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post #241 of 2243

The ma900 is not a hd6x0 killer for me. At least I don't think. The improvement in sound stage and comfort are enough for me to justify owning both. But who knows. Once I replace the cable and get a better idea of durability on the Sony, I'll get a better sense of where it fits in. 

post #242 of 2243
For me, it'd easily just come down to whichever I'd put on my head the vast majority of the time. Since I'd undoubtedly reach for the MA900 much more than anything due to it's weight and comfort, I personally wouldn't keep the HD650, especially since they are similar in tonality and balance. If they contrasted each other a lot more, then yeah, I could see a reason to have both.

I'd have to own something polar opposite of it. Like having an HD800 with a TH900 as my two mains if I had that kind of money.
post #243 of 2243

The Sony is able to do things with sound stage that the hd650 can't touch. I do have a two hp rule and like to keep two "complementary" pair of hp's. My current plan is hd650 and AD.

 

I have some reservation about the build quality of the Sony long term. The hd650 although mostly plastic has a tank like build. The Sony does not. The hd650 will still be going strong in ten years with a couple of pads swaps. I'm not sure that the Sony can provide that kind of longevity. 

 

Are the pads replaceable on the Sony? Where are the modders and why haven't they jumped on the ma900? I think that I would enjoy some thicker pads on the Sony. 

post #244 of 2243
The MA900 is one of those unknowns or overlooked hadphones like the HE-4.

The pads easily come off. Now to find appropriate pads that will fit and not hamper sound quality. Because the diameter is so large, you'll definitely have to look for very large, round pads, that aren't thick. Probably some Audio Technica AD velours?

Trust me, for those looking for comfy, well balanced headphones for cheap, I'll be recommending the MA900 all over the place. It needs a spotlight.

I don't see the build quality ever becoming an issue. It surely looks flimsy, but the cups seem very sturdy, and the headband while thin doesn't seem to have any real weak points (it's aluminum inside). I'm more liable to toss these around without worry than the HD650 which would chip...
Edited by Mad Lust Envy - 9/22/13 at 5:14am
post #245 of 2243

I'll be leading the charge on this hp also. It's just way too good not to be more on the radar around here. My quality of the build concerns come down to...

 

*cable (I worry about the strain relief and how it will hold up over time. Also, I wonder how this thin cable will hold up after I've run over it with my desk chair about 100x).

 

*slider adjustment (I have to wear the slider in the smallest/tightest position for a good fit. If the sliders ever loose their ability to stay tight and in place it would be a problem for me. I could always glue them in place I guess if it came to that.)

 

*juncture where the slider arms meet the cups (this is the least of my concerns. But arms are small where they meet the cups and I wonder how well they would hold up with a drop to the ground....or 10 drops.)

 

I guess only time will tell. I'm very careful with hp's and I think that the ma900 will hold up fine. There is no way that I wouldn't have these on my must have list. 

post #246 of 2243
Other than utterly destroying my PX100-II, and being less than careful with my Koss clip ons (they're so cheap anyways, so I toss them around like whatevs) I'm extremely careful with my headphones. I don't ever see me having issues with it. I guess my biggest fear is running over the cable with le chair a dozen times. The thinness doesn't bother me, so much as the lack of strain relief.
post #247 of 2243
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by MattTCG View Post
 

The Sony is able to do things with sound stage that the hd650 can't touch. I do have a two hp rule and like to keep two "complementary" pair of hp's. My current plan is hd650 and AD.but

 

Interesting... I really like MA900 but I never found them better in soundstage (or bass or retrieving detail) than HD650. For MA900 (untill I sold them) I used Ibasso D12 now for HD650 I am using Schiit Magni

IMO Sony has noticable unnatural tonality for Bassoon and Chello less texture less definition, sounds like more boomy. HD650 is more close to natural sound (even HD598 was better to reproduce realistic bass for me). Two example music: Spanish Harlem by Rebeca Pidgeon and Concerto RV 495 in sol minore - Presto by Vivaldi

 

However HD650 has its problems, but it is more detailed (for example take any good recording and compare cymbal attack or micro detail) has better bass definition and has A LOT better soundsage

 

Now on soundstage- The layering and placing instrunents in the space is worst part on Sonnys, It slightly improves if you pull back and your ear would be near the back opening of the driver. MA900 tends to create impression that sound comes from the back then they are not, for example take sea waves sound effect. Another issue is vocal, they lack centre compared to HD650, this is not very bothering, hense I presume that stereo separation and imagening is qute lacking. 

 

If you have Chesky Records - The Ultimate Demonstration Disk in your collection play - 21-Vivaldi- Flute Concerto in D-21-The Connecticut Early Music Festival Ensemble and then compare focus presentation to HD650 :)

 

Finally MA900 is outstanding headphone for the current price that's why I created this appreciation thread but lets not exaggerate... 

post #248 of 2243
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Originally Posted by Lumos View Post
 

 

Interesting... I really like MA900 but I never found them better in soundstage (or bass or retrieving detail) than HD650. For MA900 (untill I sold them) I used Ibasso D12 now for HD650 I am using Schiit Magni

IMO Sony has noticable unnatural tonality for Bassoon and Chello less texture less definition, sounds like more boomy. HD650 is more close to natural sound (even HD598 was better to reproduce realistic bass for me). Two example music: Spanish Harlem by Rebeca Pidgeon and Concerto RV 495 in sol minore - Presto by Vivaldi

 

However HD650 has its problems, but it is more detailed (for example take any good recording and compare cymbal attack or micro detail) has better bass definition and has A LOT better soundsage

 

Now on soundstage- The layering and placing instrunents in the space is worst part on Sonnys, It slightly improves if you pull back and your ear would be near the back opening of the driver. MA900 tends to create impression that sound comes from the back then they are not, for example take sea waves sound effect. Another issue is vocal, they lack centre compared to HD650, this is not very bothering, hense I presume that stereo separation and imagening is qute lacking. 

 

If you have Chesky Records - The Ultimate Demonstration Disk in your collection play - 21-Vivaldi- Flute Concerto in D-21-The Connecticut Early Music Festival Ensemble and then compare focus presentation to HD650 :)

 

Finally MA900 is outstanding headphone for the current price that's why I created this appreciation thread but lets not exaggerate... 

Could be that Matt is hearing things differently than you

Might be his setup?..amp...dac??

there are too many variables,to say he is exaggerating

No two people hear things the way you do

 

That being said,because of your review,& Matt's input,& a few others,MLE in particular,,I went ahead and ordered these headphones

You are right,for the price,even if they are not up to my liking..I will keep them,at least they are comfortable--I think?

 

Mike


Edited by mikek200 - 9/22/13 at 10:26am
post #249 of 2243
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Originally Posted by Lumos View Post
 

 

Interesting... I really like MA900 but I never found them better in soundstage (or bass or retrieving detail) than HD650. For MA900 (untill I sold them) I used Ibasso D12 now for HD650 I am using Schiit Magni

IMO Sony has noticable unnatural tonality for Bassoon and Chello less texture less definition, sounds like more boomy. HD650 is more close to natural sound (even HD598 was better to reproduce realistic bass for me). Two example music: Spanish Harlem by Rebeca Pidgeon and Concerto RV 495 in sol minore - Presto by Vivaldi

 

However HD650 has its problems, but it is more detailed (for example take any good recording and compare cymbal attack or micro detail) has better bass definition and has A LOT better soundsage

 

Now on soundstage- The layering and placing instrunents in the space is worst part on Sonnys, It slightly improves if you pull back and your ear would be near the back opening of the driver. MA900 tends to create impression that sound comes from the back then they are not, for example take sea waves sound effect. Another issue is vocal, they lack centre compared to HD650, this is not very bothering, hense I presume that stereo separation and imagening is qute lacking. 

 

If you have Chesky Records - The Ultimate Demonstration Disk in your collection play - 21-Vivaldi- Flute Concerto in D-21-The Connecticut Early Music Festival Ensemble and then compare focus presentation to HD650 :)

 

Finally MA900 is outstanding headphone for the current price that's why I created this appreciation thread but lets not exaggerate... 

 

 

 

I don't think people exaggerating these .. if you read Jude's impressions on ma900, he also agrees these has some unique imaging compared to others..

 

here are exactly his words

Quote:
So what is it I love about this headphone? The imaging. In this regard, it's entirely unique in my collection. Big, airy, open, with a greater sense of out-of-head placement than just about any other headphone I've heard.

Edited by appsmarsterx - 9/23/13 at 7:55am
post #250 of 2243
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lumos View Post
 

 

Interesting... I really like MA900 but I never found them better in soundstage (or bass or retrieving detail) than HD650. For MA900 (untill I sold them) I used Ibasso D12 now for HD650 I am using Schiit Magni

IMO Sony has noticable unnatural tonality for Bassoon and Chello less texture less definition, sounds like more boomy. HD650 is more close to natural sound (even HD598 was better to reproduce realistic bass for me). Two example music: Spanish Harlem by Rebeca Pidgeon and Concerto RV 495 in sol minore - Presto by Vivaldi

 

However HD650 has its problems, but it is more detailed (for example take any good recording and compare cymbal attack or micro detail) has better bass definition and has A LOT better soundsage

 

Now on soundstage- The layering and placing instrunents in the space is worst part on Sonnys, It slightly improves if you pull back and your ear would be near the back opening of the driver. MA900 tends to create impression that sound comes from the back then they are not, for example take sea waves sound effect. Another issue is vocal, they lack centre compared to HD650, this is not very bothering, hense I presume that stereo separation and imagening is qute lacking. 

 

If you have Chesky Records - The Ultimate Demonstration Disk in your collection play - 21-Vivaldi- Flute Concerto in D-21-The Connecticut Early Music Festival Ensemble and then compare focus presentation to HD650 :)

 

Finally MA900 is outstanding headphone for the current price that's why I created this appreciation thread but lets not exaggerate... 

 

I won't take anything away from someone else's review/opinion because we do sometimes hear things differently. I'm using the uberfrost as dac and I do feel that the dac does make a good bit of difference with the ma900. 

 
When listening for tone and timber of a headphone, I like to use live instruments. I had played piano and sax since grade school and am very familiar with how those instruments sounds in real life. My dad had played guitar since I was a little kid and I have always been appreciative of the sound of acoustic guitar. The ma900 IMO does a very good job with matching the natural tone of those instruments. No headphone that I've heard comes comes to sounding just like the real instrument. The Stax setup is the closest that I've heard so far. 
 
I will completely disagree with regarding the sound stage of the ma900 though. It is the best that I've heard by a considerable margin. So we'll have to agree to disagree on that one. 
post #251 of 2243
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Originally Posted by MattTCG View Post

I won't take anything away from someone else's review/opinion because we do sometimes hear things differently. I'm using the uberfrost as dac and I do feel that the dac does make a good bit of difference with the ma900. 
 
When listening for tone and timber of a headphone, I like to use live instruments. I had played piano and sax since grade school and am very familiar with how those instruments sounds in real life. My dad had played guitar since I was a little kid and I have always been appreciative of the sound of acoustic guitar. The ma900 IMO does a very good job with matching the natural tone of those instruments. No headphone that I've heard comes comes to sounding just like the real instrument. The Stax setup is the closest that I've heard so far. 
 
I will completely disagree with regarding the sound stage of the ma900 though. It is the best that I've heard by a considerable margin. So we'll have to agree to disagree on that one. 

I noticed the MA900 improves a good amount with a better system. I still need to get a better DAC sometime, but switching from the Magni to EF2A was a noticeable improvement. The bass on the Magni with the MA900 was a bit muddy, veiled, incoherent, and just sounded weird, it is not the case with the EF2A which greatly improved the bass in terms of transparency and tone, it's overall tone and timbre ended up being more natural as well. The soundstage improved and it has more physicality to the sound now. I agree almost no headphone sounds like the real thing, although the R10 sounded like the real thing to me when I heard it.
post #252 of 2243

If the MA1000 is ever introduced, I really hope they redesign the headband and improve the earpad material.

post #253 of 2243
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Originally Posted by Katun View Post
 

If the MA1000 is ever introduced, I really hope they redesign the headband and improve the earpad material.

I do too, the headband slightly bothers me at times and I notice the pads seem to somewhat dig into my head due to how thin they are.

post #254 of 2243
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by MattTCG View Post
 

 

I won't take anything away from someone else's review/opinion because we do sometimes hear things differently. I'm using the uberfrost as dac and I do feel that the dac does make a good bit of difference with the ma900. 

 
When listening for tone and timber of a headphone, I like to use live instruments. I had played piano and sax since grade school and am very familiar with how those instruments sounds in real life. My dad had played guitar since I was a little kid and I have always been appreciative of the sound of acoustic guitar. The ma900 IMO does a very good job with matching the natural tone of those instruments. No headphone that I've heard comes comes to sounding just like the real instrument. The Stax setup is the closest that I've heard so far. 
 
I will completely disagree with regarding the sound stage of the ma900 though. It is the best that I've heard by a considerable margin. So we'll have to agree to disagree on that one. 

Probably we hear things differently, who knows... I sold MA900 because of HD650 after spending several days to compare them, before that I had HD598 for several months to compare aslo with MA900 (As DAC/AMP used Ibasso D12 with respectable Dual Wolfsan WM8740)

Yes, I did notice improvements in soundstage size while using Wolfsan DAC but imagining was severely lacking, I would say compared to both HD598 and HD650, just take any good recording of symphony orchestra...

For solo instruments and small ensemble it was respectable...

 

I don't know which HD650 you have old or new but IMO my HD650 (drivers made in 2012) has huge soundstage compared to all my headphones. better I have heard only on Beyerdinamic T1 paired with A1. :) 


Edited by Lumos - 9/22/13 at 3:42pm
post #255 of 2243
Thread Starter 

P.S. I am not Senn's fanboy and I do not think that HD650 costs 500$ it is 200$ headphone for me... hell they could use magnesium like sony did. Also it has very huge problems but this is an issue of another thread.

 

On the other hand Sony is headphone which makes you to sell all your expencive gear, sit with your computer just listen your music and DO NOT think about tube amps AT ALL man heh

 

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Originally Posted by kman1211 View Post


I noticed the MA900 improves a good amount with a better system. I still need to get a better DAC sometime, but switching from the Magni to EF2A was a noticeable improvement. The bass on the Magni with the MA900 was a bit muddy, veiled, incoherent, and just sounded weird, it is not the case with the EF2A which greatly improved the bass in terms of transparency and tone, it's overall tone and timbre ended up being more natural as well. The soundstage improved and it has more physicality to the sound now. I agree almost no headphone sounds like the real thing, although the R10 sounded like the real thing to me when I heard it.

Edited by Lumos - 9/22/13 at 4:03pm
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