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post #2461 of 3042
JH Roxanne's are above your budget, but they are the CIEMs that most interest me at this point
post #2462 of 3042

I've looked at Unique Melody also, but not worth the 15-20 week wait time...

post #2463 of 3042
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Originally Posted by Roscoeiii View Post

JH Roxanne's are above your budget, but they are the CIEMs that most interest me at this point

 

The Roxanne is an IEM that interests me as well, but not the custom version. I never bought into the “pass the second bend” notion. Stereo speakers and full size headphones manage to sound good without being inserted "pass the point of a universal tip". However, from a sealing perspective a custom fit is theoretically foolproof (if molded correctly).

 

Since joining this forum, I became curious mostly about the SE5 (a CIEM unavailable to me in the U.S.), but also the Merlin and JH16. My problem with customs was never the cost but my unwillingness to support the business model of me (as the customer) absorbing all the risk (and the instant loss of value).

 

Now that I own the 846, I'm not concerned with other IEMs much more than giving a listen to the Roxanne UF (because of what was said by Jude and another member who stated it didn't sound like an IEM, even his JH13 FP sounded like an IEM).  

 

My main concern now is finding the right source for my 846. I want a source that makes the 846 sound like a (low volume—on the go) version of the Galaxy S1/ E5c combo (with that large sound and soundstage).

post #2464 of 3042
Truck my friend,

I have said it before you might what to look into an amplifier. I honestly have a soundstage that is at least 4 inches outside my ears on each side and a depth that is incredible (real 3D holographic). To me, the key is a balanced amp and turning down the source by at about 30-40% and let the amp carry the load and open up the soundstage.
post #2465 of 3042

I am definitely heading into that "improve the source" direction, and even a budget amp/dac like FiiO E18 was such a step up from the Note 3 (that I know you own) or the Dragonfly (too) in terms of soundstage that down the line I am eyeing in the direction of the balanced amp (and the F-35 Lightning looks like just the right thing). 

 

With the FiiO E18 I have volume at 20-30% (low gain) and it's just enough, I have found the soundstage is soooo much better (can't even imagine Spook76 setup :P) and the sound is just fuller, more detailed and more "intimate". Given the price and the fact it pairs well with the Note 3, worth giving a shot just to realize how an amp (E18 also has a quite better DAC than Note3 IMHO) can really make those IEMs sing better!

 

The only downside on the go is the clumsiness of the setup, that might push me to also get a high end standalone player like Colorfly C4 Pro, Astell&Kern or Sony ZX1. Curious about the HiFiMAN HM-901 with the IEM Amplifier card too...


Edited by davidmolliere - 1/25/14 at 8:03pm
post #2466 of 3042

I appreciate the advice, Spook. I've taken serious consideration to your idea of a balanced amp and cables. I really want a one piece unit. I'm holding out hope that software or some combo of hardware/software (in one device) will do the trick. But if all else fails.....

 

Thank you as well, David. I'm glad you are enjoying the FiiO E18. Meanwhile, I'm boxing up the X3 to ship back....I may pick up the HM-802 with IEM card.

post #2467 of 3042
Truck,

Why the return of the Fiio X3, does it not pair well with the 846?
post #2468 of 3042

The FiiO X3 seems like a fine bargain player that pairs well with my AKG Q701 full sized headphones, but not the 846 (IMHO). Right now, I'm just trying to find software solution for the Note 3 because I don't want an aggressive sound. I like it lite and mild, just larger and wider.

post #2469 of 3042
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Originally Posted by truckdriver View Post
 

The FiiO X3 seems like a fine bargain player that pairs well with my AKG Q701 full sized headphones, but not the 846 (IMHO). Right now, I'm just trying to find software solution for the Note 3 because I don't want an aggressive sound. I like it lite and mild, just larger and wider.

 

Hmmm what you just described is exactly how I feel about the difference between Note 3 and FiiO E18, but the clumsiness on the go is not really satisfying :-\

 

I thought the X3 had that type of sound sig, warmer than E18, soundstage a little narrower from what I have read.

post #2470 of 3042
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Originally Posted by davidmolliere View Post
 

 

Hmmm what you just described is exactly how I feel about the difference between Note 3 and FiiO E18, but the clumsiness on the go is not really satisfying :-\

 

I thought the X3 had that type of sound sig, warmer than E18, soundstage a little narrower from what I have read.

 

Unfortunately, the Note 3 is much like my other Android phones in that I have to constantly clear the RAM to get better sound out of Poweramp. I haven't resorted to custom roms yet to prevent background processes from screwing with the audio.

 

It seems to me an earphone with a 9 Ω impedance doesn't really require the same amp designed to power larger headphones. Even at low gain, the X3 seems to drive certain areas of the spectrum too aggressively (for me). The sub-bass resonance is left out of the picture. The X3 lacks the nuanced adjustments I like to use to balance things out (and by that, I mean deep sub-bass and relatively flat across the rest of the spectrum). The +/- 10 db at 100 Hz does not cut it for me.

 

My other amps (Headstage Arrow 4G, FiiO E11, and the very old Pa2V2) I'm sure won't help matters either. I've only connected the Arrow 4G to the 846. I won't risk it with the other old amps.

post #2471 of 3042
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Originally Posted by truckdriver View Post
 

 

Unfortunately, the Note 3 is much like my other Android phones in that I have to constantly clear the RAM to get better sound out of Poweramp. I haven't resorted to custom roms yet to prevent background processes from screwing with the audio.

Out of curiosity, how does programs stored in RAM affect audio quality?  As an Android user myself, I never really noticed any sound difference over use.  Maybe it's because I only use Nexus devices so stock Android handles RAM processes differently from TouchWiz?  

post #2472 of 3042
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Originally Posted by e30ernest View Post
 

Out of curiosity, how does programs stored in RAM affect audio quality?  As an Android user myself, I never really noticed any sound difference over use.  Maybe it's because I only use Nexus devices so stock Android handles RAM processes differently from TouchWiz?  

 

I don't know. You may have answered your own question. What I've noticed is that clearing the RAM closes 40 or more applications and the audio tends to sound a little less congested and clear immediately afterward. I also noticed after a family member gave me their Galaxy S2 (meaning I have two of the same phone), that different roms yield a slightly different sound using the same software player. So again, I don't know.

post #2473 of 3042

Pardon the double posting, but I just installed Viper4Android (successfully) on one of my Galaxy S2 phones. I say successfully because I had tried on a number of occasions and like other sound shaping apps it simply crashed or failed to have any effect even though I could work the controls. This is early going (as I've barely scratched the surface with this app) but this may (at least temporarily) solve my source issue. 

 

I'm not sure yet if I'll root the Note 3 to add Viper4Android. It may be pushing the old S2 hard (as it requires at least dual-core processing for "peak clarity").

 

I was experimenting first with the 535 (as the guinea pig). The 535 and Maven Player don't usually sound good together (like the E5c on the S1), but with Viper in the background, it was good (almost as insane in soundstage as well). Unfortunately, the Maven Player and the 846 are still not going to work, but Poweramp is working good so far with the S2/846 combo.

 

I have to admit that I'm a little excited. The soundstage is not great (like the E5c), but it hardly matters because it's so tactile, clear, and the bass is insane (even though the bass knobs are set kinda low (with plenty of headroom to go). This is like my old 846. Maybe my problem all along was that something changed about the Note 3. Perhaps all that Samsung bloatware somehow mess things up.. I think I'll take the 64gb SD card out of the Note 3 and put it back in my old S2.

 

Better sound for zero dollars, I like it.:atsmile: 


Edited by truckdriver - 1/27/14 at 1:37pm
post #2474 of 3042

Yeah, I also don't have any problems whatsoever with Android 4.3 on a Galaxy Note 2, using Power Amp, FLAC, digital out to a RSA Predator. I don't get all the problems some people say they're having. Congested audio from too much RAM being used? Mine sounds killer without having to do much of anything except plug it in and hit play. I think about buying a dedicated killer portable source... like the new AK240. But then I have to ask myself why? The Note 2 sounds as good as I've heard, plus I get a much better screen, and can watch vids with killer sound if I want. I can't imagine the AK240 being that much better, if any, at digital playback quality. And I'm pretty sure its amp is no Ray Samuels Audio.

post #2475 of 3042
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Originally Posted by javahut View Post

Yeah, I also don't have any problems whatsoever with Android 4.3 on a Galaxy Note 2, using Power Amp, FLAC, digital out to a RSA Predator. I don't get all the problems some people say they're having. Congested audio from too much RAM being used? Mine sounds killer without having to do much of anything except plug it in and hit play. I think about buying a dedicated killer portable source... like the new AK240. But then I have to ask myself why? The Note 2 sounds as good as I've heard, plus I get a much better screen, and can watch vids with killer sound if I want. I can't imagine the AK240 being that much better, if any, at digital playback quality. And I'm pretty sure its amp is no Ray Samuels Audio.

I agree. I prefer my HTC One screen and portable DAC/Amp combo, however the only reason I would consider the AK, ZX1 or HifiMan players is because I get interference when my phone is directly attached to my portable DAC/amp. The problem goes away if I keep them 6-10" apart.
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