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What head/ear phones are people pairing with the x5?  I've only tried the RE600's, and I find the sound to be a little disappointing.  I suppose if I compare it to other players in it's price range, it's not bad.  But these days, I really want something that will blow me out of the water if I have to manage it outside of itunes.  

 

The only player that has really blown me out of the water, is the HifiMan HM-901 with standard or balanced amp, paired with the RE600's.  I know it is also 3-4x the price.  However, I will say that Fiio really got the UI and build quality down, which is a major disappointment with the HM-901.

 

Btw, I am using m4a lossless files

 

Very open to suggestions, as I have not made a final decision on the X5.  

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What head/ear phones are people pairing with the x5?  I've only tried the RE600's, and I find the sound to be a little disappointing.  I suppose if I compare it to other players in it's price range, it's not bad.  But these days, I really want something that will blow me out of the water if I have to manage it outside of itunes.  

 

The only player that has really blown me out of the water, is the HifiMan HM-901 with standard or balanced amp, paired with the RE600's.  I know it is also 3-4x the price.  However, I will say that Fiio really got the UI and build quality down, which is a major disappointment with the HM-901.

 

Btw, I am using m4a lossless files

 

Very open to suggestions, as I have not made a final decision on the X5.  

 

It makes sense that some HiFi man earphones would pair well with one of their own devices.  I don't use in ear 'phones myself; I've been using the X5 with a new pair of PSB M4u1s and I've been very happy.  I tried the X5 initially with a pair of Bose OE2s and I was NOT happy with the sound.

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It makes sense that some HiFi man earphones would pair well with one of their own devices.  I don't use in ear 'phones myself; I've been using the X5 with a new pair of PSB M4u1s and I've been very happy.  I tried the X5 initially with a pair of Bose OE2s and I was NOT happy with the sound.

 

I am very happy with the PSB headphones synergy with the X5 as well.

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I am very happy with the PSB headphones synergy with the X5 as well.

The X5 seems to be very picky regarding headphone synergy. With my Beyers 770, the sound is barely acceptable, even a bit anemic. With the Martin Logan's 90, the sound is superb. With the Sony 7550 IEM, also superb. With some BA IEM's, not better than the iPhone 5S, and sometimes worse. It doesn't appear to simply be about impedance or sensitivity.

The E12 in combo helps a lot, but it diminishes the value of the X5 as a stand-alone player.

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Hey guys, I just want to let you know that headfier flowlerlandfilms did an awesome job modding the firmware to do an "Aztechno" theme for the X5. The modded firmware is still in beta but he says that he's been using it for several hours without issues.

 

We also have other modded/stock firmwares over there for your convenience (sorry, no post-2.0 beta firmwares yet).

 

http://www.head-fi.org/t/717947/fiio-x5-custom-modded-firmwares


Thanks Nicolas! It looks a bit like this for the curious,

 

 


If Joe Bloggs is around, what is the official Fiio position on people custom modding the firmware?
Are you planning to release extra themes of your own in the future?
 

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The X5 seems to be very picky regarding headphone synergy. With my Beyers 770, the sound is barely acceptable, even a bit anemic. With the Martin Logan's 90, the sound is superb. With the Sony 7550 IEM, also superb. With some BA IEM's, not better than the iPhone 5S, and sometimes worse. It doesn't appear to simply be about impedance or sensitivity.


The E12 in combo helps a lot, but it diminishes the value of the X5 as a stand-alone player.

I agree and at the same time respectfully disagree. I find the X5 allows the attributes of the headphone to shine through which can definitely be a double edged sword. Strictly speaking about synergy this can be bad if the headphone has deficiencies or colours the sound.

For example, there are a lot of conversations on the different versions of the Beyer 770, even on Innerfidelity, and it seems to be a love hate relationship with those headphones. Some say the bass is fun and full, others say it's bloated and wooly. Some say the treble is metallic and others say it's present and accurate. To me this says the headphone itself is picky or has a definite signature that the X5 is revealing, and not glossing over. Also, depending in the resistance of the headphone the e12 will have more or less of an impact on the resulting sound.

With a perspective of transparency the X5 reveals a lot of detail and again this may be bad depending on the headphones or the source files. If the treble is hot on the headphone or in the recording you will definitely hear it. I've literally cringed at some songs that have sounded perfectly acceptable on other devices but with the X5 I can clearly hear all the deficiencies with poorly mastered music. When going back to other players, listening carefully for the artifacts, I can still hear the things I don't like but they are pushed back and not as apparent.

Synergy is such a subjective thing and while the X5 may not have synergy with every headphone I can definitely say that it is a very accurate and revealing DAP. My first few weeks with the X5 had me wanting more fullness in the sound, but after the 'ol noggin adjusted to the clarity and the detailed, accurate bass I couldn't go back to my other DAPs. They all sounded muffled and boomy in comparison. The trouble is finding a headphone that can match the technicalities of the X5. Sorry wallet.

In the end I would say use the headphones you prefer with the X5 and bask in the sonic bliss knowing that you're hearing the music with a high level of accuracy for its price.

Sorry for the essay.
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Thanks Nicolas! It looks a bit like this for the curious,








If Joe Bloggs is around, what is the official Fiio position on people custom modding the firmware?

Are you planning to release extra themes of your own in the future?

 

Love the theme, but what do the symbols mean? I don't read Aztec. biggrin.gif
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With a perspective of transparency the X5 reveals a lot of detail and again this may be bad depending on the headphones or the source files. If the treble is hot on the headphone or in the recording you will definitely hear it. I've literally cringed at some songs that have sounded perfectly acceptable on other devices but with the X5 I can clearly hear all the deficiencies with poorly mastered music. When going back to other players, listening carefully for the artifacts, I can still hear the things I don't like but they are pushed back and not as apparent.
 

 

My problem with the X5 so far, is that I feel that it lacks detail or sound stage that makes it a big step from an iphone 5.  It is certainly better, but it really needs a major step up in order to justify having another portable device.  Maybe I was just spoiled by the HM-901... The sound stage on that is just incredible, as well as the crisp-ness in detail.

 

I've only given the X5 a few hours of listen... Maybe it'll change... 

post #9339 of 19481
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My problem with the X5 so far, is that I feel that it lacks detail or sound stage that makes it a big step from an iphone 5.  It is certainly better, but it really needs a major step up in order to justify having another portable device.  Maybe I was just spoiled by the HM-901... The sound stage on that is just incredible, as well as the crisp-ness in detail.

I've only given the X5 a few hours of listen... Maybe it'll change... 

Are you on FW 2.0?
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Are you on FW 2.0?

Yes I am.. First thing I did.

post #9341 of 19481
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Yes I am.. First thing I did.

Well the HiFiman is over twice the price. That's one thing it seems like you do get when you pay more. If you want to pair it with an e12 it'll help and still be half the price of the 901.
post #9342 of 19481
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Originally Posted by timeslip View Post
 

 

My problem with the X5 so far, is that I feel that it lacks detail or sound stage that makes it a big step from an iphone 5.  It is certainly better, but it really needs a major step up in order to justify having another portable device.  Maybe I was just spoiled by the HM-901... The sound stage on that is just incredible, as well as the crisp-ness in detail.

 

I've only given the X5 a few hours of listen... Maybe it'll change... 

 

I felt the same early on, but the sound does open up after a couple of days worth of listening (ie 40+ hours). I can only assume some of the capacitors need burn in or something, but it does improve. I don't think it quite reaches the level of HM901 or AK1X0, but it comes very close for a fraction of the price and with outstanding support, build quality, and a good / improving UI.

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Loquah, love your avatar pic.
post #9344 of 19481

Ditto on that for me. I fully expected that the X5 would smoke my iPod 5.5G with my Grado RS1i and have been sorely disappointed.  The iPod delivers better soundstage and detail, better bass (maybe a little looser) and extended range on both sides.

I've had the X5 for about 2 weeks, updated to 2.0 and even reinstalled 2.0 because I thought something was wrong.  The kicker is, even with line out to the Schiit Vali, I'm getting the same thing, but louder. Same results with the Coax out into my Naim DAC-V1.

Have I got a bum unit?

 

 

EDIT - Rest the X5 - reset the X5 - downloaded and reloaded firmware again - manual scanned library and repeated a couple of the tests - seems OK now - not sure what's different - in for a night of more testing

 

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Originally Posted by timeslip View Post
 

 

My problem with the X5 so far, is that I feel that it lacks detail or sound stage that makes it a big step from an iphone 5.  It is certainly better, but it really needs a major step up in order to justify having another portable device. 


Edited by MickeyVee - 5/16/14 at 5:16pm
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Love the theme, but what do the symbols mean? I don't read Aztec. biggrin.gif


These are just stylised pictograms and animal depictions, some would have had phonetic designation in Nahuatal though.
I just thought they looked cool.

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