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post #9391 of 19481
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Originally Posted by Feedbacker View Post
 

I'm using it with Heir 5.0, rather than the 4a, and much prefer the X5/E12 combo. Sounds a lot wider to me...

 

I guess its the characteristics of the 4a. :deadhorse:

post #9392 of 19481
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Originally Posted by lostwind View Post

Hey everyone! I'd like to try out the x5, but i want to know if i really need it. My current setup is sansa clip+ w/rockbox + vsonic gr07 bass edition. I feel like the bass is not as good as id like it to be.. So the question is.. Pair my sansa with an amp, get the x5 or any other suggestions?

I'm mostly listening to trance, dubstep.

Thanks!

 

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Originally Posted by Muenchener View Post
 

Bass is not a specialty of the X5. The X5 is neutral, flat, balanced, detailed and "right". You can, of course, equalize the sound, but still.
If you combine the X5 with the Fiio E12, you'll find better bass, but that's another $130 to the cost.

 

Agreed. X5 is not a bass monster in my opinion but however the EQ is capable of delivering it to an extent. The X5 itself delivers detailed bass and a bit of 'oomph' on my Heir audio 4a suprisingly. Try to demo it before pulling the trigger.


Edited by Dom Isaac - 5/17/14 at 8:42pm
post #9393 of 19481
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Originally Posted by lostwind View Post

Hey everyone! I'd like to try out the x5, but i want to know if i really need it. My current setup is sansa clip+ w/rockbox + vsonic gr07 bass edition. I feel like the bass is not as good as id like it to be.. So the question is.. Pair my sansa with an amp, get the x5 or any other suggestions?

I'm mostly listening to trance, dubstep.

Thanks!

X5 + more bass-rich IEMs
post #9394 of 19481
I like the sound of my x5, but I've about had it with the software. Why they would release this product when it still needs LOTS of software upgrades. It's going back and when ( if ) they get things worked out I buy it again if nothing better comes along. The x5 experience is no longer fun for me.
post #9395 of 19481
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Originally Posted by EthanHarte View Post

Ya i saw that post. Im looking in a different price range though. Around $200-300.

Heyy man off the top of my head there are a few options that you should consider.

Philips fidelio s2: great awesome soundstand, deep and wide, slight v shape (very slight) presentation, more energy in the bass and upper mids, overall one of the very best at the price imo. Beats out competitors like the gr07 to me any day. Poor isolation

Dunu DN1000: hybrid with powerdul bass and clear articulate highs, however more v shaped than the fidelio s2, smaller soundstage and more peaky an harsh treble. Mids also more recessed.

JVC HA FX-750: I personally prefer this to the higher priced fx850 in the same line. More mellow, balanced tone IMO, less shouty. Wonderful woody timbre, fantastic soundstage, pretty well balanced, but poor isolation.

IM50: Yes this is much much below your budget but damn is it good. Do give it a shot and maybe you could just save yourself the money tongue.gif

Ostry KC06 / zero audio carbo tenore: Again way below your budget but heard fantastic things about them. Worth a shot too.

Fostex TE05: Very well balanced, almost dead neutral, considered by some to be a direct upgrade over the fidelio s2s, but tendency for peakiness, and smaller soundstage.

Audio technica IM02: extremely well priced, balanced sounding but rather BA sounding too.

Again do take note that my preferences may not align with yours. If you noticed, i mostly recommend dynamic earphones, because i generally prefer the dynamic sound. BAs I feel generally dont perform anywhere close to the dynamic driver iems unless they are extremely well implemented, and this usually costs you a bomb. The IM02 i recommend because theyre widely considered a great value. I do not mean that the sub 1k BA IEMs are not good, bear that in mind. They sinply do not suit my preferences for a fuller more natural sound across the spectrum. Well thats how they appear to me. There are things that BAs do better though. But you have to find out if those things are things that you like smily_headphones1.gif you can pm to discuss more options smily_headphones1.gif
post #9396 of 19481
Having had some time with the x5, perhaps i can share some of my experiences here. I personally was not impressed with it on first listen. Compared to the iphone 5, the differences were subtle at best. Even after a long supposed burn in period, I was not impressed.

Personally, I feel that while the iphone may not be technically as good in terms of components, they meld together to do a pretty fine job. In fact, i've heard of a number of totl earphone makers that simply use their iphones, the dita owner himself uses the iphone because he feels that the difference is, like i said, subtle at best.

Personally, not having tried the hifiman players though, only the ak240 and the dx100 have impressed me. The dx90,dx50, x5, x3 all did not impress me. To clarify, perhaps its what i look for in my music. I like a large spacious soundstage, with instruments and vocals well spaced and layered, with the height and depth to back it up. Each sound must occupy a well defined space and there must be adequate separation between the different sounds. On top of that, i want powerful punchy dynamics to back it up. In this aspect, only the ak240 and dx100 perform up to mark in my books.

However, with an external amp, i feel things change considerably. Using dita the answer iems, i listen from the x5 lined out to the rsa shadow or the pico slim, and this gives me exactly what im looking for, with different signatures for different genres. So i am extremely happy with the x5, but definitely not as a standalone player. As a source however, it is excellent.
post #9397 of 19481

Today I finally gave up on my Cardas EM5813's & returned them. As much as I loved the low end they delivered, I just couldn't adjust to that "dark" sound they deliver.

 

I ordered a pair of Westone W50's (which should be here Tuesday), but unfortunately couldn't audition them beforehand (no one has them around here). Anyone out there using the W50's with the X5 that could provide some insight into the pairing?

 

I do love low end when listening, but I need balance across all aspects. I listen to a lot of different kinds of music.

 

Thanks.

post #9398 of 19481
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Originally Posted by jbr1971 View Post

Today I finally gave up on my Cardas EM5813's & returned them. As much as I loved the low end they delivered, I just couldn't adjust to that "dark" sound they deliver.



 



I ordered a pair of Westone W50's (which should be here Tuesday), but unfortunately couldn't audition them beforehand (no one has them around here). Anyone out there using the W50's with the X5 that could provide some insight into the pairing?



 



I do love low end when listening, but I need balance across all aspects. I listen to a lot of different kinds of music.



 



Thanks.


 


i tried them with the x5 it was overly clear for me, closest description i got is like u srae staring at a HD tv for the first time and the pictures looks fake
post #9399 of 19481
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Originally Posted by WCDchee View Post

Having had some time with the x5, perhaps i can share some of my experiences here. I personally was not impressed with it on first listen. Compared to the iphone 5, the differences were subtle at best. Even after a long supposed burn in period, I was not impressed.

Personally, I feel that while the iphone may not be technically as good in terms of components, they meld together to do a pretty fine job. In fact, i've heard of a number of totl earphone makers that simply use their iphones, the dita owner himself uses the iphone because he feels that the difference is, like i said, subtle at best.

Personally, not having tried the hifiman players though, only the ak240 and the dx100 have impressed me. The dx90,dx50, x5, x3 all did not impress me. To clarify, perhaps its what i look for in my music. I like a large spacious soundstage, with instruments and vocals well spaced and layered, with the height and depth to back it up. Each sound must occupy a well defined space and there must be adequate separation between the different sounds. On top of that, i want powerful punchy dynamics to back it up. In this aspect, only the ak240 and dx100 perform up to mark in my books.

However, with an external amp, i feel things change considerably. Using dita the answer iems, i listen from the x5 lined out to the rsa shadow or the pico slim, and this gives me exactly what im looking for, with different signatures for different genres. So i am extremely happy with the x5, but definitely not as a standalone player. As a source however, it is excellent.

Couldn't have said any better, that was my long held believe but because iems and phones matter I got lucky in sampling the X5, the phones I used worked so well on the HO that initially I did not have any needs to tap the LO. But when I decided to use it for testing I was amazingly surprised like you did. My all time best for amp matching is undeniably the RSA Intruder then followed by the Pico Slim for iems. But using the DAC features was the sweetest. A truly flexible player. If you use the plain vanilla UI features, you'll be happy for hours listening to it. To me it's when I crossed the line from the ordinary to the reference player world, that made me realized that there is no way back, a truly amazing experience. Now I am on a quest for the next level, still searching wink.gif
post #9400 of 19481
To everyone out here looking for a pair of IEMs you have got to try dita the answer. They are IMO the best there is overall. Even at the price theyre sold at. Of course in some ways the other totl iems beat them buy overall for the most natural sounding iem, i feel that they are among the best easily smily_headphones1.gif you may not be impressed with them on first listen but given time they grow on you. Do check out the thread on them! smily_headphones1.gif
post #9401 of 19481
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Originally Posted by WCDchee View Post

To everyone out here looking for a pair of IEMs you have got to try dita the answer. They are IMO the best there is overall. Even at the price theyre sold at. Of course in some ways the other totl iems beat them buy overall for the most natural sounding iem, i feel that they are among the best easily smily_headphones1.gif you may not be impressed with them on first listen but given time they grow on you. Do check out the thread on them! smily_headphones1.gif

 

I actually just finished reading a review on them a little while ago. Unfortunately I had already ordered the Westones this afternoon. If I don't like the Westones, the Dita's will probably be next on my list to try.

 

My big concern from reading the review is how well they fit & seal. Have you had any problems? I have a big head & usually use the medium to large ear tips.

post #9402 of 19481
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Originally Posted by WCDchee View Post

Having had some time with the x5, perhaps i can share some of my experiences here. I personally was not impressed with it on first listen. Compared to the iphone 5, the differences were subtle at best. Even after a long supposed burn in period, I was not impressed.

I found my iphone 5 to have a bit of a mid bass hump compared to the x5. This hump is not present with my Theorem 720 DAC/Amp or Xonar STX sound card either.

Also the detailing of the X5 beats all my other sources. I have one song that plays perfectly on every one of my sources except the X5 where I can hear obvious compression artefacts. I was rather surprised with this, considering the T720 is more than 2x the price of the X5. 

 

To be honest I don't mind using the iphone 5 as a source for IEM's as long as I'm using foam tips. For some reason, on my Atrio MG7's, silicone tips add a mid bass hump. When I add the iphone 5's mid bass hump to the equation it makes for a bad mix. But with foam tips it sounds pretty good for an ultra portable setup.  

 

I am currently testing Moto X sound quality but it's too early to make conclusions. I can't find any obvious faults like distortion or excessive floor noise (well, more floor noise then X5, less than T720 on low gain for 2x of my 32ohm IEM's) but it could benefit from some EQ.. I hear less sub bass and mid bass compared to the X5 on FW2.0 (surprisingly) and there's a slight peak in the highs which I've only noticed on one song so far. All things considered, the X is still my favourite smartphone, even after playing with or owning a majority of the smartphone flagships of 2013/2014. It's only slightly wider than the iphone 5 with similar height, yet houses a 4.7" screen. I don't like big phones, but I like big screens, nomsayin? It makes the HTC One look massive in comparison, even though they have the same screen size. Ultra thin bezels get my thumbs up. 

 

I just noticed recently that the Kingston Class 10 MicroSD card I bought for my X5 only has 10 MB/s read/write. I went to the local headphone shop and tried the owner's Sandisk 45MB/s card and track switching was definitely faster. The SAD, SAD part was, I didn't even read the product specs on the website before I left my house to buy the card! For $2 more I could have gotten a 45MB/s read, 10MB/s write card from the same store! I completely forgot that class 10 doesn't mean anything lol. I dunno.. considering I'm a tech enthusiast/custom PC builder/licensed technician that's really a rookie mistake =/


Edited by Scorpion667 - 5/18/14 at 2:08am
post #9403 of 19481
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Originally Posted by Scorpion667 View Post
 

I found my iphone 5 to have a bit of a mid bass hump compared to the x5.

 

Nope.

 

Ken Rockwell had the iPhone 5 on a scope (http://www.kenrockwell.com/apple/iphone-5/audio-quality.htm).  Measured basically flat from 20Hz to 20 kHz.

 

If you're finding a mid-bass hump - it's not the iP5 that's adding it.

post #9404 of 19481
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Originally Posted by Brooko View Post

Nope.

Ken Rockwell had the iPhone 5 on a scope (http://www.kenrockwell.com/apple/iphone-5/audio-quality.htm).  Measured basically flat from 20Hz to 20 kHz.

If you're finding a mid-bass hump - it's not the iP5 that's adding it.

Well the thing about source and amp frequency response curves is that they dont tell you anything about the sound signature. Almost all good amps and sources measure perfectly flat almost end to end. But the signature varies vastly. The x3 measures flat too. But it sounds very warm. So perhaps what he hears isnt technically a midbass hump. But yes it definitely comes from the iphone, and it definitely sounds like a midbass hump. Why the measured frequency response charts for amps and dacs dont give a picture of the signature like the charts of headphones do, i'm not too sure. But i know for a fact that they don't smily_headphones1.gif
post #9405 of 19481
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Originally Posted by WCDchee View Post


Well the thing about source and amp frequency response curves is that they dont tell you anything about the sound signature. Almost all good amps and sources measure perfectly flat almost end to end. But the signature varies vastly. The x3 measures flat too. But it sounds very warm. So perhaps what he hears isnt technically a midbass hump. But yes it definitely comes from the iphone, and it definitely sounds like a midbass hump. Why the measured frequency response charts for amps and dacs dont give a picture of the signature like the charts of headphones do, i'm not too sure. But i know for a fact that they don't smily_headphones1.gif

 

Perhaps you can show measured the frequency response for the X3 and we can compare?

 

If there is a mid-bass hump on the iP5, it should show up in a frequency response curve.  The only way I can see that it would otherwise show up is if the iP5 had a high impedance on the headphone out and the Atrio MG7 had an incorrect damping factor.  But the iP5 has an output impedance of 4.5 ohms (a little higher than I'd prefer) and the Atrios are rated at 32 ohms - so damping shouldn't come into it.

 

If the iP5 was underpowered - this could also have an effect - but given that the Atrios have a sensitivity of 112dB 30 Hz/Mw - and the iP5 will be able to drive them to deafening levels well under the output full volume, then this is negated also.

 

So no issues with power or impedance mismatch on the IEM's he was talking about.  So where does the mid-bass hump come into it?  Simple answer - it can't come from the iPhone.

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