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I currently have the Ultrasone IQ and recently returned the UE900 and SM64. Just when I began to believe that trying to top the SE535 was fruitless, another prospect comes along (and from Shure itself no less). Bring it onksc75smile.gif.....

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Originally Posted by Inks View Post

Shure's S535 is not a good performer for it's price, heck not even at the 150$ price range, Shure will have to make a huge leap from it

Having owned the W4r, 535 bronze and the Triple Fi previously, I find the 535 SE to be the best for my taste. Beautiful sound is in the ear of the beholder.
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Shure's S535 is not a good performer for it's price, heck not even at the 150$ price range, Shure will have to make a huge leap from it

 

Agree with spook.  Have never regretted the purchase of my SE535 Special Eds - and they are well worth what I paid.

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I'm guessing this is a dynamic/ba hybrid. 

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Originally Posted by spook76 View Post

Having owned the W4r, 535 bronze and the Triple Fi previously, I find the 535 SE to be the best for my taste. Beautiful sound is in the ear of the beholder.

 W4 is way above the SE535 in pure performance [more bandwidth, less prone to impedance changes, versatile in insertion depth], personal taste is another matter. Heck  the triple fi 10 is better, if the TF10's dampers were replacable you can tune it to be just like a SE535 with more soundstage and bandwidth...

 

I am making the case for pure technical performance, the SE535 is too aged, I don't know what Shure was thinking, thinking they can get away with marginal improvement from the SE530. 


Edited by Inks - 5/5/13 at 9:46pm
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Is this based on measurements again ? Have you listened to them ? Owned them ? This argument of the se530 and 535 being overpriced and bla and bla is old and rehashed it is a must say for anyone wanting to sound audiophile and / or controversial. I have many high en iems and still think the se535 sound great. As do many friends, and our ears are as valid as any. I know I know roll off and bla and bla. Try to get away from these tired discussions and be positive. Being constantly critical and sceptical is not "cool".
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Originally Posted by Inks View Post

 W4 is way above the SE535 in pure performance [more bandwidth, less prone to impedance changes, versatile in insertion depth], personal taste is another matter. Heck  the triple fi 10 is better, if the TF10's dampers were replacable you can tune it to be just like a SE535 with more soundstage and bandwidth...

I am making the case for pure technical performance, the SE535 is too aged, I don't know what Shure was thinking, thinking they can get away with marginal improvement from the SE530. 
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Originally Posted by Mimouille View Post

Is this based on measurements again ? Have you listened to them ? Owned them ? This argument of the se530 and 535 being overpriced and bla and bla is old and rehashed it is a must say for anyone wanting to sound audiophile and / or controversial. I have many high en iems and still think the se535 sound great. As do many friends, and our ears are as valid as any. I know I know roll off and bla and bla. Try to get away from these tired discussions and be positive. Being constantly critical and sceptical is not "cool".

I have had them in my possession on two occasions, it is what it is, technically poor outdated design. 

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In YOUR opinion.
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I have had them in my possession on two occasions, it is what it is, technically poor outdated design. 
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Based on technical effeciency, yes based on graphs. My opinion or that of others is scewed by biases, I can like apple earbuds as much as these and be right because taste is purely subjective. If you want to rate technical effiicienty, cold hard data is the way to do it. 

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And the point being ? Is the goal not musical enjoyement ? Actually, forget it. I think we have different approaches and it will not lead anywhere smily_headphones1.gif
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Based on technical effeciency, yes based on graphs. My opinion or that of others is scewed by biases, I can like apple earbuds as much as these and be right because taste is purely subjective. If you want to rate technical effiicienty, cold hard data is the way to do it. 
post #86 of 204
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Based on technical effeciency, yes based on graphs. My opinion or that of others is scewed by biases, I can like apple earbuds as much as these and be right because taste is purely subjective. If you want to rate technical effiicienty, cold hard data is the way to do it. 

 

Funny - because the 535 square wave in particular have been lauded in the past because they are so good -  http://www.innerfidelity.com/images/ShureSEseries.pdf

 

Further - Tyll still regards the 535 very highly - and it remains on his wall of fame.

 

Technically and aesthetically Tyll found them extremely good - actually saying that it's one of the best - short of going to customs.  Here is a quote from his article (http://www.innerfidelity.com/content/shure-ear-series-se215-se315-se425-and-se535):

 

 

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Ahhh! Someone slipped liquid gold into my ears! The genies at Shure did some real magic here. A look at the squarewave response will show that they’re playing some interesting games with the tweeter crossover to speed up transitions and it certainly shows up in the sound of these cans. The highs are airy and deep, mids are pure gold, and the low end is bottomless. Short of spending the big bucks on a pair of JH13 custom earphones, these are the best sounding universal fit in-ear headphone I’ve experienced. Highly, highly recommended.

 

 

Now - I get that they're not your 'cup of tea' - but saying they're old design (the 535 were released in 2009 I think), and that they're technically inferior (the graphs actually tell a different story) - is incorrect based on the actual data.

 

Of course - you're free to dislike them - that's an opinion

post #87 of 204

The E500/SE530 is one of my favorite IEMs that I still own since 07/08 :) Still sounds amazing but darn wiring and the plastic is meh.

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Funny - because the 535 square wave in particular have been lauded in the past because they are so good -  http://www.innerfidelity.com/images/ShureSEseries.pdf


Further - Tyll still regards the 535 very highly - and it remains on his wall of fame.

Technically and aesthetically Tyll found them extremely good - actually saying that it's one of the best - short of going to customs.  Here is a quote from his article (http://www.innerfidelity.com/content/shure-ear-series-se215-se315-se425-and-se535
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Now - I get that they're not your 'cup of tea' - but saying they're old design (the 535 were released in 2009 I think), and that they're technically inferior (the graphs actually tell a different story) - is incorrect based on the actual data.

Of course - you're free to dislike them - that's an opinion

First off square waves are too subtle and based mostly on approximations based on two frequency points, mostly useless CSD will give you a more complete story. ADDIEMs still have a better square wave and they're not even half the cost.

I actually liked the tonality of the 535, but the performance is simply lacking, the iem can't even reach 16khz and doesn't go any deeper than your average BA. Not to mention picky about impedance and insertion depth :/. I am glad Shure is going for a real upgrade this time...
Edited by Inks - 5/6/13 at 2:20am
post #89 of 204
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Originally Posted by imackler View Post

I'm guessing this is a dynamic/ba hybrid. 

 

I wouldn't be surprised if it is actually based on Moving Coil Armature (like Grado GR10 or Ortofon e-Q5/7) or just as I mention before 3-way BA.

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First off square waves are too subtle and based mostly on approximations based on two frequency points, mostly useless CSD will give you a more complete story. ADDIEMs still have a better square wave and they're not even half the cost.

I actually liked the tonality of the 535, but the performance is simply lacking, the iem can't even reach 16khz and doesn't go any deeper than your average BA. Not to mention picky about impedance and insertion depth :/. I am glad Shure is going for a real upgrade this time...

 

You pointed to the graphs - I gave you graphed info - it measures well.  The only CSD I can find so far for the 535s are here (http://rinchoi.blogspot.co.nz/2013/05/shure-se535.html?) - and even they don't look too bad - the decay is not catastrophic.  Do you have other graphs (maybe something from Purrin?

 

Unfortunately I can't comment on the impedance - I use an iPod G4 and an iPhone4 - both are very low impedance - so no issues for me personally.

 

Regarding 16Khz - I have the Asian SE535 Special Editions - and they do scale much further - and will play tones above 16KHz.

 

If it's any consolation - I think an update to the standard 535s is a good thing - because the biggest issue I had with them was the rolled off highs.  But I still maintain that the 535 remains a good IEM, is technically proficient, and for the lovers of the Shure 'house sound' (and I am unabashedly a Shure sound signature fan) - it has a sonic signature that is relatively unique.

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