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post #271 of 1514

It seems that the ma900 has done a great exposing the smaller sound stage on the hd650 for me. After moving back to the hd650 for a few days I find myself wishing for the sound stage  of the ma900. Some have said that going balanced would expand the sound stage quite a bit on the 650. I'm not willing to spend the cash on converting my system over to balanced. It will much more economical to pickup the ma900.

 

The question then becomes will the 650 start collecting dust? Only time will tell.

post #272 of 1514
Are you using the the same amp/dac on both hp's?
Are you listening to the identical music on both hp,s?
And most important,are they equally as comfortable?

I sold my hd650's on impulse,a few years ago,because they were collecting dust--now I regret it,especially when I realize how little I paid for them,and what an excellent cable came with them.

Just my .02',Matt
post #273 of 1514
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by MattTCG View Post
 

It seems that the ma900 has done a great exposing the smaller sound stage on the hd650 for me. After moving back to the hd650 for a few days I find myself wishing for the sound stage  of the ma900. Some have said that going balanced would expand the sound stage quite a bit on the 650. I'm not willing to spend the cash on converting my system over to balanced. It will much more economical to pickup the ma900.

 

The question then becomes will the 650 start collecting dust? Only time will tell.

 

how old is your HD650? silver or black screen? do you have new pads? are they deformed?

 

Could you elaborate more? say that music/recording you tried to compare with it, which aspect did you liked more on MA900 :)


Edited by Lumos - 9/23/13 at 1:35pm
post #274 of 1514
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Originally Posted by mikek200 View Post

Are you using the the same amp/dac on both hp's?
Are you listening to the identical music on both hp,s?
And most important,are they equally as comfortable?

I sold my hd650's on impulse,a few years ago,because they were collecting dust--now I regret it,especially when I realize how little I paid for them,and what an excellent cable came with them.

Just my .02',Matt

 

Oh no Mike! You're falling into the trap of selling and rebuying the same headphone! I've done that way too many times! TBH, I think the HD650 are too expensive for what they offer. 

 
I found the HD650 to be more comfortable than the MA900 for one reason. The pads on the MA900 are just not very thick. I've got big ears that stick out a bit and my ear tip would end up poking the driver, which is really uncomfortable after an hour or so. 
 
The HD650 are appreciably improved when running balanced, and I'm curious to see if the MA900

improve at all if they are balanced. 

post #275 of 1514
I ran the 650 off the SA-31, known to have a large soundstage. The 650 doesn't even begin to come close to the MA900 in soundstage. The 650 was NEVER known for it's soundstage. The MA900 however, is. I have owned two HD650s, and I loved both, but I would clearly still go for the MA900 due to it's own strengths. The 650 IS better overall, but the things the MA900 does better, would make me reach for them more. I guess the MA900's comfort is either gonna be absolutely amazing, or problematic. Having used on ears for awhile now, the MA900 touching my ears is a complete non-issue, as it's still much more gentle and comfy than ANY on ear I've ever used.

Also to whom it may concern, you're looking into it too much. The 650 is still miles betyter than the ESW9. The ESW9 is closed AND on ear. Two things that kill it compared to the 650. By similar, we're referring to it's tonality. Both are warm, mid rich headphones, with smooth threble. The ESW9 sounds warmer and thicker... and less detailed.
Edited by Mad Lust Envy - 9/23/13 at 1:46pm
post #276 of 1514

^^ So will you  be selling the x1 then?

 

:popcorn:

post #277 of 1514
Erik,
I think you ,misunderstood my post..
I am not re-buying the 650's
I just regret sometimes ,selling them.
My recent purchase,and reply to Matt,was comparing the 650's to the sony ,s which we both purchased.
Mine have not been shipped ,,,,yet?

With most of my headphones,that I sell--I have no regrets,--the 650's are the exception.
It is all about ????,s. VS. quality..,,,with me.
Again,just my .02


Mike
Edited by mikek200 - 9/23/13 at 1:53pm
post #278 of 1514
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Originally Posted by Lumos View Post
 

 

how old is your HD650? silver or black screen? do you have new pads? are they deformed?

 

Could you elaborate more? say that music/recording you tried to compare with it, which aspect did you liked more on MA900 :)

 

My 650 is about 9 months old. Pads are in great shape. I listen to tons of different kinds of music, but I'm very picking about quality rips. Everything has to be a good flac rip or better...I have lot's of hi res stuff. 
post #279 of 1514
Quote:
Originally Posted by mikek200 View Post

Erik,
I think you ,misunderstood my post..
I am not re-buying the 650's
I just regret sometimes ,selling them.
My recent purchase,and reply to Matt,was comparing the 650's to the sony ,s which we both purchased.
Mine have not been shipped ,,,,yet?

With most of my headphones,that I sell--I have no regrets,--the 650's are the exception.
It is all about ????,s. VS. quality..,,,with me.
Again,just my .02


Mike

 

haha! I'm just poking some fun :p
 
It seems with a few headphones, after I sell them I start to miss them a bit. 
post #280 of 1514
I Know,I know
And ,you know why....lol


mike
post #281 of 1514

I just posted the following on my iCAN review thread:

 

The Sony MA900s continue to surprise me. I hadn't used my TDS202 sound enhancer in a while, and my instinct was that it would not work well with the Sony's as they are already so spacious and open with the iCAN amp.

 

But no harm in trying, so I pulled it out and hooked it up between the Tera and the iCAN. The TDS202 is a strange little device that boosts low level sounds in the mix and thereby brings out the details in the music. It also has the effect of expanding the soundstage. So it is similar to the 3D on the iCAN.

 

And at first it maybe seemed like too much of a good thing, but after a bit of mental adjustment there was a growing sense of wonder at the effect with the Sony's. First of all, there is an abundance of details and resolution. As Highflight described it when he bought the TDS on my recommendation, it is like removing cotton from your ears. But the surprising thing is how it also seems to fill in the body of the sound from top to bottom. Everything sounds fuller and richer, even the bass. I do not remember this happening with any of my other headphones when I have used the TDS202 in the past. Maybe it is in part because I am using the xbass on the high level of boost with the Sony's also. But there is definitely a fullness to the bass and mids with the TDS in the chain. In the past, it seemed to tilt things more towards the higher frequencies.

 

And then there is the spacious almost hallucinogenic soundstage with the Sonys and the 3D on the iCAN and the TDS202 all working together to create an amazing sense of wide open sound and almost supernatural instrument separation. This is the thing that my brain has to adjust to, but as I get used to it, it is quite addictive. The Sony's do this well by themselves, but add in the other two effects and it moves into another realm of spaciousness. And as always, if on a particular song, it really is too much, I can just flick a switch on the iCAN and bring things back down to earth. In fact with the TDS in the chain, I find I also enjoy the lower "one dot" setting on the iCAN which is a more typical crossfeed. Without the TDS, the sound can tend to flatten out a bit and be a little lifeless with this setting on the iCAN. But with the TDS, I can enjoy the benefits of the crossfeed filling in the middle and tightening up the soundstage without losing the aliveness and even an overall remaining sense of open spaciousness and still very good instrument separation. On some music, it is just what is needed. But most of the time, I just go into hyperdrive and fly through the vast reaches of interstellar sound with everything maxxed out for space and more space.

post #282 of 1514

Bit confused as to what this AE means? 

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Sony-MDRMA900-AE-Home-Headphones/dp/B007I1QXX2/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1380048928&sr=8-1&keywords=ma900

 

 

Is there some different model? Anyone in UK/Ireland/Europe ordered from somewhere? :beyersmile:

post #283 of 1514

Maybe that just refers to Around Ear??

 

Mine will be here tomorrow!! Can't wait to have it back in the house. :D

post #284 of 1514

I want to remind anyone new to the MA900s to try playing with the position of the headphones on your head. I find these headphones respond a lot to being moved forward or backwards. It seems that moving them all of the way forward so that the slanted earpads are tucked tightly in behind your outer ear works like a tone control and shifts the center of the tone lower and calms an overly bright treble. Whereas moving them back to center or even as far back as they can go adds a lot of energy to the treble. Because of the slanted earpads and the large drivers, you can change the position of these headphones a lot compared to other headphones, as there is a lot of space inside the headphone.

 

With the setup I described above, I find they sound best as far forward as possible since the iCAN 3D effect does boost the upper mids and lower treble. So shifting the headphones forwards balances this out and brings back a warmer sound. This effect can work like a quick and simple EQ where you can adjust the tone to suit your mood or the particular recording you are listening to.

 

The position also affects the soundstage with the forward position giving the most open spacious sound. I recently read a description of Ultrasone's S-Logic that suggested much of what they feel makes the soundstage more natural in their headphones is the position of the driver. Specifically, they feel that the driver should be further forward and down low, so that the sound enters your ear canal after reflecting off of the outer ear, which is the more typical way sound enters your ear when listening to speakers or live music. So maybe it also makes sense that I like wearing my Sony's as far forward and also as low down on my head as possible most of the time. A good part of the pads are down on my cheek and jaw, so the driver is very far forward and lower than my ear. Again this especially works well now that I have the TDS202 in the system which brings out a lot of detail and the iCAN 3D effect which boosts the upper frequencies. With a different setup or on an overly bright song, a different position might work better.

 

It is a nice feature of these headphones that they can provide a very different sound depending on how you wear them. It is kind of like having more than one pair of headphones for the price of one!


Edited by Nirmalanow - 9/24/13 at 6:36pm
post #285 of 1514

I will agree only in part here. I am able to detect a change in sound stage by moving the cups around. But there is just nothing about the treble that sounds bright no matter where I put them. 

 

I may borrow a friends ican and give it another listen. I did not have the ma900 when I auditioned the ican can previously. Maybe it deserves a second look/listen. 

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