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post #2686 of 3042

Nice! I personally think 846 needs those.  I don't think they provided proper tips, yes there are varieties, but it's the same tips from se530.  It's sad when you have to resort to Westone Star tips.  $1k headphones should provide proper tips.

post #2687 of 3042

The problem with customs for universals is they change the distance to the ear drum.  Meaning the frequency response changes.  Generally speaking it takes a linear treble and pulls it up and down.  This is not the 846 but just for a visual.

 

post #2688 of 3042
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Is the material on those spongy and compressible like the comply tips? If not, how can it achieve the same isolation as comply tips (whose sponginess allows them to fill every nook and cranny).
The material is not spongy, it's like silicon. You archive the isolation cos it's made from a impression of your ears. So you need to get ear impression from an audiologist first.
post #2689 of 3042
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Originally Posted by SilverEars View Post
 

It's sad when you have to resort to Westone Star tips.  $1k headphones should provide proper tips.

 

That presumes you like the Star tips :P  Comply or nothing for me.

post #2690 of 3042
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The problem with customs for universals is they change the distance to the ear drum.  Meaning the frequency response changes.  Generally speaking it takes a linear treble and pulls it up and down.  This is not the 846 but just for a visual.


What you says it's a fact. But I learn from Sensaphonics cos there was a document inside my SE535 where they explain an agreement between Shure and Sensaphonics to offer the custom tips so I suppose that they made the tips to give optimal FR cos Shure approved it. Also I ask them to do it to other iems and they say "definitely no cos we haven't test it". In my case I always felt that the feq response was more linear with the custom tips with the SE535. Sensaphonics are CIEM manufacturers pioneers... They know the business... When I got my appointment with the audiologist first thing ask me my instrument and position in the scenario...
Edited by fermelom - 3/6/14 at 3:19pm
post #2691 of 3042

Etymotic does the same thing.  And imagine that the customs make it worse :P

post #2692 of 3042

Two questions arise based on recent discussions:

 

1.  Does the custom bore attenuate the sound?

 

2. Does customs has to be tuned because of the way the sound tubing is done?  Questing since FR is changed on the Etys.


Edited by SilverEars - 3/6/14 at 3:11pm
post #2693 of 3042
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Two questions arise based on recent discussions:

1.  Does the custom bore attenuate the sound?

2. Does customs has to be tuned because of the way the sound tubing is done?  Questing since FR is changed on the Etys.
Based on my experience with Sensaphonics, I just can tell that for me with the custom tips I got the best sound and isolation than with any other tips provided by Shure. I also tried to use some ear protection (also custom made by Sensaphonics) with the RE600 instead the filter, cos its fits perfectly, but the sound was horrible. So, again, I suppose that the tips for the Shure's are perfectly tuned.
post #2694 of 3042

I also have custom sleeves for my 846's, and I will never go back to universal tips ever again.  The only thing I noticed that changed on mine was bass seemed to increase, due to the much better isolation of the custom sleeves.

post #2695 of 3042
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Sensaphonics don't "reshape" iems. What they offer me is a variation of their custom tips that doesn't appear in their website, they offer it cos the SE846 is heavier than the rest of the SE series. No extra cost. Just contact them first. And you can still change the filters, of course.

Thank you very much for sharing the details and the picture!

 

When I tested the SE846 I was very impressed, coming from the SE535 I noticed huge improvements in bass (of course) but also the mids and the high frequencies are much improved, the music sounds like "music" (what an amazing thing to say, many HP don't sound like music) with optimal control along the frequency range. I used the white filters (to reduce the bass a bit and increase the HF as this is a tonality i like) and the performance was great.

 

The only reasons I did not buy the SE846 on the spot after 15 min testing  is because (i) it was uncomfortable with the wire pressing behind the ear and the tips forced inside ear channel and (2) because after all, a $1,000 IEM still doesn't have better SQ than a good $300-$500 full headphone (even portables). Indeed, after testing at the store the SE846 and the K3003i, out of curiosity I picked up a demo Beyer T70p to compare and I was so blown away by the T70p being better than the best IEMs that I bought the T70p on the spot. And I wanted to buy a IEM!!

 

Now I have to decide on the IEM to buy!

 

But if I can make the shire SE846 feel comfortable it will become my traveling IEM!

post #2696 of 3042

yes.  To me, maybe not to others, the flaw with the 836(or worse the 535) is the too much emphasis on mids.  I think it's too forward and creates distortion and overall makes the sound not natural, but sounds tinny coming out of a mike.


Edited by SilverEars - 3/6/14 at 10:37pm
post #2697 of 3042
The mid of Se 535 and 846 is what makes them sell like hotcakes. The SE535 has ways been praise for that.if one find the mid too much, I suggest looking into tralucent 1p2 as it has alittle u shape frequency, not too much lower treble and great mid bass.
post #2698 of 3042

I'm not looking for U or too less of mids.  Mids can be forward with quality.  The problem with Shures is that they push it forward too much to the point where I can notice distortions.  As you push some frequencies more forward than others, it can distort the forwarded bands.  They should work on clarity if they are going to push the mids far.  I need more clarity dammit!  Or is it tightness of the mids??

 

My next target is JHA see if it meets my exceptions of clarity clarity clarity, and low distortions.


Edited by SilverEars - 3/6/14 at 10:59pm
post #2699 of 3042
Care to describe a little about the mid distortion? I may have missed that.
Edited by Audiowood - 3/7/14 at 1:19am
post #2700 of 3042
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Originally Posted by SilverEars View Post

I'm not looking for U or too less of mids.  Mids can be forward with quality.  The problem with Shures is that they push it forward too much to the point where I can notice distortions.  As you push some frequencies more forward than others, it can distort the forwarded bands.  They should work on clarity if they are going to push the mids far.  I need more clarity dammit!  Or is it tightness of the mids??

My next target is JHA see if it meets my exceptions of clarity clarity clarity, and low distortions.
Sounds like your problems are the recordings you play, likely recordings with dynamic compression. Shure's FR is very linear and their clarity impressive.
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