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post #91 of 615

Thanks for the pics and impressions!  Really nice box.  So, it would seem  from the few initial impressions that this is really a specialist master for classical, vocal, and maybe jazz music but may not for pop/rock/anything electronic... eager to try it and subscribed here to track its progress!  Looking forward to those lucky few who got it to post more detailed impressions/comparison/synergy with DAP/DAC/AMP.

post #92 of 615

Really curious to know if these essentially make the F111 obsolete (price notwithstanding).. Anyone who can demo these in Japan itself? Since that backorder is gonna be there for a loooooooooooooooooong time...

post #93 of 615

Hi guys,

 

I'm too busy with my final exam today, so maybe i'll give you impression about Parterre vs Flat4-Sui tomorrow , and more impression about fitear parterre pair with leckerton uha-6s

@: maybe i'll get a pair of F111 soon ^^

 

Cheers ^^


Edited by LyPForever - 5/20/13 at 8:53am
post #94 of 615
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Originally Posted by LyPForever View Post

Hi guys,

 

I'm too busy with my final exam today, so maybe i'll give you impression about Parterre vs Flat4-Sui tomorrow , and more impression about fitear parterre pair with leckerton uha-6s

@: maybe i'll get a pair of F111 soon ^^

 

Cheers ^^

Looking forward to the impression!

post #95 of 615

http://www.itmedia.co.jp/lifestyle/articles/1305/20/news085.html

 

BTW, I have a good idea of what the Parterre is using for its drivers, but I need to do some fact-checking before I actually can declare what it is. If LyPF can throw an ohmmeter across the Parterre, it'd help me a lot in ascertaining my guess, but for now, let's respect Suyama-san's wishes and just listen to the sound.

post #96 of 615
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http://www.itmedia.co.jp/lifestyle/articles/1305/20/news085.html

 

BTW, I have a good idea of what the Parterre is using for its drivers, but I need to do some fact-checking before I actually can declare what it is. If LyPF can throw an ohmmeter across the Parterre, it'd help me a lot in ascertaining my guess, but for now, let's respect Suyama-san's wishes and just listen to the sound.

A DMM might not help much considering Suyuma-san's habit of dampening the woofer. Anyway I can pretty much tell which tweeter utilized in the Parterre, the troubling part is the other driver. I can only come up with 2 atm but there's a chance Suyuma-san tried something completely different this time.

post #97 of 615
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Originally Posted by tranhieu View Post  A DMM might not help much considering Suyuma-san's habit of dampening the woofer. Anyway I can pretty much tell which tweeter utilized in the Parterre, the troubling part is the other driver. I can only come up with 2 atm but there's a chance Suyuma-san tried something completely different this time.


If he's using what I think he is, then there should be zero passive components on the woofer. Remember, there's only one output spout, not that many possibilities; a manifold design isn't what's going on here...

post #98 of 615
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If he's using what I think he is, then there should be zero passive components on the woofer. Remember, there's only one output spout, not that many possibilities; a manifold design isn't what's going on here...


Well yah. If that's the case it'd be easy to figure out the woofer driver.

 

I can't see the link between having single spout and the driver choices here. He might as well group the 2 nozzles into the same tubing like what Westone and Shure (except for the new se846) have been doing for years. Though that kind of config has many shortcomings compared to having multiple transmission paths.


Edited by tranhieu - 5/20/13 at 11:36pm
post #99 of 615
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Well yah. If that's the case it'd be easy to figure out the woofer driver.

 

I can't see the link between having single spout and the driver choices here. He might as well group the 2 nozzles into the same tubing like what Westone and Shure (except for the new se846) have been doing for years. Though that kind of config has many shortcomings compared to having multiple transmission paths.


Yeah, a manifold design isn't ideal. I say it's a single spout because of their design philosophy; unless it's two of the same driver, FitEar never merges them into a single tube (well, except when the ears are too small, which doesn't apply for a universal. Also, all the publications have said that the tweeter has a high-pass, while the low is a purely acoustic low-pass. That points to a certain brand new Sonion assembly that is gaining traction amongst companies...

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Yeah, a manifold design isn't ideal. I say it's a single spout because of their design philosophy; unless it's two of the same driver, FitEar never merges them into a single tube (well, except when the ears are too small, which doesn't apply for a universal. Also, all the publications have said that the tweeter has a high-pass, while the low is a purely acoustic low-pass. That points to a certain brand new Sonion assembly that is gaining traction amongst companies...


That kind of network has been exercised for... I don't know how long lol, in fact I can count on 1 hand the number of companies out there that actually design a dedicated low pass for their woofers, and I'm pretty sure FitEar isn't among them, at least they didn't design a low pass xo for the tg/mh334, mh335 and monet.

 

Sonion's new offering is indeed a possibility. There's this guy who works for Sonion factory here told me there was some magic added when they couple the 2 single transducers, Sonion has made their first move into the IEM market (a bit late actually).


Edited by tranhieu - 5/21/13 at 1:00am
post #101 of 615
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Originally Posted by tranhieu View Post  That kind of network has been exercised for... I don't know how long lol, in fact I can count on 1 hand the number of companies out there that actually design a dedicated low pass for their woofers, and I'm pretty sure FitEar isn't among them, at least they didn't design a low pass xo for the tg/mh334, mh335 and monet. Sonion's new offering is indeed a possibility. There's this guy who works for Sonion factory here told me there was some magic added when they couple the 2 single transducers, Sonion has made their first move into the IEM market (a bit late actually).

 

Yeah, I just meant that if there isn't any additional resistance added to the lows, then they would either have to use a pinhole tube or use Sonion's new assembly, so the latter possibility is much more likely. If they decided to use the titanium horn, then it's likely to be coupled directly to the drivers, without additional tubing.

 

I wouldn't say "first move"; in the past, they've just preferred to work with big corporate accounts. They did some interesting stuff with Klipsch in the Custom series, and all their other accounts were with larger companies as well, UE, Shure, Phonak, etc. This is the first time they've decided to make something that even small companies could pick up and use with little to no modification. I just think it's two different strategies, between Sonion and Knowles. Sonion wants to completely engineer the solution for companies, while Knowles prefers to just provide the drivers and provide the technical support if necessary. For Knowles, the level of support is scalable, whereas you need a bigger initial commitment to go with Sonion. That's just the feeling I get from talking to people from both sides.

 

I do think this new product from Sonion is gonna be used in a lot of products in the future and has pretty good flexibility for derivative products as well. They're going to lure a lot of companies to them with this product. The timing of the Parterre is perfect; prior to 2013, there was no mention of a Parterre, only several rumors that they were working on a Monet derivative in universal form and with a different signature. The Parterre feels very, "Oooh, new drivers --- let's try putting it in a F111-like body --- perfect! On the first try, too! Off to the market we go, those Monet royalties we keep paying the animator cost a lot!"

post #102 of 615
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Originally Posted by tomscy2000 View Post

 

Yeah, I just meant that if there isn't any additional resistance added to the lows, then they would either have to use a pinhole tube or use Sonion's new assembly, so the latter possibility is much more likely. If they decided to use the titanium horn, then it's likely to be coupled directly to the drivers, without additional tubing.

 

I wouldn't say "first move"; in the past, they've just preferred to work with big corporate accounts. They did some interesting stuff with Klipsch in the Custom series, and all their other accounts were with larger companies as well, UE, Shure, Phonak, etc. This is the first time they've decided to make something that even small companies could pick up and use with little to no modification. I just think it's two different strategies, between Sonion and Knowles. Sonion wants to completely engineer the solution for companies, while Knowles prefers to just provide the drivers and provide the technical support if necessary. For Knowles, the level of support is scalable, whereas you need a bigger initial commitment to go with Sonion. That's just the feeling I get from talking to people from both sides.

 

I do think this new product from Sonion is gonna be used in a lot of products in the future and has pretty good flexibility for derivative products as well. They're going to lure a lot of companies to them with this product. The timing of the Parterre is perfect; prior to 2013, there was no mention of a Parterre, only several rumors that they were working on a Monet derivative in universal form and with a different signature. The Parterre feels very, "Oooh, new drivers --- let's try putting it in a F111-like body --- perfect! On the first try, too! Off to the market we go, those Monet royalties we keep paying the animator cost a lot!"

No, it's possible to tune the woofer/tweeter separately with passive components even if it's truly that new design that FitEar's using, and I think it's very unlikely Suyama-san will simply go with a stock option, seeing how creative he's been so far (and it would look more like a ripoff to me if he doesn't make any change electronically). Moreover the tweeter in the TG334 is also plugged into a non-metal tubing (silicone?), then comes the titanium tube. I think it's too early to say which drivers go into the Parterre without solid evidences.

 

By 'first move' I was referring to technical aspects, since we all know that the TWFK has been around for a good while, while Sonion hasn't taken any serious step up to now. Sure they are great in terms of supporting for start-up companies. However there're not that many models of theirs being put into good use in the end compared to Knowles'. I also hope this new one will perform just as well as the TWFK, and if your guess is spot on we will see loads of great IEMs in the near future, with the Parterre in the lead.


Edited by tranhieu - 5/21/13 at 4:37am
post #103 of 615

 

 

Hi all, as I promised yesterday , i'll post impression about Fitear Parterre ( stock cable 001 ) vs Flat4-Sui ........ Sigh, my exam finally over :)

 

In general , the Fitear parterre has fuller sound , smoother sounding while the Sui is brighter, much dryer and has V-shape sounding......... The Parterre's treble is smoother a slightly thicker compare to the Sui, Sui has a bit better treble's extention and thinner, brighter sound but easier to feel fatigue after listen for a while with some people ........ Parterre has much smoother mid , excellent in vocal ( sound sig of Fitear brand ) , Parterre also has much more forward mid and I heard no sibilance while the Sui has dryer mid and has sibilance which I found it's very annoying when listen to vocal tracks ........... For bass part, the Sui has more bass and go down a bit lower than the Parterre , The Parterre has a bit tighter bass and very focus

Both has excellent details and vast soundstage , I found the Parterre has slightly more details than the Sui , the Parterre has a bit wider soundstage while the Sui has slightly better depth presentation , the Parterre is more comfortable and has better isolation compare to the Sui. ( the Parterre require deeper insertion than Sui )

 

Overall , I prefer the Parterre than the Sui because the Parterre has more balance sounding ............. but the Sui is still unbeatable in that price range ( ~ $350 ) or even some $500 $600 iem.  In my opinion,  the Parterre is outstanding for classical , jazz , symphony and vocal and can handle well pop tracks  ............I don't think its suitable for anyone love dance , hip hop ............ However its still my opinion and preference ........ it's all I can help ^^

 

Anyway, i tried the uha-6s with the parterre this morning, sound pretty good :))

 


Edited by LyPForever - 5/21/13 at 11:43am
post #104 of 615

Looks like the Parterre sounds like the Miracles ?

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Looks like the Parterre sounds like the Miracles ?

I don't think so, the miracle has more sub-bass than the parterre, I prefer mid on parterre to miracle, and The Parterre also has better treble extention than miracle ..........seem like the miracle emphasize the bass more than the Parterre


Edited by LyPForever - 5/21/13 at 11:14am
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