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post #9406 of 19490
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Originally Posted by Brooko View Post

Perhaps you can show measured the frequency response for the X3 and we can compare?

If there is a mid-bass hump on the iP5, it should show up in a frequency response curve.  The only way I can see that it would otherwise show up is if the iP5 had a high impedance on the headphone out and the Atrio MG7 had an incorrect damping factor.  But the iP5 has an output impedance of 4.5 ohms (a little higher than I'd prefer) and the Atrios are rated at 32 ohms - so damping shouldn't come into it.

If the iP5 was underpowered - this could also have an effect - but given that the Atrios have a sensitivity of 112dB 30 Hz/Mw - and the iP5 will be able to drive them to deafening levels well under the output full volume, then this is negated also.

So no issues with power or impedance mismatch on the IEM's he was talking about.  So where does the mid-bass hump come into it?  Simple answer - it can't come from the iPhone.

I understand what you mean smily_headphones1.gif and yes i've thought about it before and i really couldnt make sense of it. If you check out clieos review you can see his measurements. In fact some time back there was a discussion where he mentioned that there was no such midbass bump but others claimed very strongly that they did.

I really do not have any idea how it works i'll be honest. But i thought about it and the only conclusion i could come up with was that the measured frequency response curve of the source and amp do not say much about its signature. Perhaps it might be that measurements are made with sine wave sweeps and not does not simulate the harmonics of actual music? I really have no clue hehe smily_headphones1.gif its all speculation but i know for a fact that the curves do not show its sound signature smily_headphones1.gif
post #9407 of 19490
http://www.head-fi.org/t/663600/impression-fiio-x3-high-fi-low-price

You can find the measurements here smily_headphones1.gif
post #9408 of 19490

Thanks.  I won't comment further here as it's going OT.  Might ask about this in sound science - could get better answers there.

post #9409 of 19490

hi guys,

 

been looking at differences between the x5 and geek wave.

 

geek has this "native dsd" support thing. what does that mean?

 

how does that "native dsd" compare to the x5's support for dsd?

 

 

thanks in advance!

post #9410 of 19490
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Originally Posted by maczh2002 View Post

hi guys,

been looking at differences between the x5 and geek wave.

geek has this "native dsd" support thing. what does that mean?

how does that "native dsd" compare to the x5's support for dsd?


thanks in advance!

The geek wave converts the dsd file straight to the analog signal. The x5 converts it to pcm on the fly before converting to an analog signal.
post #9411 of 19490
If you think the dita is the best, then try the zero audio tenore😅💕😍
post #9412 of 19490

Hi Guys,

 

I am thinking about getting the X5 to replace my old cowon iaudio9. I use the shure SE846 and no headphone amp. 

 

I am unsure if the X5 is the right choice. Some reviewers are saying that it is a little on the warm side and i fear that together with the 846 the bass might sound too pronounced.

 

Unfourtunitly i couldn't find a review of the X5 where they have been tested with the se846. 

 

 

I was wondering what your guys oppinion on this combination is.


Edited by MonkeyShots - 5/18/14 at 9:29am
post #9413 of 19490
Yeah I'm not very good with describing sound but the ip5 sounds different to my ears. I could tell it apart 9 times out of 10 in a blind test. Perhaps manufacturing tolerances have an effect? I know with CPUs even from the best fabrication plants on the planet (Intel) manufacturing tolerances can be rather large. All CPUs will pass at stock clocks but lets take for example the Intel 2600k:
-the worst ones would barely be stable at 4.4Ghz with ridiculous voltage and phenomenal cooling
-The best ones would FLY at 5.2HGhz
-Chips than don't require much voltage for overclocks tend to run hotter

Perhaps the manufacturing tolerances have an effect on DACs too but I'm just:
A) Speculating
B) An audio noobie

But yea we're getting off topic. However Id be open to learning more about this.

Would anyone in Canada be interested in a group buy for SanDisk 128GB cards cross shipped to US then to us? They cost $200 in Canada and $120 in US and I'm looking to bypass the mobster.. err government fees.

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Edited by Scorpion667 - 5/18/14 at 9:52am
post #9414 of 19490

I just got the X5 a few days ago, and I can't say I'm impressed. This is my first audiophile DAP and I can't hear any significant improvements over other players (various cellphones). Does the X5 sound changes with burn in? I really hate the peakiness in the vocals, and it fills most of the stage. Sometimes details are a little hard to hear since it is presented thin and soft. I'm using the zero audio bassos most of the time BTW. I have tried various earphones (Anv3SE, s500, and various others) and the vocals is still very prominent and edgy.

 

UI needs a little getting used to. processor is a little on the slow side. When picking songs from a folder, you still need to wait for a few seconds for it to play. When it is locked, and you skipped a song, you need to wait for about 5 seconds for you to be able to skip songs again which is very annoying. I'm on FW 2.

 

On a side note, there aren't any fake X5 right? I over scratch the serial on the box and some of the numbers were smudged so I can't check. I hope the havi b3 will sound good with the x5.

 

I'm really disappointed and I'm hoping the sound will change after a few more days. Any one else not happy with the X5 or my unit is just different?

post #9415 of 19490
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Originally Posted by Reylaw View Post
 

I just got the X5 a few days ago, and I can't say I'm impressed. This is my first audiophile DAP and I can't hear any significant improvements over other players (various cellphones). Does the X5 sound changes with burn in? I really hate the peakiness in the vocals, and it fills most of the stage. Sometimes details are a little hard to hear since it is presented thin and soft. I'm using the zero audio bassos most of the time BTW. I have tried various earphones (Anv3SE, s500, and various others) and the vocals is still very prominent and edgy.

 

UI needs a little getting used to. processor is a little on the slow side. When picking songs from a folder, you still need to wait for a few seconds for it to play. When it is locked, and you skipped a song, you need to wait for about 5 seconds for you to be able to skip songs again which is very annoying. I'm on FW 2.

 

On a side note, there aren't any fake X5 right? I over scratch the serial on the box and some of the numbers were smudged so I can't check. I hope the havi b3 will sound good with the x5.

 

I'm really disappointed and I'm hoping the sound will change after a few more days. Any one else not happy with the X5 or my unit is just different?


You got to be patient, it took me a whole week to see it changed, the first time I thought it was rather peaky at the highs and anemic at the bass but that changed after a good 40 hours after. The phones will also make a difference, so look around the thread and see what people are using. If after a week it hasn't changed you can return it to the vendor but somehow I got the impression you are going to love it and keep it. ;)

post #9416 of 19490
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Originally Posted by Reylaw View Post
 

I just got the X5 a few days ago, and I can't say I'm impressed. This is my first audiophile DAP and I can't hear any significant improvements over other players (various cellphones). Does the X5 sound changes with burn in? I really hate the peakiness in the vocals, and it fills most of the stage. Sometimes details are a little hard to hear since it is presented thin and soft. I'm using the zero audio bassos most of the time BTW. I have tried various earphones (Anv3SE, s500, and various others) and the vocals is still very prominent and edgy.

 

UI needs a little getting used to. processor is a little on the slow side. When picking songs from a folder, you still need to wait for a few seconds for it to play. When it is locked, and you skipped a song, you need to wait for about 5 seconds for you to be able to skip songs again which is very annoying. I'm on FW 2.

 

On a side note, there aren't any fake X5 right? I over scratch the serial on the box and some of the numbers were smudged so I can't check. I hope the havi b3 will sound good with the x5.

 

I'm really disappointed and I'm hoping the sound will change after a few more days. Any one else not happy with the X5 or my unit is just different?

Are you playing lossless or lossy encoded files?

post #9417 of 19490
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Originally Posted by mochill View Post

If you think the dita is the best, then try the zero audio tenore😅💕😍

Has the hype train totally jumped tracks? Out with KC06A in with Tenore???
post #9418 of 19490
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Originally Posted by mochill View Post

If you think the dita is the best, then try the zero audio tenore😅💕😍

I'll have the chance to test one soon smily_headphones1.gif well from the impressions by those that own both it seems the ditas are still a couple if steps ahead tongue.gif of course we're not talking about value here because the tenores are gonna smoke it with that tongue.gif and yes i would put the ditas many steps ahead of the jvc 850s smily_headphones1.gif but thats just me smily_headphones1.gif
post #9419 of 19490
The tenores are more to my liking then the kc06A ,but those are still awesome 😃
post #9420 of 19490
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Originally Posted by Reylaw View Post

I just got the X5 a few days ago, and I can't say I'm impressed. This is my first audiophile DAP and I can't hear any significant improvements over other players (various cellphones). Does the X5 sound changes with burn in? I really hate the peakiness in the vocals, and it fills most of the stage. Sometimes details are a little hard to hear since it is presented thin and soft. I'm using the zero audio bassos most of the time BTW. I have tried various earphones (Anv3SE, s500, and various others) and the vocals is still very prominent and edgy.

UI needs a little getting used to. processor is a little on the slow side. When picking songs from a folder, you still need to wait for a few seconds for it to play. When it is locked, and you skipped a song, you need to wait for about 5 seconds for you to be able to skip songs again which is very annoying. I'm on FW 2.

On a side note, there aren't any fake X5 right? I over scratch the serial on the box and some of the numbers were smudged so I can't check. I hope the havi b3 will sound good with the x5.

I'm really disappointed and I'm hoping the sound will change after a few more days. Any one else not happy with the X5 or my unit is just different?

The view on this is largely varied, but if you read eke26's thread on the matter, you would see that the differences between DAPs and the iphone are extremely slight to him, and that view is in fact backed up by very well reputed members here on head fi. I'm not saying that there is no improvement, there definitely is, and some may consider it large, others may not. But if you are expecting the kind of differences that you get when you upgrade your earphones, then I feel that you will be disappointed. But again just my own opinion smily_headphones1.gif

I understand that you've spent some money on the x5, but i would personally spend a little to upgrade the earphones if i were you. After all those are the most important. And along the way when you have the budget look out for a good amp second hand perhaps. To help you save money smily_headphones1.gif something like the rsa shadow or the pico slim takes things up several notches, and the improvement is definitely larger than from my iphone to the x5 to me smily_headphones1.gif
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