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post #9601 of 19481
HS6 kit GET!

never expected such a small cable to make any difference, never believed a cable could make a difference, but it seems like it does.

post #9602 of 19481
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Originally Posted by CH23 View Post

HS6 kit GET!

never expected such a small cable to make any difference, never believed a cable could make a difference, but it seems like it does.

 

 

Looks nearly like mine except that I use the long rubber bands on the E12 to attach my (very)old 32Gb usb stick plugged through OTG. This is temporary while I wait until a 128Gb microSD become a sensible solution for Canadians. I currently have 64+32+32(OTG).

post #9603 of 19481
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Originally Posted by Nicolas2305 View Post

Looks nearly like mine except that I use the long rubber bands on the E12 to attach my (very)old 32Gb usb stick plugged through OTG. This is temporary while I wait until a 128Gb microSD become a sensible solution for Canadians. I currently have 64+32+32(OTG).

I was lucky twice when ordering my 64GB micro SD cards, both times they were €20 cheaper than usual. Still have about 32GB of free space to fill.
post #9604 of 19481
Has anybody got any news about FW updates as it's been a while since 2.0 was posted?
post #9605 of 19481
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Originally Posted by Flomet View Post

Has anybody got any news about FW updates as it's been a while since 2.0 was posted?


I'm wondering the same thing.. Not much movement on Bugzilla either.

post #9606 of 19481
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Originally Posted by jeffhmason View Post
 

 

I couldn't agree more.  I'm a bit amazed at the issues I've read about here as I've had none; no freezes, crashes, skips, noises, etc.  Paired with my PSB M4u1s, I think the sound quality is phenomenal.  I guess I'm more in the camp that tolerates a few bugs knowing a) how open and responsive (compared to other companies) Fiio has been with their customers and potential customers with this device b) that they continue to create firmware to improve the unit and c) that the firmware is modifiable so folks can tweak it somewhat to their liking.  I feel like I got a great DAP for the money (the latter part of this sentence is key).  I don't consider the unit to be inexpensive, but I definitely feel like I got my money's worth.  I'm hearing my music collection in a whole new way and enjoying a lot of high resolution content to boot!

Reading all the posts, right, wrong, funny, delusional, I realized that maybe the whole damn thing is down to perspective. 

 

Sitting in the office this morning, listening contentedly with my X5/UE900's combo to Telarc recordings,  I came to realize that most of the IEMs I use for portable listening cost about the same or MORE than this unit.  And to think the way that some of us tend to treat our former favorites at $$$$ each, makes me VERY satisfied with this little DAP. 

 

If another comes out in the future that blows this one away, I may upgrade and put this one in the "has-been" box in my home office.  :wink_face:

 

Steve

post #9607 of 19481
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Originally Posted by CH23 View Post


I was lucky twice when ordering my 64GB micro SD cards, both times they were €20 cheaper than usual. Still have about 32GB of free space to fill.

 

My library is about 160Gb (Give or take 5Gb) in FLAC ripped directly from CDs. I estimate that it grows about 10Gb per year. :rolleyes:

 

In my current state, the 128Gb (64+32+32) is not sufficient and I had to make choices when I synced. If/when I get a 128Gb microSD I should be good for two more years, Then I'll have to either upgrade the 64Gb microSD to 128Gb (should be fairly cheaper then) or re-connect storage through OTG.

 

So yeah, storage is a bit of a problem for me right now but I have faith in the solutions in front of me and future possibilities. Luckily, When I re-ripped my whole library about 2-3 years ago I did some research for the optimal ripping method and stopped on FLAC for my needs. Until I had the X5 I generated an alternate mp3 (VBR 256) library for my Zune directly from the FLACs in bulk (thanks to Media Monkey).

 

Baseline, when "building" a solution that you will use for years, take the time to search now to avoid headaches in the future.

post #9608 of 19481
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I'm wondering the same thing.. Not much movement on Bugzilla either.
Maybe Joe or James will see the post and give an update, I'm sure there are many of us that want to crush the bugs.
post #9609 of 19481

Has anyone else tried connecting a Sandisk Cruzer 32GB USB stick to the OTG?

 

I formatted it as FAT32 from the Win7 command line & had no problems copying music from my iMac.

 

The X5 recognizes it is connected is as much as when I disconnect it with the power on it says external storage has been removed.

 

When I update the media library it does not scan the OTG USB, & when I browse files for the OTG it has nothing.

 

 

Edit: I also tried a new 32GB micro SD card via the Meenova OTG connector. The X5 is not recognizing it.

 

@Duncan was there anything special you had to do to get yours working? Any settings you had to change/enable?

 

Edit 2: Finally figured out the problem, the reader was bad. It wouldn't even initialize when I connected it to my iMac. Good thing I bought 2 of them, the 2nd one is working great.


Edited by jbr1971 - 5/22/14 at 7:19pm
post #9610 of 19481
Hey they better not crush all the bugs else there will be nothing one can talk about in this thread smily_headphones1.gif
Like the old saying the grass is always greener on the other side of the fence, you should try a heavy dose of DX50 and DX90 bugs and firmware fixes to see how lucky you are. tongue_smile.gif

I hope everyone realized that Joe got sick recently so Bugzilla gotta wait, we don't want to loose the bug czar. Long live the debugger! Happy recovery @Joebloggs, not to worry Bugzilla is not going anywhere soon! beerchug.gif
Edited by musicheaven - 5/22/14 at 9:08am
post #9611 of 19481
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Originally Posted by Muenchener View Post
 

An honest question deserves an honest answer. I still have to hear from anybody at Fiio about the many different bugs that remain. At least a timeline or an official response.
All I read is people defending the brand for the sake of it, defending the brand because they have some non-disclosed interest on it, people genuinely declaring they are fine with the state of things or complaining about many things regarding the X5. Only the two last groups add value to this thread.

If you don't want more critics or complains, why don't you ask for the thread to be closed? There really is nothing good left to be said, as it has been said already by someone, somewhere in the 640 pages. I believe Fiio can learn a lot from all the comments, complains, advices, ideas and the like.

I don't know why you could ever think that a person has to heavily research a DAP before buying it, while reading countless reviews and endless pages on a thread like this to know what they are getting into. We passed 640 pages on this thread alone and people still write about new bugs or errors or things that nobody knows how to solve. The X5 bugzilla is useless as it is old and not updated.

I'll give you the point 1 you make; fair enough, but the market don't give a damn about Fiio's shortcomings or beginner's status. The second point is a joke. Sorry, but I don't agree. Point 3 is also fair, although I don't think like you. Point 4 is again your point of view and not mine. Fiio misled all buyers of the X5 and the E12 by not warning them that they will lose the balance control if used as a combo. It's not a big misled, and I don't think for a moment that they did it on purpose, but they make me and several others return the E12 because of that.

I don't believe in "just wait for the update" as the only reasonable answer from a company's fan's (nor from the company itself, but they won't respond in time). I believe in bringing official information, in giving answers, solutions, tips, upgrade deadlines, and taking care of the domino effect you get when you just let the people deal with the problems by themselves alone. Take a look at the X5's web site and please tell me if what they say they are selling is not missing a few bits of truth regarding the firmware, that turns out to be essential for the experience. And I'm telling you this with just a few non-important bugs on my X5.

All the right things that the X5 does do not cancel out the things that are wrong. I love the X5, but I won't hide my disappointment because of that. Why all has to be binary, either right or not, choose-a-side-and-stick-there, with nothing in between?

I respect that you see the good in the X5, and I see it too, as I ordered 2 units, and enjoy one of them. And I think that the X5 is the best DAP for the money, so I don't need to accept your challenge. But different things are different things, and I prefer to keep them apart.
 

"The few" are not so few.

 

I don't think anyone is asking you to (nor should you) hide your disappointment with the X5's shortcomings.  In fact, if others experience the same or similar things and it helps a potential buyer from making a decision they might regret, then so much the better.  I think the problem, however, is with statements like "not knowing the dirty little secrets of X5's immature firmware".  This implies (whether you meant to or not) that Fiio is trying to hide design flaws or at the very least are afraid if people "find out" the firmware is immature it might hurt their sales.  Regardless this is negative speculation and is completely nonconstructive.  I think if you stick with the facts of your experience, you might find you get more support here.  I hope you don't feel attacked or beat up by this post as that was not my intent.

post #9612 of 19481

Hello everyone,

 

thinking bout getting this but I have a few questions:

 

1.) Just how much of an improvement is this over the x3? With and without the e12.

 

2.) How will these drive the mad dogs? Do they sound better/worse then the x3 with them?

post #9613 of 19481
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Originally Posted by Flomet View Post

I have a big grin on my face 😊 - I have just found my Shure E5C earphones that I purchased about 10 years ago.

There not In the same class as my E500's but sound very nice with my X5 E12 stack.

Anybody else used E5C's.

It's funny you should say that.  I have just come across my Shure E3C earphones, also purchased about 10 years ago.  They also sound great with the X5 and E12.

post #9614 of 19481
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Originally Posted by superbike999 View Post

It's funny you should say that.  I have just come across my Shure E3C earphones, also purchased about 10 years ago.  They also sound great with the X5 and E12.
Glad to hear it, I like the bass on my E5C,s and find them a bit more comfortable than my E500.
post #9615 of 19481
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Originally Posted by Age8E View Post
 

The assertion that you shouldn't research a major purchase like the X5 is, to me, just absurd.

 

People act as if returning a product they don't like is no big deal. But it costs a retailer or manufacturer time and money to clean, repurpose and repackage an item for resale, or especially to recycle it when resale is not feasible (which means they're essentially eating the cost of the item). That adds to the overhead of making and selling a product, and makes things more expensive for everybody.

 

Which is fine, if a return is due to a legitimate problem. But all too often, it's avoidable, if the customer simply knows what he or she is buying before they pull the trigger. And something like 9 out of 10 returns are due not to actual flaws or defects, but user error.

 

It's just irresponsible to buy something major without knowing as much as you can about it, even if you have a lot of money to waste.

I think you are right, but the responsibility of helping the buyer make an educated buy is on the seller. That's what I said several times: most of the X5 returns are not due to legitimate problems or manufacturing errors, but lack of information. The buyer will use any advantage this globalized capitalist system offers, such as returning any product that does not deliver what the buyer was looking for (however wrong he/she might be). The buyer doesn't care about the costs the manufacturer will incur because of that, nor does the retailer. Such is business life, take it or leave it. I don't like that, it is unfair, but life is unfair as well.

Manufacturers can have wet dreams about buyers making long and detailed researches before buying a product, in order to make no mistakes and both keep the customer happy and the item returns low. But wet dreams they are, and nothing more. People will still buy, test, keep or return as long as they can. A lot of people on this very site buy two or three items in order to test which one of them they will keep and return the rest, no second thoughts about it. Big retailers and giants such as Amazon or Rakuten won't change their return policies anytime soon. The customer is not satisfied? The manufacturer loses. As simple as that.

If Fiio or any similar company wants to succeed and survive the jungle, they have to keep up with the customer's needs, with the competition's strengths, with the market evolution and the complex business scenario of a globalized world. Unlike Apple, that sits on billions in cash, small companies have to adapt quick, respond faster and be very resilient. 

You may want people to fully and responsibly research before they buy. That's a noble thought, but not a realistic one. That's why Fiio must provide way, way more information about their products, problems, solutions, firmware updates, etc.
 


Edited by Muenchener - 5/22/14 at 10:16am
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