post

^^  If you're very interested in the SE846, and it proves to have synergy issues with certain DAPs, you might want to (eventually) consider a 5G iPod Touch.


Yeah that's a great source. Thx for the tip.

For the moment i'll keep my iPhone 4S.

And ftr problem with balanced armatures is not damping but linearity. The 1/8 rule does apply for dynamic transducers.


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post #642 of 3042
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Originally Posted by Gorillaz View Post

I want to get it for my clip+ can someone telll me if there is going to an issue with impedance, please?

Have to wait for some impressions from some higher impedance output sources, the low pass filter and cross over is a new design and may not have a issue.

post #643 of 3042

Thanks, I think this is going to be the ultimate portable combo.

post #644 of 3042
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Have to wait for some impressions from some higher impedance output sources, the low pass filter and cross over is a new design and may not have a issue.

I'm tired of spending money on daps to realize they are not better than my clip, so it does not get any better for me, I will just wait for more rewiews before getting it but so far this iem look promising

post #645 of 3042

My quick impressions from 3 minutes spent with these while at the Tokyo headphone festival. They actually place a 3 minute hourglass in front of you while you are listening.

 

Source: diymoded(Blackgate caps) iPod with a silver LOD and Ortofon MHd-Q7 portable headphone amplifier.

 

The Shures are detailed without anything sorely standing out and bothersome throughout the frequency range, a balanced sound overall with excellent bass impact. They are a big jump up from their previous flagship model, the SE535 and more in the territory of the Fitear MH334 To Go in terms of sound quality. I felt they are also a big jump up from Westone's universal offerings as well.

 

I think Shure has a winner on its hands, especially once the price comes down a bit.

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