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post #1516 of 3040
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Originally Posted by spkrs01 View Post

I have had 5 wonderful days with these excellent sounding SE846, returned them yesterday.....I am convinced! There are real innovations happening inside those little clear shells. Will probably/definitely be in my top 3 of favorite purchases this year, when they become available in August!!


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what is the material of the nozzle, and the cable connector (is it rhodium?, because its definitely not gold). How's the bass sound like?
post #1517 of 3040
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Originally Posted by AmberOzL View Post

Are we allowed to ask a comparison between, well, let's say TG334?

Quick impressions, with stock cables for both, I like the TG334 much more than the SE846.  With stock cable (I'd guess it's copper based from what I heard) the Shure's transient responses, and the bass, are way too slow for any faster paced music across different genres I tried - pop, rock, metal, classical despite being a 4BAs.  Resolution and sound stage is also disappointing.  I would prefer the 334 in a heartbeat and was frankly a bit surprised by my lukewarm response to a shiny new toy.  Chatted with a local distributor from where I got my AK120 and preordered the SE846, he is also trying to "manage" my expectation (he didn't know I had already listened to it) with the SE846 against my other IEMs.

With better cables, in the case of my Shure demo, an expensive OCC silver/gold alloy cable, the Shures improved a lot - to the point it's performance is on par to the TG334 (/w whiplash twag v3) but with different strength.  Comparing the two I feel the bass of the Shure is more impactful and have a certain dynamic driver qualities to it while the Fitear produces a more 3D imaging with much better depth.  I can see many users would be impressed by the SE846 especially if they have not owned or demoed other TOTL universals like the 1plus2 or the Fitear due either to their higher price point or limited availability.  It is also the perfect upgrade for existing 535 users who wanted more bass. It is also good for people who have fit issues with with the 334 or 1plus2 type.  It is priced below these two TOTL iems and is a welcoming addition and would either be more intriguing if it's USD800-850.  I also like the Shure (on stock cable) over IE800 but that didn't say much as I really haven't liked the IE series.

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YMMV but it should be fairly easy to get a demo of the SE846 once launched with Shure's huge global distribution network.  


Edited by kkcc - 7/16/13 at 5:13am
post #1518 of 3040
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Originally Posted by kkcc View Post


Quick impressions, with stock cables for both,
 

Thanks. Did you try the olives on the Shure?

post #1519 of 3040
Nice write-up kkcc.
Having owned an Se535 for 2 years before I jumped over to TG!334, I found that Se535 with olives, the fit is mile ahead in comfort and isolation compared to 334 with Ortofon or stock tips.
Can't wait to have a listen although I'm not in the market for an UIEM
Edited by akhyar - 7/16/13 at 5:12am
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Originally Posted by goodvibes View Post

Thanks. Did you try the olives on the Shure?

 

Foam isn't really my thing.  Haven't tried the 846 with the olives but on 535 it furthered muddied the sound than silicon....

 

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Nice write-up kkcc.
Having owned an Se535 for 2 years before I jumped over to TG!334, I found that Se535 with olives, the fit is mile ahead in comfort and isolation compared to 334 with Ortofon or stock tips.
Can't wait to have a listen although I'm not in the market for an UIEM

 

Thanks Akhyar.  Still struggling if I would go thru with my preorder.... Agreed the Shure's fit is really good, second only to my w4r in terms of universals.  I just don't understand the cable choice with I think is letting the IEM down.  I also don't care for Shure's rotating cable connectors.  Part of the reason I'm hesitant to go thru with my preorder is that I'd definitely need to get ANOTHER cable for it on top of my Fitear cables and 1plus2 (CM connector) cables.  

post #1521 of 3040
I don't know about u guys there in HK, but over here in Singapore, the stores are dangling those willing to take the leap of faith in pre-ordering the 846 with a free UE900 or 9000, Hippo amp, etc.
Can always sell the freebies to pay for TWag cable. No? tongue.gif
post #1522 of 3040
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Originally Posted by akhyar View Post

I don't know about u guys there in HK, but over here in Singapore, the stores are dangling those willing to take the leap of faith in pre-ordering the 846 with a free UE900 or 9000, Hippo amp, etc.
Can always sell the freebies to pay for TWag cable. No? tongue.gif

Reading between the lines for this distributor I spoke with, it seems there are some pressure to move some volume but they might not be entirely convinced the stock performance will convert into enough sales. Probably not against other UIEM but more on the CIEM front. But at least you SG folks are getting deals while my dealer is just managing me...

Also my demo unit is obviously not run-in yet so depends on how much you believes in cable or BA run-ins you can project a bit or a lot improvements over X number of hours.

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Hi kkcc, it almost sounds like you're saying a new cable improves transient speed on an earphone, is that what you mean?

 

Not trying to start a cable debate.

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Before we start advertising third party cables, any feedback on the filters? These should make a bit of difference but nobody who has spent time with them has said anything so far.
post #1525 of 3040
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Originally Posted by Kunlun View Post

Hi kkcc, it almost sounds like you're saying a new cable improves transient speed on an earphone, is that what you mean?

Not trying to start a cable debate.

Kunlun I see where your question came from and I also wasn't expecting the degree of change with the cable. And no I don't usually find cable changing transient response much on my other IEMs.

With the se846 though, I was surprised it sounded sluggish with the stock cable despite being a multi-BA iem. On familiar tracks I almost feel the music is catching up.

After the cable switch it sounded much more normal. I'm not into sound science and can't really speculate the cause. If pressed I would think either there was too much reverbs or sustain is too long especially in the bass/midbass region.
post #1526 of 3040
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Originally Posted by kkcc View Post

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Originally Posted by AmberOzL View Post

Are we allowed to ask a comparison between, well, let's say TG334?

Quick impressions, with stock cables for both, I like the TG334 much more than the SE846.  With stock cable (I'd guess it's copper based from what I heard) the Shure's transient responses, and the bass, are way too slow for any faster paced music across different genres I tried - pop, rock, metal, classical despite being a 4BAs.  Resolution and sound stage is also disappointing.  I would prefer the 334 in a heartbeat and was frankly a bit surprised by my lukewarm response to a shiny new toy.  Chatted with a local distributor from where I got my AK120 and preordered the SE846, he is also trying to "manage" my expectation (he didn't know I had already listened to it) with the SE846 against my other IEMs.

With better cables, in the case of my Shure demo, an expensive OCC silver/gold alloy cable, the Shures improved a lot - to the point it's performance is on par to the TG334 (/w whiplash twag v3) but with different strength.  Comparing the two I feel the bass of the Shure is more impactful and have a certain dynamic driver qualities to it while the Fitear produces a more 3D imaging with much better depth.  I can see many users would be impressed by the SE846 especially if they have not owned or demoed other TOTL universals like the 1plus2 or the Fitear due either to their higher price point or limited availability.  It is also the perfect upgrade for existing 535 users who wanted more bass. It is also good for people who have fit issues with with the 334 or 1plus2 type.  It is priced below these two TOTL iems and is a welcoming addition and would either be more intriguing if it's USD800-850.  I also like the Shure (on stock cable) over IE800 but that didn't say much as I really haven't liked the IE series.

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YMMV but it should be fairly easy to get a demo of the SE846 once launched with Shure's huge global distribution network.  

What kind of cable does the TG334 have? I've tried copper vs silver and silver would definitely help the Shures. It seems that the SE846 keeps the same kind of sound to their previous earphones...which I didn't enjoy for rock music all that much.

 

If the SE846 sounds pretty much on par with the TG334 using an expensive cable, I see no reason to get the SE846. What filter were you using with the Shures?


Edited by miceblue - 7/16/13 at 9:54am
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Too funny.
post #1528 of 3040
Thanks, kkcc. What of the different filters? I imagine that these would have a marked effect of tonality and perhaps one would fit your preference versus another.
post #1529 of 3040

Slow is exactly the term I was expecting, especially since the tube delays the lower frequencies. It has to have an audible effect with Classical or Acoustic where cohesion matters most.

 

I am looking forward to hear them myself, but I might be biased already and only look for flaws, considering the price and the nice words a selected few people had who also added a bit of nonsense to their opinions.

post #1530 of 3040
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Originally Posted by kkcc View Post

Quick impressions, with stock cables for both, I like the TG334 much more than the SE846.  With stock cable (I'd guess it's copper based from what I heard) the Shure's transient responses, and the bass, are way too slow for any faster paced music across different genres I tried - pop, rock, metal, classical despite being a 4BAs.  Resolution and sound stage is also disappointing.  I would prefer the 334 in a heartbeat and was frankly a bit surprised by my lukewarm response to a shiny new toy.  Chatted with a local distributor from where I got my AK120 and preordered the SE846, he is also trying to "manage" my expectation (he didn't know I had already listened to it) with the SE846 against my other IEMs.

With better cables, in the case of my Shure demo, an expensive OCC silver/gold alloy cable, the Shures improved a lot - to the point it's performance is on par to the TG334 (/w whiplash twag v3) but with different strength.  Comparing the two I feel the bass of the Shure is more impactful and have a certain dynamic driver qualities to it while the Fitear produces a more 3D imaging with much better depth.  I can see many users would be impressed by the SE846 especially if they have not owned or demoed other TOTL universals like the 1plus2 or the Fitear due either to their higher price point or limited availability.  It is also the perfect upgrade for existing 535 users who wanted more bass. It is also good for people who have fit issues with with the 334 or 1plus2 type.  It is priced below these two TOTL iems and is a welcoming addition and would either be more intriguing if it's USD800-850.  I also like the Shure (on stock cable) over IE800 but that didn't say much as I really haven't liked the IE series.

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YMMV but it should be fairly easy to get a demo of the SE846 once launched with Shure's huge global distribution network.  


I am not surprised that a change of cables makes a difference. I found when upgrading to OCC silver cables the PRaT and clarity improved materially from the stock cables on the SE535. Ted at Headphonelounge is a real master of custom cables and truly pleasent to deal with.
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