Ok I'm back to just to be polite to a few posts:) Don't lynch me!!
Thankyou :) And that is so true! I would also add, that although I was comparing them to mid price headphones (K701/HD600, I was only doing this because of the hype surrounding these that they are as good (or better) to some folks. But taste is everything in this hobby.
Lugbug1 is an experienced listener, so I think some of his observations must be due to one or more of:
* Not allowing any burn-in time at all (some dynamic drivers - such as Shure - are more grainy out of the box)
* Not trying my mod of a piece of tape to hold the sliders (although yeah, the quality should be better so that you should not have to do).
* Reading other comments and so did not plug it into one of his Kenwood or Pioneer amps
* Not moving the ear pieces up and down or backwards or forwards a little, to get the best response.
Burn in is something that is so hard to prove... I defo believe in warming up any audio component, but that is different. I find most components sound better after at least half an hour. But there is also a sound difference with some headphone pads too as they mold to your face over time and cause more of a seal. The reason why I don't believe in burn in with moving coil dynamic drivers, is that something moving through air shouldn't be affected over time like other mechanical moving parts where friction is involved. But this is such a grey area and still can't be proved by science. So its always going to be a subjective experience whether true or not. And I believe you my friend!
I did try them with my Nad integrate as this has a low mute button. Just to see how well the impedance compensator worked. To be fair the sound character didn't change much, only darker because of the sig of the amp. But the volume level went right down. This means they weren't getting fed enough current and I would be close to frying them If I turned them right up!
Also just to say..
I think a whole day spent with a headphone is enough time to evaluate it. It may not be enough time for it to grow on you... And I certainly don't dislike it! It's just it was not above average for me (so unfortunately 2 stars it had to be, because 3 stars would have been above average) Also, I'm not a gamer or watch films. I'm a music lover. 20 years of listening and collecting classical music (my dads fault). I'm also admittedly becoming more of an audiophile snob hahah.. But this comes with the hobby I'm afraid. And owning a headphone such as the HD800's for the best part of a year is bound to have an impact on how you judge SQ no matter how much you try to be objective in regards to price performance etc with other cans. So in that respect I may very well have been unfair to the Sony's subconsciously.
I also bought the K701's (3rd time) at the same time as the MA900's and for me it was no contest. But as always its down to taste in sq. Music preference is also a very important factor. Amps, sources etc goes without saying in regards to how a headphone will perform as well. The Necosoundlabs amp I used with the MA900 is a fabulous amp with nothing but stellar reviews. I have upgraded opamps that make it even smoother than what it is stock and it is a very neutral sounding SS amp. Its as good as any Schiit amps I've heard. So I don't believe my amp had any part in them not being winners with me.
So I'll just sit here on one side of the tree with my K701's on, while you guys sit on the other side with your MA900's. We all love a nice big soundstage! Only you guys love your more forward mids and like my extension and less forward sound. Happy days!!