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post #1096 of 1134

I would say that if you aren't experiencing any audible problems with USB then you likely don't need it.  If you want some Wyrd Schiit then go for it.

post #1097 of 1134
I can only think of 3 reasons that you would want to purchase a Wyrd:

1. You are getting pops, clicks, or other obvious issues with the USB connection.

2. You need a powered hub such as when connecting a DAC to a cell phone to provide power to a USB powered DAC.

3. Because you just have to own every affordable Schiit product that comes out whether you need it or not. (I'm guilty of this one!)


I would not spend the money on it in hopes of it creating a wider sound stage, or better bass, or anything like that.
post #1098 of 1134
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Originally Posted by fenderf4i View Post

I can only think of 3 reasons that you would want to purchase a Wyrd:

1. You are getting pops, clicks, or other obvious issues with the USB connection.

2. You need a powered hub such as when connecting a DAC to a cell phone to provide power to a USB powered DAC.

3. Because you just have to own every affordable Schiit product that comes out whether you need it or not. (I'm guilty of this one!)


I would not spend the money on it in hopes of it creating a wider sound stage, or better bass, or anything like that.

Hey, you've just shattered many dreams with that last statement. :D

post #1099 of 1134

I had a major problem with my Yulong D100 DAC Mark 1 - optical connection works fine but the USB connection to my PC gave me audio that cuts out totally after 5 minutes of playing - nothing helped - including various ASIO configurations and using a self powered USB hub......I may try the WRYD - to see if it can solve the issue... 

post #1100 of 1134
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Originally Posted by fenderf4i View Post

I can only think of 3 reasons that you would want to purchase a Wyrd:

1. You are getting pops, clicks, or other obvious issues with the USB connection.

2. You need a powered hub such as when connecting a DAC to a cell phone to provide power to a USB powered DAC.

3. Because you just have to own every affordable Schiit product that comes out whether you need it or not. (I'm guilty of this one!)


I would not spend the money on it in hopes of it creating a wider sound stage, or better bass, or anything like that.

No to 1&2. Oh hell yes to 3. 

post #1101 of 1134
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Originally Posted by kothganesh View Post
 

No to 1&2. Oh hell yes to 3. 

What's one going to use a Wyrd for in Narak?

post #1102 of 1134
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Originally Posted by StanD View Post
 

What's one going to use a Wyrd for in Narak?

Dem's fighting words :biggrin:. But then Narak is a place where the weirdos hang out ! Honestly, it has no use now that I realize the USB implementation on the Bifrost and Gungnir are "first class" according to a Headphoneus Supremus. 

post #1103 of 1134
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Originally Posted by StanD View Post
 

What's one going to use a Wyrd for in Narak?

 

 

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Originally Posted by kothganesh View Post
 

Dem's fighting words :biggrin:. But then Narak is a place where the weirdos hang out ! Honestly, it has no use now that I realize the USB implementation on the Bifrost and Gungnir are "first class" according to a Headphoneus Supremus. 

I get first class accommodations in Narak, they even serve Ras Malai but don't have air-conditioning.

post #1104 of 1134
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I get first class accommodations in Narak, they even serve Ras Malai but don't have air-conditioning.

But the Ras Malai is served chilled right?

post #1105 of 1134
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Originally Posted by kothganesh View Post
 

But the Ras Malai is served chilled right?

That's the only thing chilled in town, other than the Bifrost DACs they provide.

post #1106 of 1134
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Originally Posted by fenderf4i View Post

I can only think of 3 reasons that you would want to purchase a Wyrd:

1. You are getting pops, clicks, or other obvious issues with the USB connection.

2. You need a powered hub such as when connecting a DAC to a cell phone to provide power to a USB powered DAC.

3. Because you just have to own every affordable Schiit product that comes out whether you need it or not. (I'm guilty of this one!)


I would not spend the money on it in hopes of it creating a wider sound stage, or better bass, or anything like that.


EXACTLY! >90% DO NOT need that thing and are just wasting money making Schiit richer.

post #1107 of 1134
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Originally Posted by Syan25 View Post
 

I had a major problem with my Yulong D100 DAC Mark 1 - optical connection works fine but the USB connection to my PC gave me audio that cuts out totally after 5 minutes of playing - nothing helped - including various ASIO configurations and using a self powered USB hub......I may try the WRYD - to see if it can solve the issue... 

Sounds like a driver issue to me.

post #1108 of 1134
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Originally Posted by ady1989 View Post
 

I contacted the folks at Schiit regarding my harshness issues - shrill highs and recessed mids and got an email back literally minutes later. Schiit confirmed that the sound will improve over time plus extending my return period by 15 days. And I'll be damned, I never in a thousand years though that sound on solid state hardware can change with time. Especially not THIS much. Read on to see how I came to this conclusion:

 

It went from being unusable (had to put the headphones down because it was actually hurting) to stomping the Xonar with LME49990's. I did all this testing in best way I could think of to eliminate placebo. I went and built myself an RCA switch box with 3 inputs and 3 outputs. AB tests don't lie (as much), especially when the difference was so dramatic. I got the volume levels between the STX and the Bifrost as close as I could and compared for a while. I'll go as far as to say I was hating the Bifrost sound. To make sure it was not just me hearing things I shut everything down and repeated the same test a few more times, on 3 different days. I heard the same unpleasant sound coming out of the DAC every time. This Schiit just won't do, but with the extra time to evaluate I had nothing to lose. Time to tuck it away and leave it playing music 24/7.

 

With 200+ hours on it, I did the same tests again recently. Not only was the vast difference gone, but the mids were where they should and the highs were not hurting! On top of that, the Bifrost sounded way better than the Xonar in bass tightness, soundstage, instrument separation, quieter... pretty much everything! So there you have it. I realize this is still far from scientific but I think with AB testing the variables are controlled enough to not make it placebo. Who knows, maybe the difference wasn't as big as it sounded like to me but I can't deny it still happened. This Schiit made me come to the conclusion that people here weren't crazy when they talked about DACs burning in.

 

Take this however you want, but one thing here is certain - I will deal with Schiit again in the future as their service is top notch as well as recommend them to anyone looking for great gear. My only remaining gripe with their gear is lack of a power switch up front, but it's only a minor issue. Cheers!

 

 

TL;DR: extensive AB testing suggest that there is such a thing as solid state burn in and Schiit has outstanding customer service

Your burn-in experience with the Bifrost mirrors mine 100%, it really was unlistenable for the first 50hrs and didn't fully settle down and open up until 200-300hrs.

 

But interestingly, my Uber Bifrost required zero burn-in, as straight out of the box it sounded exactly like the Uber unit I had on trial.

post #1109 of 1134

I did not have any issues with burn in however massive issues with drivers and compatibility could not get the DAC to work on USB 2.0 but it settled down on USB 3.0 

post #1110 of 1134
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Originally Posted by aamer23 View Post
 

I did not have any issues with burn in however massive issues with drivers and compatibility could not get the DAC to work on USB 2.0 but it settled down on USB 3.0 

 

It's normally the opposite.. and in my case it works best on a 3rd party (ASMedia) USB controller (oddly)...

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