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post #7366 of 19490
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Originally Posted by AndrewH13 View Post
 

A friend gave me some DSD to try but they wont play. They are .dsf but got a feeling I read here that X5 plays .dff with the latest beta s/w.  Any idea if I can convert or what the difference is? Will X5 ever play .dsf?  Really out of curiosity just to give them a go.

I have about 10 albums in .dsf format and the X5 plays them with no problem.

post #7367 of 19490
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Originally Posted by AndrewH13 View Post
 

A friend gave me some DSD to try but they wont play. They are .dsf but got a feeling I read here that X5 plays .dff with the latest beta s/w.  Any idea if I can convert or what the difference is? Will X5 ever play .dsf?  Really out of curiosity just to give them a go.

All my DSD file are .dsf and play fine except for a small pop/click between song on X5. If you want to convert .dsf to .dff AudioGate software by KORG does it very well, you must have a Twitter account if you don't own one of their players.

post #7368 of 19490
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Originally Posted by AndrewH13 View Post

A friend gave me some DSD to try but they wont play. They are .dsf but got a feeling I read here that X5 plays .dff with the latest beta s/w.  Any idea if I can convert or what the difference is? Will X5 ever play .dsf?  Really out of curiosity just to give them a go.

The X5 plays both DSF and DFF but it has to be DSD64 not DSD128.
post #7369 of 19490

Guys, I found something weird about the EQ.

 

I love custom EQ, it's one of the must have feature. But since I have my X5, I always feel it sounds strange and unnatural. I have just upgraded X5 to v1.22 beta and play with EQ again, and I found if I level all bands to 0dB, which supposed to be sound exactly same as "Normal", but it's NOT, it sounds worst than Normal, like really muddy. 

 

I like the "base" of Normal, but I would like to add more treble and bass to it, which now I cannot, becoz of the muddy Custom EQ.

post #7370 of 19490
In my collection i have numerous .ISO files, unfortunately they won't play and I never had the need for separate tracks as Foobar2000 just displays the tracks correctly.

Is there a simple converting tool to extract the .ISO files into .dsd or dff files? Help or just pointing me in the right direction is much appreciated.
post #7371 of 19490

I found a playback bug with wave+cue format.

 

Let's say the whole track last 10 mins, so the cue file will be sth like this

 

Track 1 0:00-0:59

Track 2 1:00-1:59

Track 3 2:00-2:59

Track 4 3:00-3:59

etc.....

 

Let's say I want to keep repeating Track 3, when the X5 repeat the track, instead of playback from 2:00-2:59, it playback 2:01-3:00.

 

So what you listen is the beginning of the track is skipped, but the last thing u hear is the beginning of Track 4.

 

However, you fast forward to the end of the Track, X5 will not have this problem. So to test the bug, you have to let X5 play the whole track.

post #7372 of 19490
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Originally Posted by issachar1943 View Post

Guys, I found something weird about the EQ.

I love custom EQ, it's one of the must have feature. But since I have my X5, I always feel it sounds strange and unnatural. I have just upgraded X5 to v1.22 beta and play with EQ again, and I found if I level all bands to 0dB, which supposed to be sound exactly same as "Normal", but it's NOT, it sounds worst than Normal, like really muddy. 

I like the "base" of Normal, but I would like to add more treble and bass to it, which now I cannot, becoz of the muddy Custom EQ.
It's been said multiple times in this thread that custom eq lowers all freq. levels by some db to compensate for the ones you are bumping.. it's not muddy it's just quieter so you actually have to turn the volume up when doing custom eq.
post #7373 of 19490
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Originally Posted by issachar1943 View Post
 

Guys, I found something weird about the EQ.

 

I love custom EQ, it's one of the must have feature. But since I have my X5, I always feel it sounds strange and unnatural. I have just upgraded X5 to v1.22 beta and play with EQ again, and I found if I level all bands to 0dB, which supposed to be sound exactly same as "Normal", but it's NOT, it sounds worst than Normal, like really muddy. 

 

I like the "base" of Normal, but I would like to add more treble and bass to it, which now I cannot, becoz of the muddy Custom EQ.

 

That's normal. Because of the request of multi-band EQ (as oppose to the better sounding but more limited hardware EQ on X3), the EQ on X5 must be implemented via software. To do so without clipping the amp section (= adding noise), some headroom must be reserved and therefore the dynamic range will reduced, resulting in a slightly worst SQ (consider louder always makes thing sound better). So 'Custom' EQ on 0dB is NOT the same as 'Normal' EQ.

 

In short, it is a necessary evil.

 

p/s: Another way around is to not reserve any headroom and allows the amp section to clip. That's how Apple does on their iDevice and why their EQ always create more noise and distortion than actually being useful.


Edited by ClieOS - 4/21/14 at 10:08am
post #7374 of 19490
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Originally Posted by autoexec View Post


It's been said multiple times in this thread that custom eq lowers all freq. levels by some db to compensate for the ones you are bumping.. it's not muddy it's just quieter so you actually have to turn the volume up when doing custom eq.

 

Hm... so it's mind trick then? I have the feeling that it still sound weird even I turn the volume up.

 

Any detail about how many db it lowered? I would really like to fine tune the sound. :)

post #7375 of 19490
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Originally Posted by ClieOS View Post
 

 

That's normal. Because of the request of multi-band EQ (as oppose to the better sounding but more limited hardware EQ on X3), the EQ on X5 must be implemented via software. To do so without clipping the amp section (= adding noise), some headroom must be reserved and therefore the dynamic range will reduced, resulting in a slightly worst SQ (consider louder always makes thing sound better). So 'Custom' EQ on 0dB is NOT the same as 'Normal' EQ.

 

In short, it is a necessary evil.

 

p/s: Another way around is to not reserve any headroom and allows the amp section to clip. That's how Apple does on their iDevice and why their EQ always create more noise and distortion than actually being useful.

 

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Originally Posted by issachar1943 View Post
 

 

Hm... so it's mind trick then? I have the feeling that it still sound weird even I turn the volume up.

 

Any detail about how many db it lowered? I would really like to fine tune the sound. :)

 

ClieOS, you are right, it's EVIL.

 

I just figured the answer myself and I was hoping I was wrong before I tested it. 

 

As the available adjustment for Custom EQ is 6db, it looks like a very reasonable answer to my question. So I simply turn the all bands up to +6db. BANG, it now sounds just like Normal.

 

Which means, there's no EQ on X5 at all. This is a HUGE disappointment. :mad:

post #7376 of 19490
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Originally Posted by issachar1943 View Post

Hm... so it's mind trick then? I have the feeling that it still sound weird even I turn the volume up.

Any detail about how many db it lowered? I would really like to fine tune the sound. smily_headphones1.gif

All custom frequency levels tuned up to +6dB equals the "normal" level.
post #7377 of 19490
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Originally Posted by issachar1943 View Post

Hm... so it's mind trick then? I have the feeling that it still sound weird even I turn the volume up.

Any detail about how many db it lowered? I would really like to fine tune the sound. smily_headphones1.gif
not so sure about the exact db though.. (6? tongue.gif) mind trick, not really as it works pretty well for me. it's damn well better than those apple eq if you ask me. you just have to turn the volume up so you can hear your (most likely) undistorted custom setting properly. smily_headphones1.gif
Edited by autoexec - 4/21/14 at 10:20am
post #7378 of 19490
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Originally Posted by issachar1943 View Post
 

Which means, there's no EQ on X5 at all. This is a HUGE disappointment. :mad:

 

That's how all software EQ is implemented on just about every devices (from iPod to smartphone). By your logic, there is no such a thing called EQ in our world.  ;)

post #7379 of 19490
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Originally Posted by autoexec View Post


not so sure about the exact db though.. (6? tongue.gif) mind trick, not really as it works pretty well for me. it's damn well better than those apple eq if you ask me. you just have to turn the volume up so you can hear your (most likely) undistorted custom setting. smily_headphones1.gif

 

Really no disrespect to ppl who love to listen their music on Apple devices, and for those who still talking about the "godly" Gen 3 iPod with Lineout blah blah blah BS... is the biggest joke ever.

 

I bought iPod once, and I owned it for like 15 mins, worst purchase of my life ever!!!!

post #7380 of 19490
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Originally Posted by ClieOS View Post
 

 

That's how all software EQ is implemented on just about every devices (from iPod to smartphone). By your logic, there is no such a thing called EQ in our world.  ;)

 

I don't believe it... it's like taking the red pill in Matrix :eek:

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