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post #406 of 1245
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Originally Posted by Angular Mo View Post

Thanks, those DAPs are too expensive for me.

 

Anyone else with the LX and an affordable solution that is portable?  even transportable?

 

Is there a phablet or tablet with SPDIF output to feed into the M8's optical input?

With a phablet or tablet you can as well try USB Audio. Both versions of the M8 support USB input.

Here's a post where a head-fier DanBa updates a list of compatible sources and USB DACs every 5 pages (I think the M8 is already confirmed).

Mind that USB Audio support by Android is still rudimentary. The only way to stream hi-res digital through USB for now is an app called USB Audio Recorder Pro, and it's UI is pretty basic since it's never was supposed to be a music player. It's author was working on making a system service that would let other players use it to stream 24/192, but nobody knows when it's finished and when the likes of Neutron and PowerAmp will support it.

post #407 of 1245

I had a great headphone geek-out/personal audio evangelist moment last night at this house party I was DJing at

and it included my CEntrance HiFi-M8!

 

My friends had a bonfire going at one point.  There were people with guitars and drums in this other area.  It was a night full of live stuff

from good friends and the vibe was positive.  After the live music winded down there I pulled out my HiFi-M8 (iPod Classic as source )

and Audeze LCD3's (via a prototype cable I'm working with somebody on).  I promised a few friends that I'd "blow their minds with a headphone

experience they never dreamed possible."  None of them are audiophiles or even headphone enthusiasts.  They're artists and also love music.

 

I heard some amazing feedback.  My friend Lavender for example (who also sung and played drums that night) told me that it was

the first time she'd ever heard a headphone system that "washed over me like this" and she described the "three-dimensionality of the

sound" - HER words.  Another guy I didn't know told me "you just made my Sony's sound like complete S__" "I love you and I hate

you".  LOL

 

But my friend Eddie said something that just blew my mind.  Now, consider the fact that it was late, and I was all pumped up hearing

these people react like MAD to this portable rig!  I played Eddie some Nosaj Thing, James Blake, Eskmo, and ended his short listening

sesh with Radiohead's "Everything in it's Right Place" off there mesmerizing Kid A record...

 

He started talking to me about the sound.  He said it sounded like a "50k stereo system strapped to my head" and he said "the whole

experience was also very personal"! I said wah?  LOL  I asked him if he ever heard me say "personal audio"?  He said no.  I told

him that was so freaky because, I said, IF you could give a name to this big game we're all involved in, it's personal audio!  I just found

it fascinating that he chose that word specifically.  When I asked him why it was "personal" he said it was "more meditative and grounding"

than listening to music "echoing in a room."  And he's a bass player.

 

I also had a moment of pride there, admittedly, because I sat in on the brainstorming sessions when I worked at CEntrance that birthed

their marketing anthem Making Audio Personal!  

 

A GREAT time turning people onto better sound through tools they can relate to, even if they've never seen ANYTHING like it before

(bigger headphones or a DAC/headphone amp).  They picked up how to use the HiFi-M8 INSTANTLY!!

 

Listening to my Audeze LCD3's while sitting around a campfire - WOW

Thanks CEntrance HiFi-M8!! Sounds like a soap commercial...

 

It was MAGICAL

 

 

post #408 of 1245
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Originally Posted by hoichi View Post

With a phablet or tablet you can as well try USB Audio. Both versions of the M8 support USB input.

Here's a post where a head-fier DanBa updates a list of compatible sources and USB DACs every 5 pages (I think the M8 is already confirmed).

Mind that USB Audio support by Android is still rudimentary. The only way to stream hi-res digital through USB for now is an app called USB Audio Recorder Pro, and it's UI is pretty basic since it's never was supposed to be a music player. It's author was working on making a system service that would let other players use it to stream 24/192, but nobody knows when it's finished and when the likes of Neutron and PowerAmp will support it.


correction, USB Audio Recorder Pro is NOT the only way to stream audio from Android devices to standard USB DAC. There are various phone, although not many that supports out of the box. I've personally tried HTC ONE connected to iBasso D2+ BOA and it works just like that, no hacking nor any custom firmware nor any tinkering. While some devices like Nexus 7 can gain this capability through some custom firmware, and WITHOUT using USB Audio Recorder Pro. Only time will tell if this capability will become standard in the near future.

post #409 of 1245
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Originally Posted by hoekeat View Post


correction, USB Audio Recorder Pro is NOT the only way to stream audio from Android devices to standard USB DAC. There are various phone, although not many that supports out of the box. I've personally tried HTC ONE connected to iBasso D2+ BOA and it works just like that, no hacking nor any custom firmware nor any tinkering. While some devices like Nexus 7 can gain this capability through some custom firmware, and WITHOUT using USB Audio Recorder Pro. Only time will tell if this capability will become standard in the near future.

I didn't say it was the only way to stream USB Audio at all. I said it was the only way to stream hi-res tracks without downsampling.

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post #411 of 1245
Thread Starter 
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But are they planning to pull 24/96 out of idevices? that would a main difference.

 

This lastest model is a result of the falling out between cypher labs and alo I guess.

 

So I guess its basically the ab version incased in a bigger shell with an amp(?).

______________________________________

 

*CAVEAT: I havent watched the video yet, so this is my prophecy ;)

post #412 of 1245
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Originally Posted by ExpatinJapan View Post

But are they planning to pull 24/96 out of idevices? that would a main difference.

 

This lastest model is a result of the falling out between cypher labs and alo I guess.

 

So I guess its basically the ab version incased in a bigger shell with an amp(?).

______________________________________

 

*CAVEAT: I havent watched the video yet, so this is my prophecy ;)


I lost my interest after the video.

 

Made for on/over ear headphones. Hiss with iems. Not powerful like M8. Also it is neutral but it has a slight coloration. I prefer M8 and color my music with the switches if I ever want to. I don't like colored amps.

 

It has a great battery life though. I like their little touches. Still not enough for me, M8 is the winner.

post #413 of 1245
Thread Starter 

Yeah, great nay excellent battery life.

 

Great cable selection.

 

Output impedance? - no idea.

 

size is good.

 

small power charger cable is great.

 

hiss is not good.

 

what power does it output? - no idea.

 

------------------------------------------

 

Still very happy with my Hifi-M8.

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Originally Posted by Angular Mo View Post
 

LX user....any small tablets have an SPDIF out with high res?

 

if there are none, then my inference is that those that buy the LX either;

1) have the bucks to afford an AK player, or

2) use a laptop...such as a MacBook pro (does the Air have SPDIF output) or

3) use a desktop; in this use-case, I would typically prefer a separate DAC and amp to upgrade separately.

 

Seems, to me, the M8 is ahead of its time....

iDevices don't provide the high-res

and

SPDIF output is not yet prevalent on portables or transporable transports.

 

 

There must be something I don't understand...

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Originally Posted by AmberOzL View Post


iDevices are indeed strange, no high res as far as I know. About proper daps, there is AK products and iBasso DX100 / R10 (Japanese DX100). They play all the high res you can find. Also iHIFI960 but it is like iDevice, it doesn't do high res I think.

 

I personally wish James from FiiO to reconsider optical output option in his new coming reference level DAP X5. He already mentioned there will be coaxial out but he is usually listening to his customers and paying attention what do they want. So maybe if there is an enough pressure/demand, he can consider adding an optical output into X5 and all my questions will be solved.

 

X5 will play 24/192 in case you are wondering.

 

Thank you to each of you for responding to my inquiry.

 

For non-laptop uses, we have tablets or Android devices with USB, but they don't stream hi res without downsampling, IIUC.

Otherwise, to have a two-piece rig; there are AK 100 (USD 700), AK120 (USD 1300)  and iBasso DX100 (USD 830), add the HiFi M8 (USD 700), and the two-piece rig is USD1400-to-2000.

 

Yikes!

 

Or, 

 

a three-piece rig with a portable DAC that has SPDIF output, and transport;  Any suggestions for a hi-res transport that accepts streams and portable DAC? 

 

(uh oh, maybe I need to move this to a different thread, this one is for impressions.)


Edited by Angular Mo - 9/2/13 at 4:17am
post #415 of 1245
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Originally Posted by mikemercer View Post

I had a great headphone geek-out/personal audio evangelist moment last night at this house party I was DJing at

and it included my CEntrance HiFi-M8!

 

My friends had a bonfire going at one point.  There were people with guitars and drums in this other area.  It was a night full of live stuff

from good friends and the vibe was positive.  After the live music winded down there I pulled out my HiFi-M8 (iPod Classic as source )

and Audeze LCD3's (via a prototype cable I'm working with somebody on).  I promised a few friends that I'd "blow their minds with a headphone

experience they never dreamed possible."  None of them are audiophiles or even headphone enthusiasts.  They're artists and also love music.

 

I heard some amazing feedback.  My friend Lavender for example (who also sung and played drums that night) told me that it was

the first time she'd ever heard a headphone system that "washed over me like this" and she described the "three-dimensionality of the

sound" - HER words.  Another guy I didn't know told me "you just made my Sony's sound like complete S__" "I love you and I hate

you".  LOL

 

But my friend Eddie said something that just blew my mind.  Now, consider the fact that it was late, and I was all pumped up hearing

these people react like MAD to this portable rig!  I played Eddie some Nosaj Thing, James Blake, Eskmo, and ended his short listening

sesh with Radiohead's "Everything in it's Right Place" off there mesmerizing Kid A record...

 

He started talking to me about the sound.  He said it sounded like a "50k stereo system strapped to my head" and he said "the whole

experience was also very personal"! I said wah?  LOL  I asked him if he ever heard me say "personal audio"?  He said no.  I told

him that was so freaky because, I said, IF you could give a name to this big game we're all involved in, it's personal audio!  I just found

it fascinating that he chose that word specifically.  When I asked him why it was "personal" he said it was "more meditative and grounding"

than listening to music "echoing in a room."  And he's a bass player.

 

I also had a moment of pride there, admittedly, because I sat in on the brainstorming sessions when I worked at CEntrance that birthed

their marketing anthem Making Audio Personal!  

 

A GREAT time turning people onto better sound through tools they can relate to, even if they've never seen ANYTHING like it before

(bigger headphones or a DAC/headphone amp).  They picked up how to use the HiFi-M8 INSTANTLY!!

 

Listening to my Audeze LCD3's while sitting around a campfire - WOW

Thanks CEntrance HiFi-M8!! Sounds like a soap commercial...

 

It was MAGICAL

What a great night, Mike! I enjoy shocking my friends with great audio as well. There is nothing like the reaction of someone who has never heard great personal audio before. You are an ambassador for sound.

 

beerchug.gif

post #416 of 1245
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Originally Posted by longbowbbs View Post

What a great night, Mike! I enjoy shocking my friends with great audio as well. There is nothing like the reaction of someone who has never heard great personal audio before. You are an ambassador for sound

beerchug.gif
Mike, agreed, it sounds like a great night. I picture you more as an evangelist of personal audio. Kind of like John the Baptist standing by the river with a HIFI-M8 and a pair of LCD3's, showing what is possible if one would cast off the ibuds and Believe! Baptism by audio, let the music wash over you and cleanse your soul.

(Note - no sacrilege intended. No disrespect meant to Christians or non-Christians. I find a strong connection between music and the soul. I also like to have a bit of fun with Mr. Mercer. Please don't take offense. )
post #417 of 1245
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Originally Posted by aamefford View Post

Quote:
Originally Posted by longbowbbs View Post

What a great night, Mike! I enjoy shocking my friends with great audio as well. There is nothing like the reaction of someone who has never heard great personal audio before. You are an ambassador for sound

beerchug.gif
Mike, agreed, it sounds like a great night. I picture you more as an evangelist of personal audio. Kind of like John the Baptist standing by the river with a HIFI-M8 and a pair of LCD3's, showing what is possible if one would cast off the ibuds and Believe! Baptism by audio, let the music wash over you and cleanse your soul.

(Note - no sacrilege intended. No disrespect meant to Christians or non-Christians. I find a strong connection between music and the soul. I also like to have a bit of fun with Mr. Mercer. Please don't take offense. )

heh heh... Manna from Mike!

post #418 of 1245
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Originally Posted by AmberOzL View Post

I lost my interest after the video.

 

Made for on/over ear headphones. Hiss with iems. Not powerful like M8. Also it is neutral but it has a slight coloration. I prefer M8 and color my music with the switches if I ever want to. I don't like colored amps.

 

It has a great battery life though. I like their little touches. Still not enough for me, M8 is the winner.

 

I think you placed the emphasis of the video entirely wrong and overstating it. Jude was offering nothing more than his take on the respective sound signatures. Your statement, with respect, makes no sense because you begin by saying you like neutrality and then book-end it by saying you like tone control. What now. It is fine that you like the way Centrance have implemented tone-control but your wants are somewhat conflicting

post #419 of 1245
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Originally Posted by LFC_SL View Post

 

I think you placed the emphasis of the video entirely wrong and overstating it. Jude was offering nothing more than his take on the respective sound signatures. Your statement, with respect, makes no sense because you begin by saying you like neutrality and then book-end it by saying you like tone control. What now. It is fine that you like the way Centrance have implemented tone-control but your wants are somewhat conflicting

I think AmberOzl's point was, if he ever wants to add color to his music, the M8 can do that, while being neutral by default.

That said, it's probably too early  to say how much color does the Theorem add and what kind of synergy does it have with anything etc. etc.

Anyway, this was a thread for the M8 impressions (yes, I keep forgetting it myself).

post #420 of 1245

I feel iOS USB playback is the future of Hi-Fi.  I'm saving $$$ for a M8.

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