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post #2026 of 3180
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Perhaps this is the case for you, but I it sound a bit like hyperbole.

To quote Tyll Hertsens who is very sensitive to sibilance:

"They're a tad bright for me (which means they're probably just right for most), but are not harsh sounding. (I liked them WAY more then the AKG K3003.)"

 

As someone who listened to both I found the K3003 harsher for sure.

 

Since Mr Tyll Hertsens "liked [the IE800] WAY more then the AKG K3003" AND Mr Sweden seems to agree with Tyll, I guess it's time for me to get rid of my AKGs and buy another pair of Senns.

 

Or perhaps I should wait until Mr Hertens declares the SE846 WAY better than the Senns...

post #2027 of 3180

I remember the 846s more being smooth and the K3003s being awfully harsh. Now I have friends who own both, I'll see later if I can't compare them at some point. However with all the various tuning options it will be tedious.

 

I can't help wondering, given how dramatically my JH-13s have changed from new (eg: going from a serious lack of bass to having quite a bit) if these wont change with use too.

post #2028 of 3180
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Originally Posted by Currawong View Post

I remember the 846s more being smooth and the K3003s being awfully harsh. Now I have friends who own both, I'll see later if I can't compare them at some point. However with all the various tuning options it will be tedious.

 

I can't help wondering, given how dramatically my JH-13s have changed from new (eg: going from a serious lack of bass to having quite a bit) if these wont change with use too.

 

If you have friends who own the K3003s, they're certainly not audiophiles.

post #2029 of 3180

We prefer and value different things as well as hearing slightly different. It's not a big deal. That's why you can't take anyone's opinion over your own ears.

Your ironic K3003 crusade is a bit amusing though.

post #2030 of 3180
Have to agree with the few posts abv, the K3003 is harsh sounding and the IE800 has too much sibliance. The proprietary ear tips on the IE800 is also retarded. The K3003 sounds like there's too much things coming at you making you overwhelmed.

I can imagine Tyll preferring the 846 to both the K3003 and the IE800.
post #2031 of 3180
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We prefer and value different things as well as hearing slightly different. It's not a big deal. That's why you can't take anyone's opinion over your own ears.

 

How come that never occurred to me?

 

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Your ironic K3003 crusade is a bit amusing though.

 

Why, thank you, but I was hoping it'd be more than "a bit"...

 

Recently, someone sent me a PM, and one of the comments I made was the following: "...but if you want to have a modicum of respect in certain audio circles, stay away from the K3003". I was not joking when I said that.

 

Just like it seems to be mandatory to bash Apple, or Apple products, Bose, Beats, etc., it seems mandatory in certain audiophile circles to trash the K3003s.

 

It seems that after all this time, it is not only our grumpy old sparrow who feels the K3003s have been unfairly criticised, and quite frankly downright maligned—even before they were released—as even the odd seasoned Head-fier has noticed some kind of K3003 bashing trend / pattern. Plenty of parroting, too, btw.

 

That same ageing sparrow is well aware the K3003s are not for everyone—he's been around long enough to know there is no one single phone that will please everyone—,but he also knows quite well how many people are very easily influenced by what some people say / claim. Had I not tried the K3003s myself and gone by what some audiophile 'authorities' have said, I would never have purchased the AKGs. The K3003 is the TOTL ($1,000+) universal IEM many seem to love to hate, even without having heard it (!).

 

BUT, I'm very happy to report that those audio 'authorities' and I seem to appreciate the HD800s. Funnily enough, I have found both HD800 & K3003s to sound very, very alike (the IE800s do not sound like the HD800s at all).

 

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At some point I will no doubt be trying the SE846s, but currently I'm quite happy with my K3003 & FitEar Parterre (and other IEMs in my possession).

post #2032 of 3180
the k3003 is the worst earphone i've heard. the se846 is the best earphone i haven't heard.
post #2033 of 3180
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the k3003 is the worst earphone i've heard. the se846 is the best earphone i haven't heard.

I can comprehend your first statement but how can you determine the se846 is the best if you haven't heard it yet? Take others opinion with a grain of salt, whatever we say isn't as important as what you yourself hear.
post #2034 of 3180
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I can comprehend your first statement but how can you determine the se846 is the best if you haven't heard it yet? Take others opinion with a grain of salt, whatever we say isn't as important as what you yourself hear.

 

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post #2035 of 3180
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Originally Posted by music_4321 View Post

 

How come that never occurred to me?

 

 

Why, thank you, but I was hoping it'd be more than "a bit"...

 

Recently, someone sent me a PM, and one of the comments I made was the following: "...but if you want to have a modicum of respect in certain audio circles, stay away from the K3003". I was not joking when I said that.

 

Just like it seems to be mandatory to bash Apple, or Apple products, Bose, Beats, etc., it seems mandatory in certain audiophile circles to trash the K3003s.

 

It seems that after all this time, it is not only our grumpy old sparrow who feels the K3003s have been unfairly criticised, and quite frankly downright maligned—even before they were released—as even the odd seasoned Head-fier has noticed some kind of K3003 bashing trend / pattern. Plenty of parroting, too, btw.

 

That same ageing sparrow is well aware the K3003s are not for everyone—he's been around long enough to know there is no one single phone that will please everyone—,but he also knows quite well how many people are very easily influenced by what some people say / claim. Had I not tried the K3003s myself and gone by what some audiophile 'authorities' have said, I would never have purchased the AKGs. The K3003 is the TOTL ($1,000+) universal IEM many seem to love to hate, even without having heard it (!).

 

BUT, I'm very happy to report that those audio 'authorities' and I seem to appreciate the HD800s. Funnily enough, I have found both HD800 & K3003s to sound very, very alike (the IE800s do not sound like the HD800s at all).

 

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At some point I will no doubt be trying the SE846s, but currently I'm quite happy with my K3003 & FitEar Parterre (and other IEMs in my possession).

 

I don't quite get it... how does this add to the discussion of the SE846s?

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How come that never occurred to me?


Why, thank you, but I was hoping it'd be more than "a bit"...

Recently, someone sent me a PM, and one of the comments I made was the following: "...but if you want to have a modicum of respect in certain audio circles, stay away from the K3003". I was not joking when I said that.

Just like it seems to be mandatory to bash Apple, or Apple products, Bose, Beats, etc., it seems mandatory in certain audiophile circles to trash the K3003s.

It seems that after all this time, it is not only our grumpy old sparrow who feels the K3003s have been unfairly criticised, and quite frankly downright maligned—even before they were released—as even the odd seasoned Head-fier has noticed some kind of K3003 bashing trend / pattern. Plenty of parroting, too, btw.

That same ageing sparrow is well aware the K3003s are not for everyone—he's been around long enough to know there is no one single phone that will please everyone—,but he also knows quite well how many people are very easily influenced by what some people say / claim. Had I not tried the K3003s myself and gone by what some audiophile 'authorities' have said, I would never have purchased the AKGs. The K3003 is the TOTL ($1,000+) universal IEM many seem to love to hate, even without having heard it (!).

BUT, I'm very happy to report that those audio 'authorities' and I seem to appreciate the HD800s. Funnily enough, I have found both HD800

I don't quite get it... how does this add to the discussion of the SE846s?

Beats me to. Hence my post asking what's his point.
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music_4321 missed the entire drama of the HD-800s, then HD-700s, as well as the LCD-2s, which required two thread restarts to keep sane, and doesn't realise that it is normal to find a pair of headphones here that one likes a lot, but a lot of people think is awful.

 

I think it is down to which flaws in which IEM you can tolerate the most. Personally I wouldn't mind a custom 1plus2 Freqphase (not using tubes) with Skuld cable, but that's me. 

 

Now we need more people with the 846 to talk and shut the rest of us up. ;)

post #2038 of 3180
Ok. Well technically this is a launch thread so I guess you don't have to talk too much about the phones themselves. This is why I started another appreciation thread. 95% of this thread has nothing to do with the phones themselves since they weren't available at the time..
post #2039 of 3180
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Originally Posted by jelt2359 View Post

Ok. Well technically this is a launch thread so I guess you don't have to talk too much about the phones themselves. This is why I started another appreciation thread. 95% of this thread has nothing to do with the phones themselves since they weren't available at the time..

 

Well, there is the 5% of the thread, maybe the admin or moderator wants to lock this thread up and move us all to the appreciation thread? Like what jelt say, this is a launch thread, with 130 pages of BS, with maybe 6 pages of useful information and impressions.

post #2040 of 3180
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Originally Posted by jelt2359 View Post

 

I don't quite get it... how does this add to the discussion of the SE846s?

 

People are often interested in competing products, and particularly getting the views of more experienced people—people who hopefully will have owned those IEMs or have spent a decent amount of time with them (at least a few days) and who aren't very biased. Not everyone lives in Singapore / Hong Kong (and a couple other places) where people can easily audition many IEMs, so many people around the world have to rely on what they see written in these forums threads.

 

Unfortunately, many people who speak about phones just spent a few minutes in a shop with them (not always in a quiet environment), listened to a few of their favourite tracks and then come and post their impressions. They often sound as if they really know the IEMs they're discussing (this goes both ways, the raving and the trashing) and rarely speak of the gear they used, the music they tested and the amount of time auditioning the IEMs and the conditions under said audition. Add to that not being able to try different tips...

 

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Beats me to. Hence my post asking what's his point.

 

Oh, dear. I already told you the point of that post was: I like quiet evenings, I'm an Apple fanboy, and I think the HD800s are not very good.

 

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Originally Posted by Currawong View Post

music_4321 missed the entire drama of the HD-800s, then HD-700s, as well as the LCD-2s, which required two thread restarts to keep sane, and doesn't realise that it is normal to find a pair of headphones here that one likes a lot, but a lot of people think is awful.

 

I think it is down to which flaws in which IEM you can tolerate the most. Personally I wouldn't mind a custom 1plus2 Freqphase (not using tubes) with Skuld cable, but that's me. 

 

Now we need more people with the 846 to talk and shut the rest of us up. ;)

 

I did follow some of the HD800 drama; I know the HD700s are not the most popular cans; never followed closely any of the LCD threads, but know enough to know there are different models (LCD-1, 2 & 3) and different variations within each model (at least for the LCD-1 & 2) and that some people think the LCDs are the best cans ever and are indeed considered one of the best out there.

Like I said, I'm well aware of the fact some people will like/love one phone and others will dislike/hate it. I myself thought the Earsonics SM3, an IEM many seemed to love originally, was rubbish, I felt the SE530 & SE355 were not very good (I preferred the former's sonics), didn't think much of the CK10 (an IEM many seemed to love), and felt the Yamaha EPH-100 was quite overrated, so I have no issues when people genuinely dislike a phone I do or love a phone I don't. BUT, I'll say this again: what's happened in the case of the K3003—even before it was released—is a different story and not just a simple / typical case of some liking it and others genuinely disliking it. I'll leave it at that because this is not the place to discuss these issues further.

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