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post #1546 of 3046
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Originally Posted by music_4321 View Post

The biggest, most dramatic SQ difference / improvement I've heard was when I went from 128kbps to 129kbps. And no, I'm not an audiophile.

 

I've noticed SQ improvements when switching from Side A of a cassette tape to Side B.

 

The largest improvement I've ever noticed was after I received my cochlear implant.

post #1547 of 3046
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Originally Posted by eke2k6 View Post

 

I've noticed SQ improvements when switching from Side A of a cassette tape to Side B.

 

The largest improvement I've ever noticed was after I received my cochlear implant.

That “happened” a lot with metal-oxide cassette tapes (gravity or something).biggrin.gif

 

Seriously though, I have 30+year old cassette tapes that play decently (even after years in the car). I wonder how much of what I have in digital form will play on the exact device after 30 years. I have a few items half way there.

 

I'm glad I auditioned a number of IEMs recently for a month at a time (including the W4, IQ, SM64, and UE900). They all had their strengths and weaknesses, but in the end I preferred the 535. I hope I will prefer the SE846 because that will mean I will appreciate an actual improvement. It won't be smoke & mirrors because it's thinner and more upfront.

 

post #1548 of 3046
One point to consider: Maybe 1k is custom iem territory but you cannot resell your customs. Anyway you can get custom sleeves for this se846 from sensaphonics for $150 plus $70 for the audiologists appointment plus shipping, I just ask them.
post #1549 of 3046
I've gotten a lot of enjoyment out of my 535's over the past few years, and I'm about to secure my place in line for these.
post #1550 of 3046
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Originally Posted by music_4321 View Post

The biggest, most dramatic SQ difference / improvement I've heard was when I went from 128kbps to 129kbps. And no, I'm not an audiophile.

I have found the biggest leap in sound to come after eating mature Cheddar an hour before a listening session. And if I then lie in a copper bathtub as I listen, well wow!
post #1551 of 3046
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Originally Posted by fermelom View Post

One point to consider: Maybe 1k is custom iem territory but you cannot resell your customs. Anyway you can get custom sleeves for this se846 from sensaphonics for $150 plus $70 for the audiologists appointment plus shipping, I just ask them.

Sure you can resell customs. You just take a bigger hit but not ridiculous. I got my JH13s on a promotion and if I resold them would lose about $300. This isn't an either or proposition. Not that different than the price of those tips and a # that should be affordable by anyone willing to pay $1k for an IEM. If it isn't, you shouldn't be doing this since IEMs are easily lost or broken anyway.

 

That said, the Shure olives are great for seal and fit so the custom tips aren't really needed for those that want that sort of isolation and secure fit. It won't be as comfortable as a properly fitting custom since it will have more pressure but custom tips don't really fit quite as well as total customs either since 1/2 the body hasn't become any more conforming and they often hold the device further away from your canal.  I'm personally not that fond of Shure's current cable (can be changed) or swiveling connection but it's certainly a quality product and not a deal breaker.

 

What I'm basically getting at is that there's plusses and minuses for either but a decision should come down to sound and preference. Resale price on 2 different $1k devices won't be the deciding factor. Those wiling to pay $1k will be willing to lose a bit more if something better than their $1k custom comes along. The trick is to choose well and keep things for a while.


Edited by goodvibes - 7/18/13 at 7:49am
post #1552 of 3046
I suppose I don't participate in an activity during the day that requires me to set my IEM down (making it, then, possible to lose). Even when I wore a tucked uniform shirt, my IEM cable ran between my undershirt and top shirt. I bought pocketed undershirts to stow the earpieces (if needed) or l simply looped it inside.
post #1553 of 3046

1000 is a lot to pay for something that is equal to a CIEM but has less isolation. As someone who plays guitar and drums in a rock band I don't think UIEM's would suit the situation, as far as the headphone staying in your ears and coping with stage volume. I think that eventually it'll be a choice between UIEM's and CIEM's not based on sound quality but the application of the IEM for the user.

post #1554 of 3046
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Originally Posted by fermelom View Post

One point to consider: Maybe 1k is custom iem territory but you cannot resell your customs. Anyway you can get custom sleeves for this se846 from sensaphonics for $150 plus $70 for the audiologists appointment plus shipping, I just ask them.

Those customs sleeves can have a negative effect on the sound signature of the iem. They will improve the fit and isolation but can effect the signature not for the better
post #1555 of 3046
Sometimes the effect is positive. Custom tips can lead to better sound. At least, they have for me and others using FS softerwear custom silicone sleeves.

Also, I used a different set of custom tips on my mtpc and the ex-1000 and both times it sounded every bit as good.
post #1556 of 3046
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Originally Posted by Winegums View Post

1000 is a lot to pay for something that is equal to a CIEM but has less isolation. As someone who plays guitar and drums in a rock band I don't think UIEM's would suit the situation, as far as the headphone staying in your ears and coping with stage volume. I think that eventually it'll be a choice between UIEM's and CIEM's not based on sound quality but the application of the IEM for the user.

I own customs but it wouldn't surprise me if Shure Olive dense foam tips had better isolation. If you haven't tried them, you'll be surprised.

post #1557 of 3046
It's as much the stability in the ear on stage as it is total isolation. Plus, the tuning requirements for stage use (bass presence, lead instruments/vocal need to be clear in the mix, and the need for non-fatiguing treble) are different than the tuning that's often found in audiophile iems.
post #1558 of 3046

I believe what qualifies for stage usage actually varies quite a bit depends on what type of musician one is and what frequency ranges would he/she need to monitor most, how much bass is need, and if ambient noise is required etc.  From what I heard with the se846 demo it seems to be fairly all-rounded that would make quite a good studio or production monitoring.   At this price point, I believe musicians/performers would have a lot of more customized/specialized options for them.

post #1559 of 3046
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Originally Posted by kkcc View Post

I believe what qualifies for stage usage actually varies quite a bit depends on what type of musician one is and what frequency ranges would he/she need to monitor most, how much bass is need, and if ambient noise is required etc.  From what I heard with the se846 demo it seems to be fairly all-rounded that would make quite a good studio or production monitoring.   At this price point, I believe musicians/performers would have a lot of more customized/specialized options for them.

I agree, more like the Ultimate Ears Personal Reference or Vocal Reference monitors.

post #1560 of 3046
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Originally Posted by music_4321 View Post

The biggest, most dramatic SQ difference / improvement I've heard was when I went from 128kbps to 129kbps. And no, I'm not an audiophile.
The ratio SQ/Price is not linear. If your set up is around $100 when you hear a set up of $200 you could tell that it's sounds two times better but a $2,000 set up doesn't sounds two times better than a $1,000. When you're in cosumer grade audio products, it's a lot of things than can easily be improved with an obvious impact in SQ but when you're scaling to Audiophile/Reference SQ you start to look for exotic material and extreme solution to get a little improvement. I am positive that those improvements are real, I'm just saying that as the price increase there's less room for improvement in SQ.
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