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post #6451 of 19481
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Originally Posted by sherifcalder View Post
 

I particularly like the X5 with Earsonics IEM and the HIFIMAN. With the X5, the Momentum sound seems to be thinner with less definition. Heaven VI is good too as it adds smoothness without weakness.

IMO, my Earsonics and HIFIMAN are very close to the sound I like: pretty neutral, big soundstage, black background, good PRAT.

 

The best headphone / IEM does not exist as it depends the kind of sound you like.

 

Oh sorry, what I was trying to gauge was how much of the SQ improvement you heard is coming from the lower output impedance of the X5 compared to whether or not the X5 actually has a higher quality sound

post #6452 of 19481

I was going to bite the bullet on this DAP but I think I'm going to wait until all the issues have been sorted. That or buy the AK100. At this stage I don't think there is any reason to buy the Fiio X5 over my rockboxed 5th gen iPod.

post #6453 of 19481
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Originally Posted by ptravel View Post
 

I agree that browsing the two SD cards separately makes sense, and can actually be a good thing, e.g. I'm planning to use my X5 when I fly long-haul.  It would be nice to keep an extra card for audio books that I can drop in to replace one of the music cards. Talk about overkill, though -- I usually rip my audio books to 96k and playing them on a fine instrument like the X5 is a bit like giving a toddler a Gibson Strat to learn to play guitar. ;)

 

One thing about folders, though: if playing folders can't be done gapless then I really have to reconsider whether I want to keep my X5 which, otherwise, I love.  I have more than 5800 files on the two 64 Gb cards as it is.  I listen to complete albums, never individual songs, and the only way I can access my entire collection is by folder browsing.  Gapless has to work in folder mode.

what about a Fender Les Paul? lol

post #6454 of 19481
How come it's so hard for you people to have a sense of perspective?

FiiO, unlike Apple, Sony, Philips, etcetera, doesn't have millions to spend on research.
And they don't have a western market to see what it is exactly what the western market wants.
So you have more than 5800 files. Good for you. Most people won't have this. FiiO tries and succeeded in making a very well designed audio player, for a small price.

A relatively small chinese company listens to us, tries to create a device according to our wishes, and manages to do this. If you can find another device from a small company that performs as well as this one, go there and please don't return.

I know for certain it won't be astral & kern. They barely even fix bugs.

Bigger companies?
Apple won't even play flac.
Sony has lacking sound quality.

/rant
post #6455 of 19481
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Originally Posted by CH23 View Post

How come it's so hard for you people to have a sense of perspective?

FiiO, unlike Apple, Sony, Philips, etcetera, doesn't have millions to spend on research.
And they don't have a western market to see what it is exactly what the western market wants.

FiiO tries and succeeded in making a very well designed audio player, for a small price.

A relatively small chinese company listens to us, tries to create a device according to our wishes, and manages to do this. If you can find another device from a small company that performs as well as this one, go there and please don't return.
+1

Are you keeping your X3, by the way? If so, how are you going to use it? I'm waiting on my X5 and haven't decided what to do with my X3. Somewhat tempted to get a DX90 to see how it stacks up against the X5 wink.gif
post #6456 of 19481

i got a weird question for james, i know there are bottlenecked restrictions for the X5. but is it possible for you to implement multiple firmwares that cater to different people's needs? like replaygain, mp3gain etc etc and as well as above the 5800 limit for songs. personally i dont really care about using my x5 as a desktop dac, so perhaps you could cater a firmware for people who wants to us the X5 as a purely porta music player and people who wished it to be a all rounder device. so whatcha think? :)

post #6457 of 19481
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Originally Posted by CH23 View Post

How come it's so hard for you people to have a sense of perspective?

FiiO, unlike Apple, Sony, Philips, etcetera, doesn't have millions to spend on research.
And they don't have a western market to see what it is exactly what the western market wants.
So you have more than 5800 files. Good for you. Most people won't have this. FiiO tries and succeeded in making a very well designed audio player, for a small price.

A relatively small chinese company listens to us, tries to create a device according to our wishes, and manages to do this. If you can find another device from a small company that performs as well as this one, go there and please don't return.

I know for certain it won't be astral & kern. They barely even fix bugs.

Bigger companies?
Apple won't even play flac.
Sony has lacking sound quality.

/rant

If they want to sell to the western market instead of saying we did not implement this particular feature because of what the Chinese are used to then perhaps they should start listening to what the western market wants if they indeed they wish to sell to this market which if I'm not mistaken, is exactly what they are attempting to achieve. I have no doubt that their next DAP will reflect this.

 

And with regard to apple not playing FLAC, my Apple device plays it very well, albeit after changing the firmware.


Edited by oldmate - 4/8/14 at 11:31pm
post #6458 of 19481
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Originally Posted by CH23 View Post

How come it's so hard for you people to have a sense of perspective?

FiiO, unlike Apple, Sony, Philips, etcetera, doesn't have millions to spend on research.
And they don't have a western market to see what it is exactly what the western market wants.
So you have more than 5800 files. Good for you. Most people won't have this. FiiO tries and succeeded in making a very well designed audio player, for a small price.

A relatively small chinese company listens to us, tries to create a device according to our wishes, and manages to do this. If you can find another device from a small company that performs as well as this one, go there and please don't return.

I know for certain it won't be astral & kern. They barely even fix bugs.

Bigger companies?
Apple won't even play flac.
Sony has lacking sound quality.

/rant


Indeed, I am kind of disappointed by the amount of bashing X5 is receiving and mainly for its UI, it seems. I've had X5 for a week now and even though it has its minor problems, people seem to forget what they are buying - a portable high resolution player. I've just spent the last 4 hours just listening to music on my X5 and my oh my... it's brilliant. I totally love it. In my books Fiio has aced the most important part of their product - the sound quality. The UI is never going to be or even resemble apple quality. Of course I'd love to have playlist support or skipping between songs to be seamless and instantaneous, but at the end of the day, what's going on when one is not preoccupied with playlists and is actually using the player for its intended purpose, is more important to me.

 

I personally am willing to wait to see what Fiio will do in their next firmware updates and if they are going to fix some of the problems people are reporting. And if no playlist is supported ... I'd be willing to spare some of my time to reorganize my files in a file system that works around this shortcoming of the firmware simply because for me the sound quality is worth it, especially for the price.


Edited by pe3ucTop - 4/8/14 at 11:34pm
post #6459 of 19481
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Originally Posted by M-13 View Post
 

OMG so much whining on this thread ROFL :veryevil:

 

Why wouldn't you just organize your music into neat folders and use folder browse mode?

 

Seems like the most logical / sensible thing to do. And there is no limit to how many songs if you're using browse mode.

 

The inability to shuffle 5800 songs is not a "deal breaker". You guys are so funny. :rolleyes: In fact you can shuffle an unlimited number of songs, just put it into one folder and and use folder browse mode and use shuffle.

 

:facepalm:

post #6460 of 19481
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Originally Posted by addsfsds View Post


Thanks, I'm trying this now. Strange because the card is brand new and working perfectly on my pc :\

EDIT: Nothing... i removed a 24 bit 88.1 album and now it's stopping at 1319 frown.gif

RE-EDIT: I even changed to Slot 2, it's now freezing at 1338 frown.gif
I once removed several folders on my X3 to investigate a freeze and found out that there seems to be a problem with long filenames. The file with the long name got loaded but it was not recognized by the player.
post #6461 of 19481
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Originally Posted by nmatheis View Post

+1

Are you keeping your X3, by the way? If so, how are you going to use it? I'm waiting on my X5 and haven't decided what to do with my X3. Somewhat tempted to get a DX90 to see how it stacks up against the X5 wink.gif

Actually i gave it away to a friend.
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Originally Posted by mullos View Post

If they want to sell to the western market instead of saying we did not implement this particular feature because of what the Chinese are used to then perhaps they should start listening to what the western market wants if they indeed they wish to sell to this market which if I'm not mistaken, is exactly what they are attempting to achieve. I have no doubt that their next DAP will reflect this.

And with regard to apple not playing FLAC, my Apple device plays it very well, albeit after changing the firmware.

You might not have noticed, but JamesFiiO has communicated with us from the very start, with the X3 too.
The thing is, there are an x number of people all wanting different things, so you have to compromise on something.

If you have to change firmware, it isn't really apple supporting it, is it?
post #6462 of 19481
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Originally Posted by CH23 View Post

How come it's so hard for you people to have a sense of perspective?

FiiO, unlike Apple, Sony, Philips, etcetera, doesn't have millions to spend on research.
And they don't have a western market to see what it is exactly what the western market wants.
So you have more than 5800 files. Good for you. Most people won't have this. FiiO tries and succeeded in making a very well designed audio player, for a small price.

A relatively small chinese company listens to us, tries to create a device according to our wishes, and manages to do this. If you can find another device from a small company that performs as well as this one, go there and please don't return.

I know for certain it won't be astral & kern. They barely even fix bugs.

Bigger companies?
Apple won't even play flac.
Sony has lacking sound quality.

/rant

  

This irrational defense of the X5 at all costs is starting to get extremely annoying.   What, just b/c some of you guys dont have any issues, the rest of us are supposed to just suck it up and not give our feedback?    Do you want to pay me $350 for my X5?  If so, you can buy it off me and I'll leave this thread.  If not, please dont presume to tell me that my issues are not justified and/or that I should get something else.

 

What sense of perspective should I have if I have just bought a player for $350 that doesnt perform very basic functional tasks?    And let's be clear here - basic indexing of files using ID3 tags, and gapless playback isnt exactly cutting edge, revolutionary stuff - it has been on offer for ages.  These problem have been around since the start of the X3 and have been masked by apologists like you, who keep making excuses for the company and diluting the feedback whenever it was provided.      

 

As for the excuse that they dont know what Western consumers want - every time a western consumer tries to tell them that gapless is an issue, ID3 tagging is an issue, people like you jump in and start making excuses, justifications and telling the entire world that their product is fine and we are just ranting/whining/whatevers.     So how the hell are they supposed to figure it out?

 

All through the world tour, it was like "yeah, there are minor issues with tagging and gapless and they'll be fixed by launch".   And guess what - they still havent been fixed.     I dont care about what problems the AK units have or the iBasso units have - I care about getting the problems on my X5 unit remedied.

 

Let me put it another way - instead of telling us to buy another product, why dont you stick to enjoying your perfect product, and leave the rest of us who want improvements continue to ask for it? 


Edited by vkalia - 4/8/14 at 11:50pm
post #6463 of 19481
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Originally Posted by vkalia View Post
 

  

How come it is so hard for people like you to accept that your precious player is NOT perfect, and stop making apologies for the product when people provide their feedback?   

 

What sense of perspective should I have if I have just bought a player for $350 that doesnt perform very basic functional tasks?    Basic indexing of files using ID3 tags, and gapless playback isnt exactly cutting edge, revolutionary stuff - it has been on offer for ages.  These problem have been around since the start of the X3 and have been masked by apologists like you, who keep making excuses for the company and diluting the feedback.      

 

All through the world tour, it was like "yeah, there are minor issues with tagging and gapless and they'll be fixed by launch".   And guess what - it still hasnt been fixed.   

 

As for the excuse that they dont know what Western consumers want - every time a western consumer tries to tell them that gapless is an issue, ID3 tagging is an issue, people like you jump in and start making excuses, justifications and telling the entire world that their product is fine and we are just ranting/whining/whatevers.     So how the hell are they supposed to figure it out?

 

Let me put it another way - instead of telling us to buy another product, why dont you stick to enjoying your perfect product, and leave the rest of us who want improvements continue to ask for it?


Word.

post #6464 of 19481
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Originally Posted by sandalaudio View Post
 

The existing Chinese users can keep on using the folder based navigation. We are not trying to make them change to the tag based system. What we want is Fiio to realize that the tags are just as important, and people around the world who have a good collection of HD lossless audio files wishes for better tag support.

 

^^ THIS.

 

Of course, it is hard to get this message across b/c every time someone brings it up, 5 other people chime in and say "no no, no need, folder browsing is good enough" or "who cares for ID3 tagging", all b/c they simply cannot BEAR the thought of their beloved unit being less than perfect.    

 

This is not a rational discussion anymore - there is too much emotional investment into the product on the part of some people, who insist of making this personal and attacking us by calling us whiners or irrational or whatever.  

post #6465 of 19481
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Originally Posted by vkalia View Post
 

  

This irrational defense of the X5 at all costs is starting to get extremely annoying.   What, just b/c some of you guys dont have any issues, the rest of us are supposed to just suck it up and not give our feedback?    Do you want to pay me $350 for my X5?  If so, you can buy it off me and I'll leave this thread.  If not, please dont presume to tell me that my issues are not justified and/or that I should get something else.

 

What sense of perspective should I have if I have just bought a player for $350 that doesnt perform very basic functional tasks?    And let's be clear here - basic indexing of files using ID3 tags, and gapless playback isnt exactly cutting edge, revolutionary stuff - it has been on offer for ages.  These problem have been around since the start of the X3 and have been masked by apologists like you, who keep making excuses for the company and diluting the feedback whenever it was provided.      

 

As for the excuse that they dont know what Western consumers want - every time a western consumer tries to tell them that gapless is an issue, ID3 tagging is an issue, people like you jump in and start making excuses, justifications and telling the entire world that their product is fine and we are just ranting/whining/whatevers.     So how the hell are they supposed to figure it out?

 

All through the world tour, it was like "yeah, there are minor issues with tagging and gapless and they'll be fixed by launch".   And guess what - they still havent been fixed.     I dont care about what problems the AK units have or the iBasso units have - I care about getting the problems on my X5 unit remedied.

 

Let me put it another way - instead of telling us to buy another product, why dont you stick to enjoying your perfect product, and leave the rest of us who want improvements continue to ask for it? 

 

Valid point - but .......

 

There is a medium for reporting bugs, suggesting improvements etc (https://app.devzing.com/FiiO/bugzilla/).  Fiio are actively using it, and it keeps all the ideas for improvements in one place.  it also allows people to elevate the awareness of the fault.  The more popular requests should (hopefully) be treated with greater importance.

 

The issue that you need to keep in mind is that Fiio are selling to a big audience, and everyone has different wants / needs.  Some they can support - some will take time.

 

What doesn't help is the few (extremely vocal) people posting over and over about the same faults - and how it's affecting them.  Yes your entitled to an opinion, and yes you've voiced it.  Now do something about it please.  Choices:
 - file the fault on their bugzilla, and get like minded people to elevate it

 - wait for the fix

 - or sell the unit (there would be plenty of buyers available at the moment, and you wouldn't lose much)

 

But it would be kind of nice if we didn't have to read the same thing over and over again from the vocal minority.  This thread has already exploded out of control with many posts echoing the same thing.  My advice - do something about it or move on.  It's a DAP - it's not a life changing choice ;)

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