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post #931 of 19480
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Originally Posted by Deviltooth View Post

Android is fantastic if you're building a multi-purpose device. The X5 is hopefully a dedicated music player and not anything else. If you're looking for more a tablet is probably the better choice.

This

post #932 of 19480
I won't quote as it will be a massive post.
I guess the key for me would be USB in as a nice feature.
However so is a reference dap at an affordable price so I certainly won't complain about no USB in.
I will have to wait and see how much power it puts out. Sadly I need a little bit for my LCDs.
Worst case I will strap the e12 to the x5.
With some luck I won't need to smily_headphones1.gif
post #933 of 19480
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Originally Posted by musicday View Post

I hope James will have a surprise for us with his X5 and will give dual DAC for lef+right channel.

This is a high tier dream beerchug.gif

post #934 of 19480
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Originally Posted by Atter View Post

Meh. I already have an e12. I don't need a DAP with an e17 amp stuffed inside it. I don't see why they're doing the same thing twice with the x3 and x5. A thinner, smaller DAP with a line-out would better satisfy the many people who already have portable amps.

You're right too.

This is a thing to consider. i got myself a e07k with the ipod and i find the x5 redundant

post #935 of 19480
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Originally Posted by AmberOzL View Post

 

About the E12 type of driving power. X3 is already quite powerful for a dap at this price. James said X5 will be a little bit more powerful than X3. I think apart from those maniac ortho's, X5 will be able to drive pretty much everything. What I mean is, most probably you won't looking for extra juice. So E12 can be an extra but not a need. I may be wrong though, only James's team know how powerful it will be.

 

 

I think I recall James mentioning that the X5 will be approximately 1.5x as powerful as the X3, but it's buried deep inside the X5 thread and I can't be bothered to find the exact post.

post #936 of 19480
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Originally Posted by Mython View Post

 

 

I think I recall James mentioning that the X5 will be approximately 1.5x as powerful as the X3, but it's buried deep inside the X5 thread and I can't be bothered to find the exact post.


Me neither so that's why I said it will be a bit more powerful than X3 but couldn't remember the ratio honestly. Anyway, the point is, I really don't think we will need external amp for day to day headphones/iems. Okay for Hifiman HE6, an amp would be needed but if you gotta listen to this, make a high end desktop system man, that's what it deserves. Apart from those power hungry cans, it should be more than fine that's what I wanted to say.


Edited by AmberOzL - 8/8/13 at 11:50am
post #937 of 19480

I agree. I wasn't undermining you in any way at all, just chipping in, that's all.

 

I agree that if someone has a seriously power-hungry pair of headphones, it's a bit unrealistic to ask for DAP makers to cater for that as standard, since it's not what most users will be using. VERY few people will wear really large fullsize headphones (LCD2s, HE-6 etc.) whilst walking down the street or on public transport, but that is the natural environment of a DAP. If someone uses such large fullsize headphones during their work day, then they can carry an amp with their headphones, in their rucksack.

 

The DX100 (or HM-901 with a powerful amp card) will cater for most power-hungry scenarios, and if one needs even more power, then there are a multitude of portable amps available.

 

IMHO, it's far more relevant for a DAP designer to design a circuit that drives low-impedance, highly-reactive loads presented by multi-BA CIEMs, since this is what serious mobile listeners will tend to use with a serious DAP, whilst walking/travelling.

 

At least Fiio take the output impedance of their DAPs seriously:

 

http://www.head-fi.org/t/651769/fiio-x3-thread-full-review-http-www-head-fi-org-t-663600-impression-fiio-x3-high-fi-low-price/2850#post_9609409

 

 

Coming back to the output power of the X5, in relation to that of the X3, I've just spent 30mins searching both the X3 and the X5 threads and, strangely, I can't find the post from James that I was looking for, but I'm quite certain I did once read him say that the X5 would have (approximately) 1.5x the output power of the X3 (which makes me strongly suspect he intends to implement OPA627 opamps). All I could find in my search today was less conclusive, but here it is, nonetheless:

 

http://www.head-fi.org/t/651769/fiio-x3-thread-full-review-http-www-head-fi-org-t-663600-impression-fiio-x3-high-fi-low-price/975#post_9433286

 

 http://www.head-fi.org/t/661411/fiio-x5-thread-info-updated-on-6-24-13-and-feature-poll-added-for-future-successor/195#post_9453995

 

 

 

P.S.: while I was searching the X3 and X5 threads, I re-read this unrelated but randomly-interesting post from James, about portable DAC chips:

 

http://www.head-fi.org/t/651769/fiio-x3-thread-full-review-http-www-head-fi-org-t-663600-impression-fiio-x3-high-fi-low-price/1425#post_9501244

post #938 of 19480
I have iems that are a 5 way crossover so I wish the X5 will be quintuple DAC to serve it well.
post #939 of 19480

I would like it to be solar powered and include a police scanner.  Oh and GPS, so I can tag where my songs have been listened to!

post #940 of 19480
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Originally Posted by Foldedpencil View Post

I would like it to be solar powered and include a police scanner.  Oh and GPS, so I can tag where my songs have been listened to!

 

I really think you're being unrealistic - how is the solar panel supposed to work if you have the DAP in your trouser/jeans pocket?

 

...Unless you wear transparent clothing, which rather reminds me of the old Tommy Cooper joke about the psychiatrist....

 

 

 

A bloke walks into a psychiatry appointment, wearing nothing except for clingfilm (saran wrap) underpants.

 

The psychiatrist looks up from the patient's file and exclaims: "Well, I can clearly see your nuts!"

 

 

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post #941 of 19480
Hey James,

In FiiO X3, the gapless is not supported in all play modes. I think it is supported only in album play.

Will X5 be able to offer full gapless playback support whichever the method we are using? I mean, I always use folder view/play so gapless would be so nice as you can know.
post #942 of 19480
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Originally Posted by AmberOzL View Post

 

About the E12 type of driving power. X3 is already quite powerful for a dap at this price. James said X5 will be a little bit more powerful than X3. I think apart from those maniac ortho's, X5 will be able to drive pretty much everything. What I mean is, most probably you won't looking for extra juice. So E12 can be an extra but not a need. I may be wrong though, only James's team know how powerful it will be.

 

 

I think I recall James mentioning that the X5 will be approximately 1.5x as powerful as the X3, but it's buried deep inside the X5 thread and I can't be bothered to find the exact post.

 

 

Read the very first post, the second number 2. You will find the reference there.

post #943 of 19480

Some of you guys seem to think that the sun rises and falls on high quality stand-alone DAP playback.  Any additional system connectivity capability is perceived as a potential threat to its final cost, if not completely superfluous to a DAP product:  "You want fries with that?" "Oh yeah, and solar powered, GPS, darns socks, feeds cats, pimps dates..."  Ahahahahahah....

 

The mobile audiophile community needs portable audio file source and transport options for transmitting high resolution digital data and analog line out to outboard DACs and/or amps via USB and SPDIF optical and coax outputs for their various high end portable mix and match rigs.  The combo 3.5 mm TRS jack for optical and coax SPDIF ouputs is a viable space saving option, as are mini and micro USB connectors. Right now it appears that the AK100/120 and DX100 DAPs are the only available choices.  Are you saying that Fiio shouldn't even consider offering the market a suitable cost savings alternative, perhaps with high quality stand-alone playback as well?  And yes, we'd be willing to pay extra for that.   

post #944 of 19480
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Originally Posted by jacal01 View Post

Some of you guys seem to think that the sun rises and falls on high quality stand-alone DAP playback.  Any additional system connectivity capability is perceived as a potential threat to its final cost, if not completely superfluous to a DAP product:  "You want fries with that?" "Oh yeah, and solar powered, GPS, darns socks, feeds cats, pimps dates..."  Ahahahahahah....

 

I realize that other people are going to have different needs/wants.  Certainly more input and output options are a real plus and will make the end product much more versatile.  It is not a matter of price for me, it is a matter of longevity and redundancy.  I already have tons of options for listening to internet radio services and not only would it be difficult for Fiio to implement these features, but they would also have to be maintained as those services change how they are distributed over time.  Internet protocols are constantly changing.  If the device just concentrates on DAP, then I can work around it with other tech as thing continue to evolve.  Someone with a dedicated and mature software focus like Google and Apple are in a much better position to service these needs.  On the other side of things, I don't really like "all-in-one" tech solutions.  For example, right now I have a Bluetooth transmitter that can be used to pair headphones to my phone.  With a decent "line-in" I can use it to add bluetooth capability to the DAP.  In a couple of years when my phone is using some new "ultratooth" technology with better bitrate/encoding, I can switch out the parts piecemeal as I want.  If I am unsatisfied with the performance of any transmitter, I am not commited to it, I can switch to another brand or version easily.  If the device has those features included, then every time I want to dip into a new tech, I have to wait for a full DAP refresh and commit to another big purchase.  Just how many "all-in-one" devices should we be buying annually anyway?  I want a DAP that I can buy, and then forget about looking for something better for a long time.  

 

I know that this is not how everyone feels.  Some people may find "all-in-one" appealing.  This is after all why there is so much interest here in a DAP with an integrated amp.  Others may simply be expecting to continue the upgrade cycle indefinitly.  We are all going to disagree about what features are essential and which are redundant, about which would be a luxury and which would be excessive.  What I want most from this device isn't necessarily a list of key feature.  What I want is: simplicity, elegance, utility, and longevity.  This is not going to be the only product on the market, so it isn't a matter of what would be nice in general, but rather, what mixture of features will offer a unique and enjoyable option for those not in the market for an AK120.
 

post #945 of 19480

S/PDIF digital output has been/will be around forever.  It's its optical out version that's currently the limiting factor on portable audio file source choices.

 

OTOH, OTG USB has far more potential for outboard DAC selection.


Edited by jacal01 - 8/12/13 at 9:17am
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