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post #1 of 41
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Hello Guys!
1) I really need your help in the huge dilemma of choice of headphones to my Hi-Fi portable player.
I used to have Beyerdynamics T5p, but it had problem with jack, so retail returned me money.
Recently I have been in audiophile shop and have listened Grado RS 2i and compared it with Beyerdynamics T1 and T5p. Well even though this model of Grado is not premium, but it beats up both beyers, so I recognized that I need open headphones.
I identified models which I wanted before when I chose T5p and here they are: Sennheiser HD800, Audez e LCD-2, Grado PS 1000, HIFIMAN HE-6.


I listen Classic, Church liturgy, instrumental, jazz~ "natural" music, not hip-hop, rock or pop. I do not really care for Bass, but i really care about vocal, piano and strings. 

I really need your help guys in advising which one is better in my situation. I will buy only one headphones.
 

2) I live in Ottawa, Ontario, Canada - can somebody advice me shops where I can actually listen for those headphones? 
 

Hope to find help here!

 

Blessings!

post #2 of 41
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Originally Posted by RuFrost View Post

Hello Guys!
1) I really need your help in the huge dilemma of choice of headphones to my Hi-Fi portable player.
I used to have Beyerdynamics T5p, but it had problem with jack, so retail returned me money.
Recently I have been in audiophile shop and have listened Grado RS 2i and compared it with Beyerdynamics T1 and T5p. Well even though this model of Grado is not premium, but it beats up both beyers, so I recognized that I need open headphones.
I identified models which I wanted before when I chose T5p and here they are: Sennheiser HD800, Audez e LCD-2, Grado PS 1000, HIFIMAN HE-6.


I listen Classic, Church liturgy, instrumental, jazz~ "natural" music, not hip-hop, rock or pop. I do not really care for Bass, but i really care about vocal, piano and strings. 

I really need your help guys in advising which one is better in my situation. I will buy only one headphones.
 

2) I live in Ottawa, Ontario, Canada - can somebody advice me shops where I can actually listen for those headphones? 
 

Hope to find help here!

 

Blessings!

Well if you don't really care for bass, you should rule the Audeze LCD-2 & 3 out. I don't have any, but people say that Sennheiser HD800 is very good for classical though they may be a bit bright.   

post #3 of 41

Don't consider the HE6 or HD800's for a portable set up.

Both headphones are to revealing and demanding to be used efectively in a portable setup IMO. Also the HE6's need far more power than a portable amp could give.

post #4 of 41
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Originally Posted by nigeljames View Post

Don't consider the HE6 or HD800's for a portable set up.

Both headphones are to revealing and demanding to be used efectively in a portable setup IMO. Also the HE6's need far more power than a portable amp could give.

Yeah, the HE-6 is very hard to drive properly and they both don't have much is any isolation which isn't ideal for portable use. 

post #5 of 41
Thread Starter 

Then now task is much easier. HE-6 is excluded. 
But about HD800 - the are many Russian audiophiles who uses this tandem = Colorfly C4 Pro + HD 800 and claims that it is the best headphones for this player relative to music and styles I mentioned. Also I was told that LCD-2 is not good for portable use. I mean that all potential they handle is not going to be opened in any portative device. 
So far no comments about Grado. Interesting)

post #6 of 41
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Originally Posted by RuFrost View Post

Then now task is much easier. HE-6 is excluded. 
But about HD800 - the are many Russian audiophiles who uses this tandem = Colorfly C4 Pro + HD 800 and claims that it is the best headphones for this player relative to music and styles I mentioned. Also I was told that LCD-2 is not good for portable use. I mean that all potential they handle is not going to be opened in any portative device. 
So far no comments about Grado. Interesting)

Open headphones have next to zero isolation and re not good for portable use. I would recommend the HD800 as well, but the C4 really can't drive them to their full potential. 

post #7 of 41
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Originally Posted by lin0003 View Post

Open headphones have next to zero isolation and re not good for portable use. I would recommend the HD800 as well, but the C4 really can't drive them to their full potential. 


The thing is I'm not going to use this pair outside of my home or in the noisy places or where I can destruct people by my music. By the way, listening of music in any noisy places with any kind of headphones even closed is useless, because isolation works only partly for your ears, but not for your absolute perception of sound. T5p is one of the best headphones in the way of isolation, but I still could not listen music in the plains, airports, buses, universities... I want enjoy music, not to divide joy with some random sounds from the outside environment.

1) Relative to HD800 - why do you think that Colorfly C4 pro cannot drive them to their full potential? This is the best portable Hi-End player ever made on the Earth, even right now. There are opponents like Ibasso DX100 and HIFIMAN 801, but in comparison to C4 they loose in my personal perception in the sphere of natural music.

2) Why do you prefer HD800 over Grado PS1000?

post #8 of 41
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Originally Posted by RuFrost View Post

Recently I have been in audiophile shop and have listened Grado RS 2i and compared it with Beyerdynamics T1 and T5p. Well even though this model of Grado is not premium, but it beats up both beyers, so I recognized that I need open headphones.

 

Hi Rufrost, what we need to know is did you listen to these headphones through your Colorfly? In what environment will you be using your C4 setup? If it's outside the HD800s and any open headphones will not sound as good as closed sealed headphones, I would say that for me in ear moniters sound the best even compared to closed over the ear phones if you're using them outside. they're more isolating and more comfortable both of which pulls the music through
post #9 of 41
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Originally Posted by lin0003 View Post

Well if you don't really care for bass, you should rule the Audeze LCD-2 & 3 out. I don't have any, but people say that Sennheiser HD800 is very good for classical though they may be a bit bright.   

 

I would strongly agree with the above. I am worried ref the sound from my hifiman 601 direct to my hd800 - its early days yet I can't seem to stop the HD800 from sounding slightly harsh when played in this way
post #10 of 41
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Originally Posted by RuFrost View Post


The thing is I'm not going to use this pair outside of my home or in the noisy places or where I can destruct people by my music. By the way, listening of music in any noisy places with any kind of headphones even closed is useless, because isolation works only partly for your ears, but not for your absolute perception of sound. T5p is one of the best headphones in the way of isolation, but I still could not listen music in the plains, airports, buses, universities... I want enjoy music, not to divide joy with some random sounds from the outside environment.

1) Relative to HD800 - why do you think that Colorfly C4 pro cannot drive them to their full potential? This is the best portable Hi-End player ever made on the Earth, even right now. There are opponents like Ibasso DX100 and HIFIMAN 801, but in comparison to C4 they loose in my personal perception in the sphere of natural music.

2) Why do you prefer HD800 over Grado PS1000?

For classical, not many headphones except maybe the Stax SR-009 beats it. Of course, they are going to sound better out of a "budget" desktop DAC and amp such as the Schiit Gungnir and Mojolnr. If you do get a desktop amp and dac, do consider going balanced as it does improve sound quality. As for the C4, I personally prefer my HDP-R10 (japanese improved version of the DX100) to it, but that is just IMO. 

post #11 of 41
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Originally Posted by RuFrost View Post


The thing is I'm not going to use this pair outside of my home or in the noisy places or where I can destruct people by my music. By the way, listening of music in any noisy places with any kind of headphones even closed is useless, because isolation works only partly for your ears, but not for your absolute perception of sound. T5p is one of the best headphones in the way of isolation, but I still could not listen music in the plains, airports, buses, universities... I want enjoy music, not to divide joy with some random sounds from the outside environment.

1) Relative to HD800 - why do you think that Colorfly C4 pro cannot drive them to their full potential? This is the best portable Hi-End player ever made on the Earth, even right now. There are opponents like Ibasso DX100 and HIFIMAN 801, but in comparison to C4 they loose in my personal perception in the sphere of natural music.

2) Why do you prefer HD800 over Grado PS1000?

 

A good answer rufrost, I understand what you mean about visual and partial sound distractions . The listening environment will work for open headphones but I have no experience with the C4 and the HD800 and lack experience listening to the Rs2i and HE6. You must try all the different combinations and see which one has the magic for you . And tell us , it'll add to the mix
post #12 of 41
Hi,
I myself use my Colorfly C4 Pro paired with some Monster Turbine Pro Copper Editions as the Copper's give a nice tight not over the top Bass with ultra clarity in the mids & highs too... Don't consider the Turbine Pro Gold Editions as they have a heavier Bass. I can also vouch if you use the Monster Foam Supertips that they virtually block out all outside noise & most importantly will not annoy any1 near to you as they barely leak any sound at all. I have tried a good few Cans with my C4 & IMHO the Turbine Copper Pros excell with Flacs etc... On the C4...

So if privacy is a concern the Coppers work a treat paired with the Foam Supertips friend.

Hope this helps.
post #13 of 41

I'm definately a Grado fan, especially the PS1000, but they are anything but portable, they're very heavy and most of their weight is on the ''outside'' of the headphones, wich make it even worst, they're is also the fact that they're open back, so sound leakage can be a problem.

post #14 of 41
It doesn't matter about leakage rufrost is only interested in sound quality. Which makes life easier. I personally think you should get to have a long listen to HD800 against your current favourite rs2i with the p1000 thrown In and the gs1000 too. I am curious as to why the rs2i was to yojr taste because the signature grado sound from the cans I've heard are all about creating an exciting wall of sound with driving bass and strident highs. That sound in a one off situation has an immediacy but to my ears I've preferred the elegance and articulation of the hd800. The bass and treble and mids were better on my lcd2's than the hd800s but I sold them because I could follow the music better on my hd800s.
Does that help?
post #15 of 41
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Originally Posted by stacker45 View Post

I'm definately a Grado fan, especially the PS1000, but they are anything but portable, they're very heavy and most of their weight is on the ''outside'' of the headphones, wich make it even worst, they're is also the fact that they're open back, so sound leakage can be a problem.

 

Finally some Grado user))
1) Well, the thing definition of portability is different for all people. I live in Russia and in Ottawa, so I cannot have steady equipment, so I must use the best analogs I have. It does not matter how heavy headphones are and that they are opened, because I'm going to use them in the places with lack of noise and people. 

2) The only thing I care about is music and whether those headphones will be the best out of any mentioned of others which are not mentioned, but in the prices of those which mentioned.

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Originally Posted by itsmejulieeye View Post

Hi,
I myself use my Colorfly C4 Pro paired with some Monster Turbine Pro Copper Editions as the Copper's give a nice tight not over the top Bass with ultra clarity in the mids & highs too... Don't consider the Turbine Pro Gold Editions as they have a heavier Bass. I can also vouch if you use the Monster Foam Supertips that they virtually block out all outside noise & most importantly will not annoy any1 near to you as they barely leak any sound at all. I have tried a good few Cans with my C4 & IMHO the Turbine Copper Pros excell with Flacs etc... On the C4...

So if privacy is a concern the Coppers work a treat paired with the Foam Supertips friend.

Hope this helps.

 

Hello!
1) Good to hear that I'm not the only one who uses C4 Pro))
2) Thank you for your response and description of tandem that you use, it is very good experience for me to hear another opinions about headphones related to C4 Pro.
3) Unfortunately, I personally do not like in ear headphones - a) Incomparable quality with full-ear headphones. b) It is very uncomfortable for me to use them and feel something in my ears which is not part of my body. In addition, my ears getting tired very fast with in ear headphones.
 

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Originally Posted by Takeanidea View Post

 

A good answer rufrost, I understand what you mean about visual and partial sound distractions . The listening environment will work for open headphones but I have no experience with the C4 and the HD800 and lack experience listening to the Rs2i and HE6. You must try all the different combinations and see which one has the magic for you . And tell us , it'll add to the mix

I'm not going to consider HE-6 as everybody on Russian and English forums tell me that for portable use they are useless - they need a lot of power and so on. RS2i is like budget BMW, but I need Top of the Mersedes, you know what I'm saying?))   

 

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Originally Posted by lin0003 View Post

For classical, not many headphones except maybe the Stax SR-009 beats it. Of course, they are going to sound better out of a "budget" desktop DAC and amp such as the Schiit Gungnir and Mojolnr. If you do get a desktop amp and dac, do consider going balanced as it does improve sound quality. As for the C4, I personally prefer my HDP-R10 (japanese improved version of the DX100) to it, but that is just IMO. 

I understand what you are saying. HDP-R10 very interesting choice!

 

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Originally Posted by Takeanidea View Post

 

Hi Rufrost,what we need to know is did you listen to these headphones through your Colorfly? In what environment will you be using your C4 setup? If it's outside the HD800s and any open headphones will not sound as good as closed sealed headphones, I would say that for me in ear moniters sound the best even compared to closed over the ear phones if you're using them outside. they're more isolating and more comfortable both of which pulls the music through


Hello, Takeanidea!
1) I listen those headphones through my Colorfly.
2) I think in the home or in the quiet places such as branches in the parks or walking in the forests for example))

3) I do not consider in ear monitors as they are not comfortable for me and personally I consider them dangerous for ears.

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