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post #6706 of 19490
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Originally Posted by jaredudu View Post
 

Gapless playback is very good with 1.22beta :D 

 

Album art seems to load a bit slower possibly, but not a big deal. Could just be imagining it

I've noticed that too but, believe me, it doesn't even rise to the level of a trivial problem, as far as I'm concerned.

post #6707 of 19490
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Originally Posted by JamesFiiO View Post
 

the volume bottom works as previous/next is the advice from end user. we had asked the early customer in China about this and most customers choose this one.

 

sometimes I feel we are too listening to customer and may lost oursefl.  sorry for this cause some of you may not feel happy but I see lots of complain about the UI ( to be honest, I think the firmware/UE/UI is the best in Chinese

 

brand DAP), but most people are focus on it. so I am a little confused about the siutaion cause it seems the SQ is not the most important thing in X5.  :L3000:,

 

or it is safe to said, there are nothing to complain except the UI ?

 

The sound quality is amazing. If there were complaints or issues then I am sure everybody will be discussing it in this forum.

 

I am absolutely happy with the improvement in sound quality moving from X3 to X5. I have tried most of the popular DAPs in the market ever since the AK100 days, and I have to say the X5 is my favourite so far. Spending $700+ on more expensive DAPs didn't really give me any significant improvements. They sounded different, but not better.

 

Personally I would want a little bit more driving power for high impedance headphones, without compromising the performance for IEM. Maybe that's something I would want from the next model up (X7?).

 

The issues with the UI is something that Fiio can take back from user feedback and make minor adjustments on the firmware in the long run. That's why many people are giving feedback about what may be improved upon.

post #6708 of 19490

Hi James, i found the UI to be really great and working good, i really can't complain!

I've tested v1.22 beta firmware and FLAC gapless is now perfect, thanks! But it still have problems (a micro skips) with mp3 files :)

Btw, my silicon case is light smoke colour, i've seen some black one. What do am I missing?

post #6709 of 19490
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Originally Posted by JamesFiiO View Post
 

the volume bottom works as previous/next is the advice from end user. we had asked the early customer in China about this and most customers choose this one.

 

sometimes I feel we are too listening to customer and may lost oursefl.  sorry for this cause some of you may not feel happy but I see lots of complain about the UI ( to be honest, I think the firmware/UE/UI is the best in Chinese

 

brand DAP), but most people are focus on it. so I am a little confused about the siutaion cause it seems the SQ is not the most important thing in X5.  :L3000:,

 

or it is safe to said, there are nothing to complain except the UI ?

James I think you are correct.  When I ask customers at work what they want and we try to implement everything they way they want they get something that has compromises some of the other departments don't like.  The only criticism I really have is that an assessment of all current players features be assessed and those features that are considered "expected" on standard players should have been prioritized higher.  (I am not talking about AK240 and super high end DAPs but mass market players, ie. shuffling, playlists, etc.)  There are just minimums people expect now as you well know.  I do like the features you did include. It is great to see knowing your team created the platform "and" features as well.

 

If you would have implemented a near copy of an Apple type interface people would say you copied them.  I don't care!  It's not an apple product and it does high res audio.  I would choose fiio's over Apple any day of the week.  My only Apple device is Rockbox.  Sadly it has some features not found on X5 though the X5 has some other features and SQ much better.

 

I don't know personally yet because my X5 arrives tomorrow.  But some of what I'm reading about UI is that a lot of button functions are backward.  Volume up and volume down are implemented correctly but on the wrong buttons as it is not logical to the US market.  I'm not sure about chinese interface but do you read from right to left?  Buttons seems reversed based on posts I am reading.  

 

I think these things are manageable.  I would just take note of all these and consider X7 features to consider.  Since you are starting with Andriod you can worry less about some of the basics that are already part of the core code.  Limitations of the API and high memory and CPU utilization is something to consider highly if you use Android as your base.  I know you don't have unlimited development cycles but I was hoping to stay away from android altogether.  

 

People on this forum will kill me but can you consider win8 mobile OS as a base as a possibility? Very fluid and not limited by android  code issues at this point.  Anyway, scratch my last note if it's ridiculous.

 

For everyone else:

 

Homer simpson once advised a car maker how to make a car and this is what he ended up with and bankrupt the company he was advising:  ( I do like the separate mother-in-law seat in it's own bubble )

 

 


Edited by Shenook - 4/10/14 at 7:19pm
post #6710 of 19490
I'll take sound quality over UI issues all day long.
post #6711 of 19490
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Originally Posted by sandalaudio View Post

For me the most annoying bug is that the scroll wheel moves the list up and down in opposite directions depending on which menu you are on. e.g. clockwise moves down on browser and settings page, but anticlockwise moves down on main menu and playback track list page. Imagine if the mouse scroll wheel on your computer moves some texts and tables up, but down on others, because the designers thought that it was the right thing to do.

Also, some pages allow the bottom physical buttons to be used as up and down, whereas in other pages (e.g. settings page) these buttons don't do anything so the only choice is the scroll wheel. 
These are intentional choices on Fiio's part. Please don't conflate them with bugs. It could be confusing for people unfamiliar with the X5 and is disrespectful to Fiio. Just say you don't agree with their design choices. That's much more appropriate in this context.
post #6712 of 19490

At some point, Fiio has to put their foot down and stop devoting so many man hours to satisfying every single customer request. I do hope they can further improve the UI before making that call, though. I think they're pretty close now that gapless is fixed.

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The last few pages of this thread has been dominated by discussion of the "speed vs size" trade I mentioned about the library database. The thing is, this "trade" was just speculation on my part, and today I've talked to the engineering department and they've told me that the database is limited by internal storage and not RAM. The question then returns to whether said database file can be placed on an SD card instead of internal memory. We can't promise anything at this point but wink.gif
post #6714 of 19490
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Originally Posted by Joe Bloggs View Post

The last few pages of this thread has been dominated by discussion of the "speed vs size" trade I mentioned about the library database. The thing is, this "trade" was just speculation on my part, and today I've talked to the engineering department and they've told me that the database is limited by internal storage and not RAM. The question then returns to whether said database file can be placed on an SD card instead of internal memory. We can't promise anything at this point but wink.gif

 

Sound like mostly positive to me. Hopeful a workaround can be found.

post #6715 of 19490
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Originally Posted by Shenook View Post

James I think you are correct.  When I ask customers at work what they want and we try to implement everything they way they want they get something that has compromises some of the other departments don't like.  The only criticism I really have is that an assessment of all current players features be assessed and those features that are considered "expected" on standard players should have been prioritized higher.  (I am not talking about AK240 and super high end DAPs but mass market players, ie. shuffling, playlists, etc.)  There are just minimums people expect now as you well know.  I do like the features you did include. It is great to see knowing your team created the platform "and" features as well.

If you would have implemented a near copy of an Apple type interface people would say you copied them.  I don't care!  It's not an apple product and it does high res audio.  I would choose fiio's over Apple any day of the week.  My only Apple device is Rockbox.  Sadly it has some features not found on X5 though the X5 has some other features and SQ much better.

I don't know personally yet because my X5 arrives tomorrow.  But some of what I'm reading about UI is that a lot of button functions are backward.  Volume up and volume down are implemented correctly but on the wrong buttons as it is not logical to the US market.  I'm not sure about chinese interface but do you read from right to left?  Buttons seems reversed based on posts I am reading.  

I think these things are manageable.  I would just take note of all these and consider X7 features to consider.  Since you are starting with Andriod you can worry less about some of the basics that are already part of the core code.  Limitations of the API and high memory and CPU utilization is something to consider highly if you use Android as your base.  I know you don't have unlimited development cycles but I was hoping to stay away from android altogether.  

People on this forum will kill me but can you consider win8 mobile OS as a base as a possibility? Very fluid and not limited by android  code issues at this point.  Anyway, scratch my last note if it's ridiculous.

For everyone else:

Homer simpson once advised a car maker how to make a car and this is what he ended up with and bankrupt the company he was advising:  ( I do like the separate mother-in-law seat in it's own bubble )

 
Very good post. I was about to post something similar (minus the Homer's car wink.gif), but I think you captured my thoughts pretty well.
post #6716 of 19490

the fact is that there are huge room for us to improve the firmware in the future and we already release our plan.  and we will keep working at this .

 

at the same time, it help nothing to ask us again and again what should we take care because it can be done in one or two days. everyone can see the improvement in X5 compared with X3.

 

but we are very young in DAP compare with iRiver, Apple , this take time to learn and people have lots of choice.

 

BTW, I am testing the new UI in X3 already. and the new firmware in X5 will also support some 32Bit music.

 

So, we are not lazy, we are listening and working. just try to let you guys knows the SQ is still the most important thing to us to improve by the new firmware .

post #6717 of 19490
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Originally Posted by nmatheis View Post


These are intentional choices on Fiio's part. Please don't conflate them with bugs. It could be confusing for people unfamiliar with the X5 and is disrespectful to Fiio. Just say you don't agree with their design choices. That's much more appropriate in this context.

 

Sorry. I will take it back. I didn't realise it was an intentional choice to have the scroll wheel go opposite directions depending on the page you're on.

I thought it was a genuine programming mistake with maybe a wrong line in the code or something.

 

It doesn't mean the X5 is a bad player. I think it is the best choice for high quality DAP at the moment.

post #6718 of 19490
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Originally Posted by JamesFiiO View Post
 

the volume bottom works as previous/next is the advice from end user. we had asked the early customer in China about this and most customers choose this one.

 

sometimes I feel we are too listening to customer and may lost oursefl.  sorry for this cause some of you may not feel happy but I see lots of complain about the UI ( to be honest, I think the firmware/UE/UI is the best in Chinese

 

brand DAP), but most people are focus on it. so I am a little confused about the siutaion cause it seems the SQ is not the most important thing in X5.  :L3000:,

 

or it is safe to said, there are nothing to complain except the UI ?


Different people seem to prioritize different things and different people seem to have different dealbreakers. Fortunately, it seems like nobody who has actually heard the X5 has any complaints about the sound quality. For me, personally, that's the most important part and that's why I love my X5, and my issues with the UI cannot really be categorized as problems, more like... minor inconveniences that I would rather have implemented otherwise(for example - when skipping a song in lockscreen mode, I would really prefer the "volume up" button to skip forward, and not backwards), but I can definitely live with it and probably even get used to it. People seem to have complaints about the scrolling being counter-intuitive in one part of the software, but to me it works great and is intuitive. After reading about it, I actually had to go back to it and check what people mean when they say it is counter-intuitive... quite honestly I feel like for me personally, it would be counter-intuitive it was any other way than it is right now. So yah, we are coming back to where we started - lots of different people with lots of different preferences :)

 

On a side note. Earlier in the thread I reported certain problems with skipping a song or forwarding to the next song and the wait between me giving the command and the new song actually starting. In firmware 1.20 there was a wait of about 0.5-1.0 second from clicking the next button, to the song starting, and about 2-3 seconds from me choosing any (but the next) song and the song starting to play. In that post from several days ago, I said I wished skipping songs was as seamless and instantaneous as pausing and resuming the song is. I am happy to report that in the 1.22 beta this problem seem to have been resolved and skipping songs now works smoothly and instantaneously :) Thanks for that, Fiio!

 

edit: I wanted to suggest a playlist workaround to people who would rather use playlists than genre for playing their music. What I thought about was, loading all your files in foobar when x5 is connected to your computer, selecting all the songs you want in a playlist and changing their "genre" field to something like "playlist 1" and then looking for that "genre" when playing music in the X5. The bad thing about this workaround is that you won't be able to have a song in more than one "playlist". Again, I would suggest this workaround only if you don't use genres for any real purposes in your X5(i.e. if you don't play music by genre).


Edited by pe3ucTop - 4/10/14 at 9:05pm
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Hi guys, I've been using the beta 1.22 fw for a full battery cycle and would like to share some of my impressions while the X5 is charging.

 

1) I'm not sure if this is my imagination but SQ, especially the vocals, is less in-your-face than 1.20, it feels a lot more balanced, while retaining what makes the X5's SQ great in the first place.

2) Wheel response in the menus is a lot better! Yay! Edit: Heck, the whole UI feels more responsive in general.

3) Tracks play immediately when selected, whereas in 1.20 there would be a slight delay.

 

I'm loving this DAP more and more and I hope to see these improvements make it to the full version of the firmware! Keep up the good work Fiio!


Edited by Pekku - 4/10/14 at 8:57pm
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Were sound quality improvements made in 1.22? I thought it was just UI fixes. And is it still beta or official firmware now ?
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