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post #1621 of 3042
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Originally Posted by Ultrazino View Post

I already did. Translated by me, with link to source and the name of Shure's employee.
You can search it yourself if you've missed it.

I looked through the past three months of your posts Ultra and I cannot find anything where you name the Shure employee or what he or she is supposed to have said. Please provide a link because I am very interested.
post #1622 of 3042
I can see how you'd think that, as cats are clearly superior to humans. However, I wasn't insulting kkcc by saying he was subject to human nature and I made sure to thank kkcc. And his views are appreciated, as I said. But claiming the technical capabilities are now different with a different cable is silly. As I suggested, that's human nature (applies to everybody, I try to be aware of it). It's much better to say, "with a different cable, I liked how it sounded more" rather than saying the techical capability is now better with this cable, you see the difference?

I'm totally not calling you names, here. Just food for thought, wouldn't it be more hubristic to say that a person has the one and only cable that has dramatic changes in sound when no cable has ever really shown measurable changes? But, each person's experience is valuable, just that I think we should avoid inferring changes in objective performance of an earphone from subjective enjoyment. Personally, I do hear small changes in sound and I enjoy my silver/gold cables and the copper cables and silver cables I've heard, but I'm not making claims about vast improvements or that it changes the fundamental performance of an earphone.

If you're really saying that a cable leads earphones to perform differently beyond changes in impedence, please prove it and explain how. Maybe the question is condescending to you, my apologies, no harm meant.
Edited by Kunlun - 7/25/13 at 11:25am
post #1623 of 3042
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Originally Posted by eke2k6 View Post

You can't really shoot down someone's experience until you've repeated it with the same variables.
I didn't shoot down his experience, I thanked him for it. You misread me. Mountains over molehills.
Edited by Kunlun - 7/25/13 at 11:21am
post #1624 of 3042
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Originally Posted by Ultrazino View Post

As confirmed to me, yes. Both in level and speed.
They said, however, that it is not audible.
I am looking forward to the impressions of trained ears (like mine :P) or measurements on M.R.O.

Anyway, as impressions imply, I expect the SE846 to be a really great sounding IEM, but in the fun kind of way (nothing wrong with that)! I just want to remind people to be careful when quoting "better than CIEM" which should be a completely different target.
That would be a strange sensation having segregated bass section rather than a smooth transition, Like a car or home stereo.
post #1625 of 3042

This speculation is kinda ridiculous... 110 pages in the thread!

 

Impressions from Hong Kong below:

 

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=zh-CN&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mobile01.com%2Ftopicdetail.php%3Ff%3D180%26t%3D3469112

 

The translation sucks, so if you can read mandarin you're in luck.

 

Basically he says this is an improved version of the e5c and e4c of old. Great realism, positioning, clarity. But doesn't have gimmicky large soundstage or V shaped signature. In other words, these earphones don't set out to wow you in the first 5 seconds. He was using the balanced filter. 

 

Compares the bass to IE8, and says the 846 sounds like a completely 'runned in' (he means burned in) version of the IE8, but without the overpowering quantity of the IE8. Instead the emphasis is on extension and details and layering in the bass.

 

He says the bass is super smooth, with no specific frequency sticking out- so none of a 'super subwoofer' effect here. He says if you're looking for a super-bass experience like in a club go elsewhere. This is more like an unplugged, live experience.

 

Impressions are not mine; I'm just providing some quick translations :)

post #1626 of 3042
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Originally Posted by Kunlun View Post

I can see how you'd think that, as cats are clearly superior to humans. However, I wasn't insulting kkcc by saying he was subject to human nature and I made sure to thank kkcc. And his views are appreciated, as I said. But claiming the technical capabilities are now different with a different cable is silly. As I suggested, that's human nature (applies to everybody, I try to be aware of it). It's much better to say, "with a different cable, I liked how it sounded more" rather than saying the techical capability is now better with this cable, you see the difference?

I'm totally not calling you names, here. Just food for thought, wouldn't it be more hubristic to say that a person has the one and only cable that has dramatic changes in sound when no cable has ever really shown measurable changes? But, each person's experience is valuable, just that I think we should avoid inferring changes in objective performance of an earphone from subjective enjoyment. Personally, I do hear small changes in sound and I enjoy my silver/gold cables and the copper cables and silver cables I've heard, but I'm not making claims about vast improvements or that it changes the fundamental performance of an earphone.

If you're really saying that a cable leads earphones to perform differently beyond changes in impedence, please prove it and explain how. Maybe the question is condescending to you, my apologies, no harm meant.

 

No offense taken.

It IS human nature to discount things/opinioins/comments that they have not experience and cannot understand. Histroy has plenty of examples. I don't have any issue others not believing in my impression since afterall, these are MY impression. I also don't have any issue if anyone choose to believe whatever I opined are all my "imagination". "Imagination" in quotes as sound is intrisically a product of how brain activities. I would though be rather interested if anyone can prove we all hear things in the same way and there exist any objective benchmark. I do find it a bit comical for those who take psedo-science as the one and only universal truth. I also despise clueless or purposefully deceiving marketing fluffs.

My friends, If you can hear cable's effect on sound, sorry for your wallet. And friends, if you cannot hear such things, congratulations! You either hear it or you don't, and there is nothing superior one way or the other.

Back to the SE846, just want to let all know I had pre-ordered it, been alloted a unit in the first batch in Hong Kong, and I'm still considering whether or not to go thru with the purchase since I had the demo. On one hand I am underwhelmed as I have had high expectation, and also have a few really good universals, on the other hand it is still a capable and despite the price still represent a comparatively good value for sound against many others IEM I own or demo'ed before and I have also wanted to keep a pair of Shure.

Just 2 more weeks to go and more people can share their love, indifference, or hates of these IEM.
Edited by kkcc - 7/25/13 at 7:46pm
post #1627 of 3042

This speculation is kinda ridiculous... 110 pages in the thread!

 

Impressions from Hong Kong below:

 

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=zh-CN&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mobile01.com%2Ftopicdetail.php%3Ff%3D180%26t%3D3469112

 

The translation sucks, so if you can read mandarin you're in luck.

 

Basically he says this is an improved version of the e5c and e4c of old. Great realism, positioning, clarity. But doesn't have gimmicky large soundstage or V shaped signature. In other words, these earphones don't set out to wow you in the first 5 seconds. He was using the balanced filter. 

 

Compares the bass to IE8, and says the 846 sounds like a completely 'runned in' (he means burned in) version of the IE8, but without the overpowering quantity of the IE8. Instead the emphasis is on extension and details and layering in the bass.

 

He says the bass is super smooth, with no specific frequency sticking out- so none of a 'super subwoofer' effect here. He says if you're looking for a super-bass experience like in a club go elsewhere. This is more like an unplugged, live experience.

 

Impressions are not mine; I'm just providing some quick translations :)

 

 

 

As I have mentioned in an earlier post, I had the SE846 for 5 Days, which I thoroughly enjoyed. I concur with the brief translation of the impressions above.

 

There has been a road show of the SE846 in Hong Kong and many of the impressions coming back on the local forums are similar.

 

The SE846 is a very good universal IEM and performs well at the price point. I am very much looking forward to buying my own pair when they become available next month.


Edited by spkrs01 - 7/25/13 at 7:48pm
post #1628 of 3042
Quote:
Originally Posted by spkrs01 View Post

This speculation is kinda ridiculous... 110 pages in the thread!

 

Impressions from Hong Kong below:

 

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=zh-CN&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mobile01.com%2Ftopicdetail.php%3Ff%3D180%26t%3D3469112

 

The translation sucks, so if you can read mandarin you're in luck.

 

Basically he says this is an improved version of the e5c and e4c of old. Great realism, positioning, clarity. But doesn't have gimmicky large soundstage or V shaped signature. In other words, these earphones don't set out to wow you in the first 5 seconds. He was using the balanced filter. 

 

Compares the bass to IE8, and says the 846 sounds like a completely 'runned in' (he means burned in) version of the IE8, but without the overpowering quantity of the IE8. Instead the emphasis is on extension and details and layering in the bass.

 

He says the bass is super smooth, with no specific frequency sticking out- so none of a 'super subwoofer' effect here. He says if you're looking for a super-bass experience like in a club go elsewhere. This is more like an unplugged, live experience.

 

Impressions are not mine; I'm just providing some quick translations :)

 

 

 

As I have mentioned in an earlier post, I had the SE846 for 5 Days, which I thoroughly enjoyed. I concur with the brief translation of the impressions above.

 

There has been a road show of the SE846 in Hong Kong and many of the impressions coming back on the local forums are similar.

 

The SE846 is a very good universal IEM and performs well at the price point. I am very much looking forward to buying my own pair when they become available next month.

Wow....how did you quote the entire post+profile pic?!
Wizardry.

Right now, it seems to me that this IEM is going to be good. Not super revolutionary like it wants to be, but whatever.
 

post #1629 of 3042

1000

post #1630 of 3042
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Originally Posted by Ultrazino View Post

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Originally Posted by Kunlun View Post

Ultra, please post both your emails to Shure and their responses, in full. That way we can see exactly what they said, thanks.
I already did. Translated by me, with link to source and the name of Shure's employee.
You can search it yourself if you've missed it.

How about a hyperlink to save us some time and frustration? (Send me a PM if you need help with the technicalities!)

post #1631 of 3042

Finally uncovered the technology for the low pass filter and enhanced bass. Pretty techy but try to follow.  The similarity to transmissions is uncanny.  This is why engineers are paid so well. 

 

www.entabulator.wmv


Edited by Spyro - 7/26/13 at 7:32pm
post #1632 of 3042
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Originally Posted by Spyro View Post

Finally uncovered the technology for the low pass filter and enhanced bass. Pretty techy but try to follow.  The similarity to transmissions is uncanny.  This is why engineers are paid so well. 

www.entabulator.wmv
Could you check the link, it doesn't work. I was expecting an explanation about the low pass filter technology, am I right? Please fix it, I'm very interested.
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post #1634 of 3042

well the first time I saw this low pass filter technology from Shure.  I immediately think about Bose wave guide system.  I believe these wave guide has been implement in many other earphone before.  Just that Shure make it more commercialize and try to deliver what most people like = bass.  For me, I'm not the bass head guy but rather soundstage and imaging guy.  That is why I'm waiting patiently to hear whether the changeable nozzle will make any different on the soundstage comparing to other high end UIEM like fitear or akg.

post #1635 of 3042

argh!!! all this waiting is actually killing me ...can't wait any longer

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