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post #331 of 3040

In defence of the absolutely clear plastic shells: you get to see EVERYTHING inside from the new 10 step low pass filter to the branded drivers to the ligatures holding them in place. It looks cool. That said, it really does look a bit like a hearing aid. I'll admit that. But, in the right light (and Shure Japan photographed it in the right light) it looks amazing!

 

As for impressions, I'm working on collating them right now and will update as they are on paper (not real paper, but something that looks like it but doesn't burn). 

post #332 of 3040

What I can't quite get yet is that we already have people slamming Shure, suggesting it's a rip-off etc, etc ad nauseum ....... yet there seem to be only two people so far (in 330 odd posts) who have actually heard them.  And even they have only hinted at their sonic impressions so far.

 

Can we save the irrational judgements until we get some more opinions on the sound at the very least.

 

This IEM could be an absolute game-changer - then where do you put it's worth?

 

I mean - so far it's as if there's been a new flagship car released - and we're complaining about it before we even sit in it, explore the comfort, smoothness of the ride, and most of all the experience of driving it.

 

 

Welcome to Head-Fi ...... blink.gif

post #333 of 3040
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Originally Posted by shigzeo View Post

As for impressions, I'm working on collating them right now and will update as they are on paper (not real paper, but something that looks like it but doesn't burn). 

 

Thanks shigzeo - take your time.  I for one am interested in your views on how these actually sound wink.gif

post #334 of 3040
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Originally Posted by shigzeo View Post

In defence of the absolutely clear plastic shells: you get to see EVERYTHING inside from the new 10 step low pass filter to the branded drivers to the ligatures holding them in place. It looks cool. That said, it really does look a bit like a hearing aid. I'll admit that. But, in the right light (and Shure Japan photographed it in the right light) it looks amazing!

 

As for impressions, I'm working on collating them right now and will update as they are on paper (not real paper, but something that looks like it but doesn't burn). 

 

I'm curious, do the stainless steel plates make the IEM heavy? Very much looking forward to your impressions btw :3

post #335 of 3040
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Originally Posted by Brooko View Post

What I can't quite get yet is that we already have people slamming Shure, suggesting it's a rip-off etc, etc ad nauseum ....... yet there seem to be only two people so far (in 330 odd posts) who have actually heard them.  And even they have only hinted at their sonic impressions so far.

 

Can we save the irrational judgements until we get some more opinions on the sound at the very least.

 

This IEM could be an absolute game-changer - then where do you put it's worth?

 

I mean - so far it's as if there's been a new flagship car released - and we're complaining about it before we even sit in it, explore the comfort, smoothness of the ride, and most of all the experience of driving it.

 

 

Welcome to Head-Fi ...... blink.gif

 

It's mostly jealousy and frustration because it is out of many people's budgets.  I'm sure it sounds awesome and I would love to have it but I just am not in a position to plunk down $1000.  FORTUNATELY, I am very happy with SE535.  Amped with the Westone star tips (laugh if you will) I find little to nothing wrong or that I would change.  Maybe a tad more sub bass...but not for a $600 premium.

 

Seriously...for anyone that has the SE535...buy the Westone Star tips.  Immediate 20% improvement in clarity, treble and resolution which gets you, perhaps, 1/2 way in between the SE535 with foam olives and the SE846.  Been around here a while and among 40 to 50 IEM buying transactions, this last one is one to remember.  This SE535+amp+star tips combo is the ONLY thing that has made me put my JH5 away.  TF10, UM3X, W3, W4, UE900....none surpassed the JH5 until now.

 

As said in a previous post, with a custom there is a very absolute measurable constant sound sig.  With a universal it's all over the map depending on fit and material and ear anatomy.

 

You are a fool if you don't try the star tips with your Shure, Westone or Ety IEM.  It closes so many gaps (no pun intended) in sound variation due to fit. Might just be the single factor to get you over the hump.


Edited by Spyro - 5/10/13 at 5:25pm
post #336 of 3040
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Originally Posted by a_recording View Post

 

I'm curious, do the stainless steel plates make the IEM heavy? Very much looking forward to your impressions btw :3

No, but they make they presentation brighter and they will never rust.smile.gif

 

No, roughly same weight as cold rolled steel.  Should not matter.

post #337 of 3040
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Originally Posted by sfoclt View Post

 

No one is forcing you to buy anything.  I wish you econtards would quit derailing the thread with crap posts.


Here's what we know about this:

 

1) Basic tech specs

2) The price

 

It's not derailing to discuss one of the very few things we know so far.  Price is absolutely a huge element of this IEM, and it's not accidental... it was meant to be attention grabbing.

post #338 of 3040

I am really struggling to understand why people are so fixated on the price of the Shure so much. Somebody mentioned high start up costs. No, this is not the case as Shure is already an incumbent and have all the necessary capital and disposable labour to create IEMs without incurring high costs of production.  Simply, the market strategist is being smart and price discriminating. The losses incurred from forgone purchases due to a high price tag is readily made up by the revenue from sales. Shure is a very well known brand world-wide with a lot of retail presence, and so for the unwary consumer with enough disposable income, he/she would be inclined to purchase an IEM from a renowned brand with the highest price tag as they will assume that a higher price tag correlates to the best SQ. 

Furthermore, for high-end audio products, demand tends to be inelastic, so there is more reason to put up the prices. All I am concerned about now is that other well established companies will start following suit as Shure has made the first move.


Edited by uchihaitachi - 5/10/13 at 5:46pm
post #339 of 3040
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Originally Posted by uchihaitachi View Post

I am really struggling to understand why people are so fixated on the price of the Shure so much. Somebody mentioned high start up costs. No, this is not the case as Shure is already an incumbent and have all the necessary capital and disposable labour to create IEMs without incurring much costs of production.  Simply, the market strategist is being smart and price discriminating. The losses incurred from forgone purchases due to a high price tag is readily made up by the revenue from sales. Shure is a very well known brand world-wide with a lot of retail presence, and so for the unwary consumer with enough disposable income, he/she would be inclined to purchase an IEM from a renowned brand with the highest price tag as they will assume that a higher price tag correlates to the best SQ. 

Furthermore, for high-end audio products, demand tends to be inelastic, so there is more reason to put up the prices. All I am concerned about now is that other well established companies will start following suit as Shure has made the first move.

 

That's just not true.  As said earlier, the IEM market represents perhaps only 5-10% of Shure's total sales.  If that division struggles or is not profitable you don't take money from other sectors to support it...you drop the product line or fire people....it's not profitable, period!  [ unlike the government that just prints up more money to cover the F-ups]  Simple math.  There could certainly be many necks on the line that this project deems profitable.  Time will tell.  Yes, it's a big gamble coming out at $1,000.


Edited by Spyro - 5/10/13 at 5:31pm
post #340 of 3040
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Originally Posted by Spyro View Post

 

That's just not true.  As said earlier, the IEM market represents perhaps only 5-10% of Shure's total sales.  If that division struggles or is not profitable you don't take money from other sectors to support it...you drop the product line....it's not profitable, period!  Simple math.  There could certainly be many necks on the line that this project deems profitable.

 

Have you seen the balance sheet of Shure? The IEM division maybe small relative to the rest of the company. But I am more than sure that the returns from the IEM division are huge. Don't be naive. These companies don't take 'random gambles'. They will have professional market strategists with huge amounts of market data running simulations and forecast models.  I had an internship in the past at Harman Kardon, with the finance/market strategy department. They know EXACTLY what the market conditions are with small margins for error. It's simple economics and quantitative statistics.


Edited by uchihaitachi - 5/10/13 at 5:48pm
post #341 of 3040
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Originally Posted by Spyro View Post

 

It's mostly jealousy and frustration because it is out of many people's budgets.  I'm sure it sounds awesome and I would love to have it but I just am not in a position to plunk down $1000.  FORTUNATELY, I am very happy with SE535.  Amped with the Westone star tips (laugh if you will) I find little to nothing wrong or that I would change.  Maybe a tad more sub bass...but not for a $600 premium.

 

 

Again, you miss the point. 

 

It's not the price of this specific product, rather it's the principle. It's the fact that a major company like Shure has opted into the me-too $1K iem pricing philosophy, which is usually reserved for very niche items or small companies starting off...like Ocharaku or FitEar. 

 

An analogy:

 

Part of a mobster's business is loaning money, at a somewhat high interest rate. Up to this point everyone has paid back on time. He usually lends out amounts ranging from $500 to $5,000. One day, a man borrows just $50 from him. When the time of repayment comes around, the man is nowhere to be found. Upon a minor investigation, the mobster finds out that his debtor has been telling folks that he got away with ripping him off.

 

The mobster has two options here:

 

1) Write off the minor sum of $50 and forget about the issue, or

 

2) Curb stomp the debtor as an example to others who may try to follow his foot steps, thus preventing his business from collapsing.

 

Ethics 101, ladies and gents.

post #342 of 3040
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Originally Posted by uchihaitachi View Post

 

Have you seen the balance sheet of Shure? The IEM division maybe small relative to the rest of the company. But I am more than sure that the returns from the IEM division are huge. Don't be naive. These companies don't take 'random gambles'. They will have professional market strategists with huge amounts of market data running simulations and forecast models.  I had an internship in the past at Harman Kardon, with the finance/market strategy department. They know EXACTLY what the market conditions are with small margins for error. It's simple economics and quantitative statistics.


Tech markets are filled with high-priced boondoggles (Sony seems to make an annual tradition of it).  I'm not saying this is one, or that Shure doesn't know what they're doing with it, but nobody's infallible.

post #343 of 3040

Shures main income is from microphones and studio stuff, they've been doing it since 1940's or 1950's, Sennheisser were there back then but moved into headphones and less microphones.

post #344 of 3040
Uchitaihachi- yes, i have visited their HQ in Niles I'll. A HUGE 6 story building by about 300 ft long and wide. What you are saying isn't relevant. If the division fails it will go under. The previous post made it sound like " Shure is a big company and they can fund a flailing division cause they have money. Once you get out of school and into the real world you will see you how cut throat and competitive it is with profit and loss within divisions of companies.
Edited by Spyro - 5/10/13 at 6:27pm
post #345 of 3040
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Originally Posted by eke2k6 View Post
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Sorry - what has principle or ethics got to do with this at all?

 

Shure is selling a commercial product.  If they believe (and they obviously do - assuming they have put a lot of research into it) that their product is worth X amount (ie has the price:performance ratio to justify the purchase), then where does ethics or principle come into it?

 

We still have only 2 brief impressions from people who have tried the product.  How can anyone here make sweeping statements on ethics, principle, value or anything else - until:

[a] there are enough subjective impressions to suggest a trend OR

[b] they have heard the IEMs themselves?

 

Oh - and for the people who are complaining about eventual price - and using a "cost plus" mentality to make the calculation - IMO you really have no idea on commercial marketing (I work for an international company in sales and marketing).  People will pay what they perceive the product is worth.  Shure will have made some serious decisions based on this.  Eventual sales data over time will tell you whether they calculated correctly.

 

I personally will wait for impressions - and then try to make an informed decision.  If my perception is that the quality matches the price point, and I can afford them - I'll buy them.  If not - I won't.


Edited by Brooko - 5/10/13 at 6:23pm
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