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Originally Posted by Brooko View Post
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You didnt get my point either, but nevermind.    I hear what you are saying - but that is not my issue.    

 

You did miss a third option:   publicly bring up the issues and ask the manufacturer what they plan do about it

 

With all other products, publicly sharing of issues with them is accepted without the risk of being subject to personal attacks.    Why is it different here?  

 

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Originally Posted by CH23 View Post
 


it's not an irrational defense, what's happening isn't that you're just telling us/fiio that there's problems, you keep going on about it, like a child asking attention from their mother. that's what bothers me.

 

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FiiO has been actively fixing a lot of stuff.

 

 

There were a couple of posts complaining about the issue - and the bulk of the posts after that are addressed to the people who seem to insist that our issues are not relevant. 

 

If the emotionally vested crowd didnt start jumping in saying thing like the post below, it would have ended there.   If you lot insist on saying our issues are irrelevant, then of course we are going to go on and tell you why they arent.   And then you get to complain that we are going on and on about the same thing.    This is getting seriously cult-level weird.

 

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Originally Posted by sandalaudio View Post
 

 

People are shouting threats about refusing to buy X5, cancelling order, return to get money back.. etc, because they want to get noticed.

 

Funny, I think the people who are defending the X5 are so emotionally vested in the product that they are taking any criticism of the product as an attack on themselves.    I am merely discussing the product's weaknesses - you guys are resorting to personal attacks about my motives.   

 

If you lot would just stop poking your noses into complaints that are obviously irrelevant to you, this discussion would not have run so many pages.  But no, you have to keep jumping in and first spend 5 pages telling us that our issues are not relevant and then spend another 5 pages complaining about how we are going on and on about it.   What about you lot?  I certainly dont want to read pages and pages of posts from someone else telling me what should/shouldnt matter to me.

 

To make things more constructive, let me make a proposal.    You lot stop making personal attacks on my motives, you lot stop talking down my issues and insisting that they are not relevant, and I'll stop repeating them.  Is that fine?

 

The reason I posted my issues originally was because I'd like to hear from FiiO on when (or if) they plan to fix the following issues, all of which have been around:

 

1/ The 5800 song limit

2/ Gapless playback issues

3/ Reliable databasing based on ID3 tags 

 

So, can someone from FiiO (and NOT the peanut gallery) answer this?   A simple "we are working on it and will fix it soon" or "we have no plans to fix it cos we dont think this is important" would be sufficient.


Edited by vkalia - 4/9/14 at 6:00am
post #6497 of 19486
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Originally Posted by vkalia View Post
 

 

There were a couple of posts complaining about the issue - and the bulk of the posts after that are addressed to the people who seem to insist that our issues are not relevant.

 

If the emotionally vested crowd didnt start jumping in saying thing like the post below, it would have ended there.   If you lot insist on saying our issues are irrelevant, then of course we are going to go on and tell you why they arent.   And then you get to complain that we are going on and on about the same thing.    This is getting seriously cult-level weird.

 

 

Funny, I think the people who are defending the X5 are so emotionally vested in the product that they are taking any criticism of the product as an attack on themselves.    I am merely discussing the product's weaknesses - you guys are resorting to personal attacks about my motives.  

 

If you lot would just stop poking your noses into complaints that are obviously irrelevant to you, this discussion would not have run so many pages.  But no, you have to keep jumping in and first spend 5 pages telling us that our issues are not relevant and then spend another 5 pages complaining about how we are going on and on about it.   What about you lot?  I certainly dont want to read pages and pages of posts from someone else telling me what should/shouldnt matter to me.

 

To make things more constructive, let me make a proposal.    You lot stop making personal attacks on my motives, you lot stop talking down my issues and insisting that they are not relevant, and I'll stop repeating them.  Is that fine?

 

The reason I posted my issues originally was because I'd like to hear from FiiO on when (or if) they plan to fix the following issues, all of which have been around:

 

1/ The 5800 song limit

2/ Gapless playback issues

3/ Reliable databasing based on ID3 tags 

 

So, can someone from FiiO (and NOT the peanut gallery) answer this?   A simple "we are working on it and will fix it soon" or "we have no plans to fix it cos we dont think this is important" would be sufficient.

 

1, this is a techincal issues, I have to ask someone to help me translate to English, and Joe gone to Singapore and just back to Hong Kong. but mainly , this issues is about the RAM resource , we have to limited the quantity

 

   in case the system crunsh.

 

2, Yes, new firmware will imporve this issues. but there are not perfect gapless playback, did I explain that the system need to load the next sound tracks into the RAM >

 

3, Not total understand the situation.

 

there are a thread about our firmware updated already.

 

Official plans for firmware updates for the X5 after version 1.10!
http://www.head-fi.org/t/707751/official-plans-for-firmware-updates-for-the-x5-after-version-1-10

 

Please PM to Joe, ID Joe Bloggs about the detail of the ID3tags

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Chalk this one up to a crazy idea:  Everybody is saying how wonderful and perfect "RockBox" is - Why doesn't FiiO get in contact with the open source developers and offer them a free X5 for their help in getting some of the missing features like gapless play and ReplayGain, media index limits (file limits), etc. fixed or working - then give a free X5 to the ones who help!!!

 

That would accelerate the process . . .  or??

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DELETED, as James has already replied.

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Originally Posted by greatbadir View Post

I think you've both misunderstood what krayziehustler meant...

How I read that comment (krayziehustler - please correct me if I am wrong) is as follows:

If we use Led Zeppelin as an example, and one decided that one wanted to listen to the complete works of Led Zepp in order, and that order as shown in the folder structure is 1>2>3>4 (let's just stick with the numbers, as it easily illustrates the point), then after the last track of Led Zepp 1, the assumption is that the player would then move on to the first track of Led Zepp 2. Logical, and what every player I've ever owned since the early 00s has done.

If I understand krayziehustler's comment correctly, the suggestion is that the X5, rather than moving on to the first track of Led Zepp 2, just goes back and starts with the first track of Led Zepp 1 again.

Have I understood all that correctly and got it right?


Just to reiterate what I've already said several times - I hate, HATE, iPods. I don't like the company, I don't like the products, I don't like their business practices. Also, I do not want to carry multiple source units around with me. The key word in Portable Source Gear is PORTABLE. I just want one box with 'phones, not two boxes taped together and with extra wires thanks.

 

A folder is a folder. If you want Led Zep 1,2,3,4 to all play and you cant select individually (I would do personally but then I used to turn LPs over!) they should be numbered in one folder.

 

Assuming an album is in a folder (good practice - even iTunes sorts this) how could the unit know that after the first folder not to go into another album you don't want or another artist? But to do so if they had similar titles!

 

As I said before, I would be most upset if I selected a folder and then anything from ANY other folder played.
It just would undo the whole point of Folder View.


Edited by AndrewH13 - 4/9/14 at 6:25am
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"but there are not perfect gapless playback, did I explain that the system need to load the next sound tracks into the RAM"

 

Many, many lower-spec players have perfect gapless playback. This involves loading the start of the next sound track into RAM while the current one is still playing; a few seconds from the end of the current one. This is very, very possible and is standard behaviour on many weaker, older players. There are not any excuses for this to be overlooked, and if we don't at least hear that it's in development I will be sending back my X5. I am confident however that it will be in development and hope that everything will be good in the coming weeks.

 

My friends and I describe devices which don't have gapless playback as having 'hapless playback'. It's at least ten years since there was any technical excuse for it.

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Thank you for taking the time to reply, James.   As I mentioned in my original post, I also own an X3 and an E12, and so am not simply making noise for the sake of making noise.

 

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Originally Posted by JamesFiiO View Post
 

 

1, this is a techincal issues, I have to ask someone to help me translate to English, and Joe gone to Singapore and just back to Hong Kong. but mainly , this issues is about the RAM resource , we have to limited the quantity

 

   in case the system crunsh.

 

2, Yes, new firmware will imporve this issues. but there are not perfect gapless playback, did I explain that the system need to load the next sound tracks into the RAM >

 

3, Not total understand the situation.

 

there are a thread about our firmware updated already.

 

Official plans for firmware updates for the X5 after version 1.10!
http://www.head-fi.org/t/707751/official-plans-for-firmware-updates-for-the-x5-after-version-1-10

 

Please PM to Joe, ID Joe Bloggs about the detail of the ID3tags

 

1/   Well, with 256Gb of storage, it is quite easy to exceed the 5800 song mark and the whole point of getting a player like the X5 is to cram in as many songs as possible.   Do you think this is something that CAN be fixed, perhaps by using some space on the memory card?   If yes, I'll stick with the product.   If no, then I will have to return it with regrets.

 

2/ If I understand the issue correctly, this is less of an issue when playing using the Album view, so that is a sufficient workaround, provided library indexing using Id3 tags is bombproof.   Which brings us to the next point:

 

3/ As it stands, library indexing of the X5 does have issues with the system crashing halfway through the scan process, not indexing all the albums, etc.   I can understand cleaning up the Id3 tags significantly, but it is difficult to just limit the ID3 tags to Title / Album / Artist.   Some of us need Composer, Album Artist and also a third field for Orchestra.    The reason this makes me nervous is b/c it is an ongoing issue -  it took me 2.5 months before I was able to get the X3 to read the albums properly - and even now, i am always nervous about changing albums on the card, in case those issues  crop up.       If this can be made bombproof, that would be perfect (but that would also involve issue #1).   

 

I dont want to sit in here and keep carping on the issues either, no matter what some of the people here think.  I'd just like your opinion on which of these is an issue we will have to live with, and which of these can be fixed, so that i can either stay with the product for a bit or cancel my order.

 

Thanks.


Edited by vkalia - 4/9/14 at 6:32am
post #6503 of 19486

Also, getting Rockbox developers involved (or even better, explicitly allowing a Rockbox install) would be an excellent idea. For the kind of user who is using Fiio players, Rockbox support would solve all your issues very quickly.

post #6504 of 19486

"the whole point of getting a player like the X5 is to cram in as many songs as possible."

 

This might be how you want to use it and that's fair enough but this is not in fact the actual aim of this player at all. The reverse (the point is a small number of HQ files) is far closer to being true.

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Originally Posted by thericochet View Post
 

"the whole point of getting a player like the X5 is to cram in as many songs as possible."

 

This might be how you want to use it and that's fair enough but this is not in fact the actual aim of this player at all. The reverse (the point is a small number of HQ files) is far closer to being true.

 

Why else would you put 2 memory card slots then? If that wasn't the aim 1 memory card slot would have been cheaper and still gone all the way up to 128GB.

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"Why else would you put 2 memory card slots then?"

 

2 64GB cards full of FLACs even at 16/44 (let alone the intended HD quality) is nowhere near 5800 songs.

Whether you can hit 5800 songs even with 2 128GB cards of FLAC 16/44 is going to depend enormously on what you are putting on there.

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Originally Posted by vkalia View Post
 

 

1/   Well, with 256Gb of storage, it is quite easy to exceed the 5800 song mark and the whole point of getting a player like the X5 is to cram in as many songs as possible.   Do you think this is something that CAN be fixed, perhaps by using some space on the memory card?   If yes, I'll stick with the product.   If no, then I will have to return it with regrets.

 

2/ If I understand the issue correctly, this is less of an issue when playing using the Album view, so that is a sufficient workaround, provided library indexing using Id3 tags is bombproof.   Which brings us to the next point:

 

3/ As it stands, library indexing of the X5 does have issues with the system crashing halfway through the scan process, not indexing all the albums, etc.   I can understand cleaning up the Id3 tags significantly, but it is difficult to just limit the ID3 tags to Title / Album / Artist.   Some of us need Composer, Album Artist and also a third field for Orchestra.    The reason this makes me nervous is b/c it is an ongoing issue -  it took me 2.5 months before I was able to get the X3 to read the albums properly - and even now, i am always nervous about changing albums on the card, in case those issues  crop up.       If this can be made bombproof, that would be perfect (but that would also involve issue #1).   

 

I dont want to sit in here and keep carping on the issues either, no matter what some of the people here think.  I'd just like your opinion on which of these is an issue we will have to live with, and which of these can be fixed, so that i can either stay with the product for a bit or cancel my order.

 

Thanks.


I'm too having problems with library blocking halfway through the scan process and i'm forced to use the folder view. I'm very picky on this subject and all my files are perfectly tagged. They are mp3s (V0), and FLACS (16-44 and 24-96).

post #6508 of 19486

Here's a thought:

 

Internal memory limitations are responsible for the 5800 track restriction.  Why not keep track indices for each SD card on the card itself?  That what eliminate the necessity of scanning each card whenever one is changed (after the initial scan, of course).

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Originally Posted by ptravel View Post
 

Here's a thought:

 

Internal memory limitations are responsible for the 5800 track restriction.  Why not keep track indices for each SD card on the card itself?  That what eliminate the necessity of scanning each card whenever one is changed (after the initial scan, of course).

A very good suggestion I think. Only have to scan each card once, and limited only by what the user has put on there.

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I was on the tour and I really enjoyed the X5, but I never do playlists or shuffle, so I had no issue with its shortcomings in this area. However, I do sympathize with users who want these kinds of functions in place as they are quite common and have been available on a number of daps for sometime. Fiio are beginners at designing UIs (this is their second player ever), so at this stage, they do not yet have the capability or experience to produce a UI that is all things to all people - this is just a cold, hard fact. My only personal gripe would have to be the lack of gapless playback - that is something I thought would be fixed by now as newer versions of the firmware were released, but it seems like James is saying that it will never be true gapless due to hardware limitations (really unfortunate imo and I hope I'm wrong).

 

Everybody has to decide whether they can live with its drawbacks or not, and go from there. If you are really particular about how well the UI is able to serve your needs and habits, the X5 may not be your cup of tea. If you can live with one that has a relatively basic level of functionality (in the grand scheme of the dap world), I'm quite confident that you'll enjoy it.

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