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post #8611 of 19490
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Originally Posted by cooperpwc View Post

Actually all that I did was to unpack two of CH23's mods, combine the desirable elements and repack. So your concern should be that CH23 will set your house on fire and run away with your wife.  :-)

Seriously, all kudos to CH23 for this.

Here it is: FW2.0 with the more attractive 'album art missing' placeholder and with the scroll wheel reversed.

https://onedrive.live.com/redir?resid=D307FA1F46FC44B6!12333&authkey=!AKYwSmb_bnr0Src&ithint=file%2c.fw

I only made the scroll wheel mod, right?
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Originally Posted by fleasbaby View Post

You're too generous smily_headphones1.gif.

CH23, please give her my fondest regards and remind her to be home for dinner tonight.

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I was planning in taking her out for dinner, but as you wish, she'll be back before evening.
post #8612 of 19490
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Originally Posted by CH23 View Post


I only made the scroll wheel mod, right?

 

No, you also provided the spinning LP album art placeholder (default_bg.png). I like it!

post #8613 of 19490
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Originally Posted by Brooko View Post
 

 

The EQ is designed to be that way.  As soon as you apply EQ, it automatically adjusts the volume output down by 6dB.  This is to give enough head-room to equalise without clipping.  Most (non-Heaf-Fi) people will EQ up, so this automatically adjusts the level for them to avoid clipping.

 

If you actually raise all 10 bands - you should get the same volume output as the 'normal' (un-EQ'd) output.

Thanks Brooko! What you say makes sense, and now I get it. It would be very helpful if DAP makers add this kind of answers to their product's FAQ or manuals, specially since not all players behave the same way (Cowons and iDevices certainly do not).

Cheers!

post #8614 of 19490
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Originally Posted by ClieOS View Post
 

1) Power comes from two parameters: voltage and current. X5 is very powerful, meaning at a particular voltage (volume), it can deliver a lot of current. However, with a 250ohm headphone with low sensitivity, what you want is actually a lot of voltage with relatively low demand on current. But as a portable player, having a really high gain (max voltage / volume) will result in harder to control volume range and increase hiss, therefore the gain setting need to be reasonable. As such, it is better to use an portable amp with high impedance headphone with low sensitivity if you want better result. After all, most user don't need that high a gain in their portable player.

 

2) If I am not mistaken, it is about 5dB to each side in 0.5dB increment, which is the usual number FiiO used.


Thanks ClieOS!

As I said to other forum member, DAP makers should include this information somewhere. I've read a lot before I purchased the X5, and I come to believe that it would drive the 250 Ohms DT 990 pretty well, but it doesn't (at least, it does not make the headphones reach nowhere near their potential sound). I just don't know about those who say that they are happy using the X5 with their Senns 650 or other 300 Ohms HP.

I guess an E12 is on its way to the shopping cart. :)

Cheers!

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Originally Posted by Muenchener View Post

I guess an E12 is on its way to the shopping cart. smily_headphones1.gif


Cheers!
You won't be disappointed smily_headphones1.gif

160gb of tunes are keeping me very content right now smily_headphones1.gif
post #8616 of 19490
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Originally Posted by schwim View Post

This new awakening of music has spurred me to also purchase a quality home audio system (Marantz and Goldenear gear on order) . I'm wondering if anyone is using the X5 as a music transport (pre-DAC) to feed their home system. Does this work, and what's the ideal way to hook it up, coax out? Thanks

 

I found the X5 direct Line-Out to my hifi (Tag McClaren AV32 192/24 Processor) was an improvement over my Sonos streaming system (non hi-res as Sonos will not go higher). But through Coax out using the Rega DAC, takes it even higher. All depends on quality of your DAC, but the Rega (£500) does elevate it significantly as expected.

post #8617 of 19490

For those of you that are interested.

 

I have compiled a set of scripts for both the X3 (including the "old" .bat scripts) and the X5 for windows, GNU/Linux and OSX.

Instructions on how to use said scripts can be found in the README.txt file.

All software credits goes to FiiO.

 

Download: https://db.tt/6vlPx023

 

Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
This is no rocket science, i just wanted to have a more extensive set of packtools available for the current FiiO DAP's.
post #8618 of 19490
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Originally Posted by Muenchener View Post
 


Thanks ClieOS!

As I said to other forum member, DAP makers should include this information somewhere. I've read a lot before I purchased the X5, and I come to believe that it would drive the 250 Ohms DT 990 pretty well, but it doesn't (at least, it does not make the headphones reach nowhere near their potential sound). I just don't know about those who say that they are happy using the X5 with their Senns 650 or other 300 Ohms HP.

I guess an E12 is on its way to the shopping cart. :)

Cheers!

For being 300ohms, the Senn 6xx's are relatively easy to drive to comfortable levels.

post #8619 of 19490
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Originally Posted by Muenchener View Post

Hi there! I'm a happy owner of a brand new Fiio X5, bought on B&H 3 days ago.

I have a few questions for the experts on this thread:

1) Is the maximum volume still a bit low? I've tried all my headphones with the X5, and I just can't use any volume level south of 65, even with the high gain on. And that happens even with low impedance IEMs. I expected a very powerful amp, but with some headphones such as the Beyers 990 250 Ohms, I have to use the full volume (I'm not deaf, my hearing is fine). Is this normal or I got a lemon?

2) Weird equalizer behaviour. If I use any other eq than normal (flat, no eq), the volume level gets down very noticeably. This is really weird. If I customize the eq, upping all 10 bands, I get a much quieter sound. This doesn't make any sense to me. Is this a bug?

3) Balance levels. I use the balance to achieve an almost perfectly centric sound, as I hear a bit more on one ear than on the other. The total balance change achievable for either channel appears to be quite low. On my Cowon Z2/J3 or iPhone 5S, the balance levels are much, much more powerful. A lot of people with more serious balance needs would not be able to get them with the small balance control of this 2.0 firmware. Is the balance control really that slight?

I thank you all for any insights and comments on these 3 issues that worry me about this otherwise great player!

Cheers!

 

1) I am using IEMs & if I turn things up past 65/70 it gets close to deafening. Check your source files, the gain on them is probably low. All of mine have been checked (& fixed where necessary) to be at optimal gain.

post #8620 of 19490
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Originally Posted by schwim View Post

I've had the X5 for over a week now and added the E12 a few days in. My HPO is the Shure 1540. I'm blown away, as my best gear up til now has been my Android phone and Klipsch in-ears.

This new awakening of music has spurred me to also purchase a quality home audio system (Marantz and Goldenear gear on order) . I'm wondering if anyone is using the X5 as a music transport (pre-DAC) to feed their home system. Does this work, and what's the ideal way to hook it up, coax out? Thanks

 

I am feeding the X5 via the line out to my desktop amp/speakers & it sounds great. However there is no external DAC in between, just the X5 DAC.

post #8621 of 19490
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Originally Posted by jbr1971 View Post
 

 

1) I am using IEMs & if I turn things up past 65/70 it gets close to deafening. Check your source files, the gain on them is probably low. All of mine have been checked (& fixed where necessary) to be at optimal gain.


Hi jbr1971. I only have FLAC files, with their original gain when I ripped them. I tried some tracks that I know have a high gain, and even then I have to use, at least, 65 or more to reach good sound levels. Only in a very quiet place am I confortable with 60 on average. I've tried the UE700, the HA-FXT90, the Klipsch X10, the B&W P3 and the Sony 7550, all more or less with the same results. I don't think this is a impedance issue, and I'm sure my hearing is fine. On my iPhone 5S, I barely need to go past half the volume using Neutron Player Eq'd.

I've read some issues with the equalizer once on 2.0 firmware. Perhaps something is buggy with the volume levels?

post #8622 of 19490
The lower volume is to protect the unit (and your earphones) from clipping - might be a bit aggressive I suppose, but surely safer to be quieter (and then boost the volume either with gain, or pure volume on the dial) than it is to keep at the same volume (so same potential for increasing the volume) and allowing said clipping / distortion / destruction of your earphones...

From reading around, it appears that when activating the EQ it reduces gain by 6db, so quite a lot...

Just to check, Neutron on the iPhone? - is that new, or a typo? (I have Neutron on my HTC One M8, and Onkyo HF Player on the iPhone 5S)
post #8623 of 19490
With my Cosmic Ears BA4r (121 db sensitivity, 16 ohm impedance) I'm listening at the volume of around 30 (between 27 and 34) on low gain. If I reached the level above 40 my hearing would be impaired. Maybe something is wrong with your unit Muenchener (or with your IEMs)?

EDIT: Maybe you have some strange settings in your X5? Go to Play Settings and check this.
Edited by shakur1996 - 5/5/14 at 9:07am
post #8624 of 19490
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Originally Posted by Duncan View Post

The lower volume is to protect the unit (and your earphones) from clipping - might be a bit aggressive I suppose, but surely safer to be quieter (and then boost the volume either with gain, or pure volume on the dial) than it is to keep at the same volume (so same potential for increasing the volume) and allowing said clipping / distortion / destruction of your earphones...

From reading around, it appears that when activating the EQ it reduces gain by 6db, so quite a lot...

Just to check, Neutron on the iPhone? - is that new, or a typo? (I have Neutron on my HTC One M8, and Onkyo HF Player on the iPhone 5S)

That would make sense, even if a bit too drastic for my tastes. I'm sure that the volume level I get around 60/70 is not as higher as I thought it would. But, of course, I still have all the way to 120, and that level can only be used on my 250 Ohms Beyers 990 (but still is not enough for them). In my case, 60 is the bare minimum to get an acceptable sound leven on my IEMs. The same middle-level I use with Neutron Player on my Cowon Z2 or iPhone 5S. But, I thought the X5 had way more amp power than a phone. 

Yes, the EQ definitely lowers the volume as soon as you switch to custom setting.

And yes, Neutron on the iPhone. It is a godsend for FLAC playing and overall SQ.

post #8625 of 19490
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Originally Posted by shakur1996 View Post

With my Cosmic Ears BA4r (121 db sensitivity, 16 ohm impedance) I'm listening at the volume of around 30 (between 27 and 34) on low gain. If I reached the level above 40 my hearing would be impaired. Maybe something is wrong with your unit Muenchener (or with your IEMs)?

EDIT: Maybe you have some strange settings in your X5? Go to Play Settings and check this.

30? Wow, that's low volume! I'm far from enjoying my music with that volume level. 55-60 with high gain is the lowest average I use since I bought the X5.

I don't think I have any strange settings, but I did upgrade the firmware to 2.0 before I used the X5 for the first time. I don't think that volume levels could somehow be reduced, unless the player has a hidden option for european volume control and that setting is on (that would pretty much explain my issue, but I don't know how to check it).

It is impossible that all my IEMs have problems, so that possibility is discarded right away. But, your Cosmic Ears may be specially sensitive in comparison to my IEMs.

Something I just thought is that if customizing the EQ lowers the total volume by 6dB, perhaps the use of the balance control do the same, and if they both add up, that'd be 12 dB, which is a lot less volume compared to no-EQ, no balance-controlled sound.


Edited by Muenchener - 5/5/14 at 9:25am
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