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post #9421 of 19484
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If this is your first audiophile device I would say the first thing to look at is the source files you're feeding it. If your source music is the typical iTunes re-mastered lossy then they will not have the same impact as well mastered lossless rips (even sampled to lossy) or high resolution music (typically mastered better). I keep hearing that there is little difference in SQ with the X5 and it really baffles me. I've pointed out before to help people relate - If you watch a low quality video stream or SD content on an HDTV or high resolution monitor the quality simply looks like crap (or it's viewed in a tiny window). The low quality video looks better on low quality displays. The X5 is a high resolution, highly resolving player. Feed it the proper food.

If you're headphones can't reproduce the sound quality you won't hear much of a difference. If your headphones are just too hard to drive then you need a more powerful portable amp. You can't expect miracles here.

If you're familiar with a certain sound signature from a player then listen to the new one for a week then go back to your old player. I would wager you're going to think there is a difference and that you'll find out which one is the less resolving and which one is glossing over and hiding details (good or bad depending on the source music quality).

It's all about the entire chain and knowing what you're getting in to. What's the point of putting racing slicks (X5) on a stock Honda Civic (rest if the chain)? You won't go faster, and it would actually perform worse. It's a link in a chain not a one device solution. Sorry about your wallet.

Rant over.

Edited for clarity
Edited by x RELIC x - 5/18/14 at 5:01pm
post #9422 of 19484
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Originally Posted by x RELIC x View Post

What's the point of putting racing slicks (X5) on a Honda Civic (rest if the chain)? You won't go faster, and it would actually perform worse. It's a link in a chain not a one device solution. Sorry about your wallet.
 

 

post #9423 of 19484

I've just realized that the use of the E12 disables the balance control on the X5. Does anyone know if it is technically possible to balance control the line out of an X5? If so, would Fiio add such option in a firmware update?

Damn, I should have thought about this before "improving" the sound of the X5 with the E12.

Fiio's website is lacking so much useful product information than half the merchandise returns they get must be because of that.

post #9424 of 19484
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Originally Posted by burtomr View Post



Touché. biggrin.gif

How 'bout a Honda Fit? You get my point.

Edit: That's not a stock civic wink.gif you usually can't upgrade one link in the chain.
Edited by x RELIC x - 5/18/14 at 4:35pm
post #9425 of 19484
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post #9426 of 19484
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Originally Posted by x RELIC x View Post

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If this is your first audiophile device I would say the first thing to look at is the source files you're feeding it. If your source music is lossy then even 320kbps mp3 or acc will not have the same impact as well mastered lossless rips or high resolution music. I keep hearing that there is little difference in SQ and it really baffles me. I've pointed out before to help people relate - If you watch a low quality video stream or SD content on an HDTV or high resolution monitor the quality simply looks like crap (or it's viewed in a tiny window). The low quality video looks better on low quality displays. The X5 is a high resolution, highly resolving player. Feed it the proper food.

If you're headphones can't reproduce the sound quality you won't hear much of a difference. If your headphones are just too hard to drive then you need a more powerful portable amp. You can't expect miracles here.

If you're familiar with a certain sound signature from a player then listen to the new one for a week then go back to your old player. I would wager you're going to think there is a difference and that you'll find out which one is the less resolving and which one is glossing over and hiding details (good or bad depending on the source music quality).

It's all about the entire chain and knowing what you're getting in to. What's the point of putting racing slicks (X5) on a Honda Civic (rest if the chain)? You won't go faster, and it would actually perform worse. It's a link in a chain not a one device solution. Sorry about your wallet.

Rant over.


I'm sorry, but the video/lossless audio comparison is utter garbage.

Lossless encoding is basically null bits for headroom. A mp3 320 file doesn't allow for mastering headroom if you want to make changes. They call the lossless releases studio masters for a reason. It's similar to photography. A RAW file looks exactly the same as a JPEG, but the RAW file is a good deal bigger to allow for adjustments when post processing. When you shoot raw, you get the ability to adjust by multiple stops in either direction.

Conversion to MP3 320 is essentially the same as locking in the adjustments you make in RAW when you save to JPEG.

Just before you spread more misinformation.
post #9427 of 19484
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Originally Posted by Muenchener View Post

I've just realized that the use of the E12 disables the balance control on the X5. Does anyone know if it is technically possible to balance control the line out of an X5? If so, would Fiio add such option in a firmware update?


Damn, I should have thought about this before "improving" the sound of the X5 with the E12.


Fiio's website is lacking so much useful product information than half the merchandise returns they get must be because of that.

A hardware mod on the E12 might be your best option.

However you could use headphone out at about 75% and connect the E12 on there.

If it sounds good to you, then it should be okay, right?
post #9428 of 19484
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Originally Posted by musicheaven View Post


You got to be patient, it took me a whole week to see it changed, the first time I thought it was rather peaky at the highs and anemic at the bass but that changed after a good 40 hours after. The phones will also make a difference, so look around the thread and see what people are using. If after a week it hasn't changed you can return it to the vendor but somehow I got the impression you are going to love it and keep it. wink.gif

+1

I had a similar impression at first. One week later I was loving the sound of my X5. Now when I go back to my iPhone 4S (arguably the best sounding phone), I find the base anemic and the highs metallic sounding.
post #9429 of 19484
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Originally Posted by x RELIC x View Post

Touché. biggrin.gif

How 'bout a Honda Fit?
 

 

 

....didn't quite 'fit'....:D

post #9430 of 19484
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Originally Posted by CH23 View Post


A hardware mod on the E12 might be your best option.

However you could use headphone out at about 75% and connect the E12 on there.

If it sounds good to you, then it should be okay, right?

How would that hardware mod be? I'm very interested in that possibility, because isn't double-amping a bad option no matter what?

 

I'm amazed at the lack of balance control in the portable amps such as the E12, even when the very Fiio E17 has one. Why, Fiio, why do you make an almost perfect whatever, but never do that extra something that would please a lot of people?

post #9431 of 19484

Thanks for the input everyone. I guess I will just wait and see if the sound changes or it grows on me, and my b3 should be here any day now. Too bad I lost my gr07.

 

I'm still annoyed that you can't continuously skip tracks immediately when the player is locked. I guess it will be fixed with future updates. Now I just have to play with the bassos and x5 since both are new. cheers :)

post #9432 of 19484
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Originally Posted by Muenchener View Post
 

I've just realized that the use of the E12 disables the balance control on the X5. Does anyone know if it is technically possible to balance control the line out of an X5? If so, would Fiio add such option in a firmware update?

Damn, I should have thought about this before "improving" the sound of the X5 with the E12.

Fiio's website is lacking so much useful product information than half the merchandise returns they get must be because of that.


might try one of these...  Sennheiser HZR-62 Stereo Volume Control 

post #9433 of 19484
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Originally Posted by Dixter View Post
 


might try one of these...  Sennheiser HZR-62 Stereo Volume Control 

Thanks for the recommendation. I've seen that before, but I don't know what to do with the 17' cable that comes attached. That same volume controller, without the absurd cable length would be great.

post #9434 of 19484

Has anyone here ever tried (or is using) X5 > RC-MH1 cables > M-100? I ordered the RC-MH1 to replace the default speakeasy cables because the mic and control modules kept getting snagged on my clothes and their audio-only cable is a little too long for my liking.

post #9435 of 19484
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Originally Posted by eke2k6 View Post

I'm sorry, but the video/lossless audio comparison is utter garbage.

Lossless encoding is basically null bits for headroom. A mp3 320 file doesn't allow for mastering headroom if you want to make changes. They call the lossless releases studio masters for a reason. It's similar to photography. A RAW file looks exactly the same as a JPEG, but the RAW file is a good deal bigger to allow for adjustments when post processing. When you shoot raw, you get the ability to adjust by multiple stops in either direction.

Conversion to MP3 320 is essentially the same as locking in the adjustments you make in RAW when you save to JPEG.

Just before you spread more misinformation.

Not spreading misinformation and the comparison is not garbage. WAV, ALAC, FLAC, AIFF 16/44.1 CD quality lossless are the same as locking the adjustments and still provide a level of file size compression (except WAV) similar to zip or rar file compression. Conversion to mp3/AAC 320 lossy dumps information to accommodate even smaller file sizes at the expense of lost information. High resolution 24bit/48kHz and up, and DSD, are Master Studio Quality with extra information for headroom.

Here are the relative comparisons to clarify:

I edited my previous post to reflect a little closer to what I mean to say, which is well mastered music vs poorly mastered as well as lossless and lossy. In that regard the video comparison is spot on. A poorly shot video (ISO, Aperture, etc.) looks like crap on highly resolving displays. Even poorly shot film content looks bad. However, I've seen a lot of highly compressed HD footage in my career and the fact is when you lose information you see artifacts and it's not as realistic. On a less resolving display you don't notice it, just like with audio but much harder to articulate.

Same with JPEG and RAW. Again, for a living, I deal with a lot of photography and have shot both (ever use a Spheron camera for the film industry?) and I can pick out the differences quite readily. The differences aren't huge and are mostly how the camera's processor interprets the RAW data when creating the JPEG which may lead to more chroma noise or slightly blown out highlights or fringing or extra sharpening in the JPEG. Computer software handles this translation from RAW much better than most cameras. Lossy audio is like low/medium quality JPEG vs high quality JPEG (huge difference). Raw vs high quality JPEG is like the difference between studio masters and lossless CD quality audio (small, difficult to tell difference).

When I convert to lossy for storage concerns the music loses some of its realism and life, plain and simple. Information is being lost (lossy). Im not saying all lossy music sounds like crap, just that the differences from less resolving players to the X5 are smaller with lossy files because you can't hear nuances that aren't there.

The large bit depth (word length) and sample rate are what is in studio masters for headroom. There is a lot more information in 24bit/192kHz and DSD than in 16bit/44.1 lossless (CD redbook standard) and that's where the headroom is. I find 16/44.1 lossless perfectly acceptable but going to lossy there is a clear and distinct difference. Just like a photograph or video (pixels/color depth vs bits/sample rate), when info is lost it's not going to come back.

The comments that the X5 shows little improvement (or sounds worse) leads me to believe that the music being fed to it isn't well mastered or lossy or both and the X5 is just revealing this or the headphones can't resolve the details (headphone sound signature not part of this equation). The whole point was that the X5 can't fix the entire chain from source to headphones and the expectations that it will be the only upgrade needed for the best quality sound is somewhat a little too hopeful (if the rest of the audio chain isn't up to snuff). That's the cold reality of Head fi and newcomers should know this. I wish I did because it would have saved me a lot of time and money.
Edited by x RELIC x - 5/18/14 at 7:59pm
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