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post #6391 of 19479

I'm not sure checking the file for a replaygain value in advance of playing it (while buffering it?), and turning the output amp up/down by x dB accordingly as it starts, uses any appreciable system resources.

 

That wouldn't affect the line out, only the headphone out, but at least it would be supported and wouldn't require any resampling or anything.


Edited by thericochet - 4/8/14 at 8:30am
post #6392 of 19479

For context, even the cheapest iPods do this (Sound Check), the cheap SanDisk players do it out of the box, and any old mp3 player of rubbish supermarket spec can do it when running Rockbox. The simple implementation as described above really doesn't use any resources at all.

 

I'm sure that many, many people would value its implementation greatly.

 

Also, as someone who has already bought an X5, I'm pretty much willing to beg ;)


Edited by thericochet - 4/8/14 at 8:46am
post #6393 of 19479
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Originally Posted by thericochet View Post
 

For context, even the cheapest iPods do this (Sound Check), the cheap SanDisk players do it out of the box, and any old mp3 player of rubbish supermarket spec can do it when running Rockbox. The simple implementation as described above really doesn't use any resources at all.

 

I'm sure that many, many people would value its implementation greatly.

 

Also, as someone who has already bought an X5, I'm pretty much willing to beg ;)

 

I'm in the same boat. Please, PLEASE consider adding ReplayGain support in a future update, FiiO!

post #6394 of 19479
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Originally Posted by mhammond View Post


Good to know, thanks. I haven't done a lot with those tools, will have to look into it this week. Still, a little perplexed at the necessity. Oh well, another thing to do while I wait for mine, heh.

 

To be fair, using folder view looking at files, filenames should be used!

 

I have had to alter some of mine that slipped through the net, iTunes and the like using tagging has made many lax, but if any computer wants an order, it will do so alphabetically.

post #6395 of 19479

I have a question about the new stacking kit accessory for the X5: is the 3.5mm interconnect included in the kit of a better quality (build and improvement to SQ) than that of the stock interconnect which comes with the E12/E12DIY?

 

FiiO's website provides the following description about the 3.5mm interconnect which comes with the stacking kit:

 

HPC-23TN
Oyaide branded, all-Japanese interconnect.
Utilizing PCOCC-A cable from Furukawa Electric

Cable: Pure PCOCC-A single core copper
Braided shielding with silver-plated OFC copper

 

As for the E12/E12 DIY stock interconnect cable, I believe it's the same as the L2/L8 which also uses PCOCC-A as the conductor material.

 

Does the 'single core copper' of the HPC-23TN mean anything?

 

Can somebody explain to me if the description of the materials used gives an idea of the quality of the cable? I don't know much about cables and I'd appreciate it if anyone can provide any info. Thanks!

post #6396 of 19479
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Originally Posted by ptravel View Post
 

Amen to that!  I'm not an audiophile, but have a reasonably good ear for audio reproduction from recording and mixing my own music.  I thought understood what soundstage meant when I read it here on head-fi but now, after listening to the X5 for a little while, I finally really know what everyone is talking about.  The difference is truly dramatic.  I went from hearing a "blob" of sound on the left, one on the right, and a big blob in the middle of my head to being completely immersed within the musicians.  It is really a very different (and much more fun and grantifying) listening experience, and well worth the price of the X5, particularly considering it is only a bit more than an iPod classic.

 

I could have quoted any number of X5 comments on here, but what is surprising is comparing a comment like yours with those in the iPhone/X5/ZX1 thread where the OP says he cant hear any significant difference between an iPhone and those other DAPs.

 

Sure hope you and many others here are correct while I await my Fiio X5!

post #6397 of 19479
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Originally Posted by ptravel View Post
 

I've got USB 3.0 ports on my desktop and bought a USB 3.0 card reader from eBay for just a couple of bucks.  It made really fast work of transferring all of my music.

 

 

 

I got one of these yesterday, fed-up with so many adapters and the Micro card goes in direct. Very nice for file transfer. Now come on Fiio delivery!

 

http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B007PFQ0PC/ref=pe_385721_37986871_TE_item

post #6398 of 19479
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Originally Posted by krayziehustler View Post
 

Ive run into the ridiculous 5800 file limit. Database will only recognize/tag this much...smdh

 

Wait... so... FiiO has still not released a firmware with their "updated File Management" thingie?

I thought that was going to be done in March?!

Or is the firmware update is still being worked on??

 

And where does that file limit come from!?

 

 

Thanks.

post #6399 of 19479
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Originally Posted by AndrewH13 View Post
 

 

I could have quoted any number of X5 comments on here, but what is surprising is comparing a comment like yours with those in the iPhone/X5/ZX1 thread where the OP says he cant hear any significant difference between an iPhone and those other DAPs.

 

Sure hope you and many others here are correct while I await my Fiio X5!

I've never used an iPhone, so I can't comment on it.  I can only say that I have no axe to grind, here -- if I wasn't happy with the X5, I would have returned it or sold it and simply kept on using my iPod Classic which, in some respects, is easier to use than the X5.  However, as I mentioned, the listening experience on the X5 is very noticeably more immersive.  Perhaps it was the audiophiles call "detail," but there is definitely a difference.  I'd also note that the music that I record and mix is stored as 320 kpbs mp3s on the iPod (transcoded down from 96k/32-bit wav).  On the X5, I transcode down to 96k/24-bit ALAC.  This is the same source material and transcoded with the same software direct from my audio editing software (Adobe Audition 3.0).  The difference between the two is very, very noticeable, at least to me.

post #6400 of 19479
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Originally Posted by Kendoji View Post

I can completely understand that the database limit and other elements of the software are dealbreakers for some people. That doesn't mean FiiO have done something wrong. They've made their choices, and now we get to choose if we agree with them and can vote with our wallets.
 

 

I dont really think that was a deliberate design choice.   I think it is something that just happened.  The whole "it is a feature, not a defect" argument doesnt work here.

 

To be honest, I am more inclined to be tolerant towards FiiO.  What really grates on my nerves are the apologists (not your post above - it is fairly reasonable even though I disagree with it), such as the person a few pages ago who claimed that it is not justified for us to bash FiiO for one small problem, or the people who are comparing these issues to problems with iDevices or whatever.  

 

Going into semi-rant mode, and the rest of this post isnt addressed to you specifically, but more of a general response:

 

Re the former - again, just b/c it is a small problem for one person doesnt mean it is a small problem for others.   I bought the X5 over the DX90 b/c of its capacity - and taking a leap of faith that *someday* they'll learn to do tag-based database correctly.    To find out now that this extra space cannot be utilized completely is frustrating and I think FiiO need to know that this is not a small issue.   And this message gets diluted when all these other people have this inexplicable urge to jump in and defend the company/product as if this is a personal attack on them.  It isnt.  It isnt as if I like to spend $350 on a product just so I can bash it.   However, I have bought a product, and I am airing what is a legitimate concern about it - another reader here doesnt get to dismiss my concerns as unimportant merely b/c they are madly in love with their X5 and cannot bear to hear anything ill about it

 

Re the latter - there is a big difference between a bug in a relatively minor area - one that doesnt affect core functionality - and say, an inability to index files properly using ID3 tags and to play gapless.  These 2 are pretty damn major issues.   This would be the equivalent of a phone that has issues with the contact list, or something.   

 

My last word on this subject, addressed in general to the people who think we are just hating - we are not.   We ARE providing  feedback to the manufacturer on what we think the issues with the product are.   If you think the product is perfect, good on you.    Some of us would like some improvements, however, so while a discussion of the issues is fine, undermining our feedback by implying we are hating/being unfair/unreasonable is not really a very nice thing to do.  

 

Back to content - my feedback for FiiO:

 

1/ Please fix ID3 tagging.  In this day and age, it does not make sense to be forced to use a folder view as the primary way of selecting music.    My music is all nicely tagged with Composer Name - Album Title, and I dont need to scroll up and down through several hundred albums or different memory cards to find a different version of the same symphony.    Nor do I want to be limited to 5800 songs.    With all due respect, this area has been a weak point of FiiO since the release of the X3, which i also own (along with an E12) - so despite my criticisms here, I HAVE supported your company with my wallet.   

 

2/ Gapless.  This needs to be fixed as well.    My favorite version of Rite of Spring, for example, is broken up into 20+ songs.  But it should play as one cohesive whole, and even a 1 second gap between songs completely ruins the flow and the mood.

 

I can tolerate a clunky UI, I can tolerate occasional crashes and other issues.   Those are growing pains.   But basic functionality should be there.   The above 2 are, to my mind, essential functions for an audiophile-quality DAP, especially if you want to appeal to audiophiles.     Please fix all this first before getting into more specialized/niche functionality.

post #6401 of 19479
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Originally Posted by greatbadir View Post
 
I'll say it again - I have around 18-19000 songs in a VARIETY of formats. I have many FLAC and WAV files and moving forward most if not all of the stuff I get will be lossless. BUT I also still have a lot in ogg and mp3 (minimum 160 in ogg, 224 in mp3). I do not want to re-rip what I have in ogg and mp3 because I have neither the time nor the inclination to do so with that many albums (ignoring the fact that most of my collection is boxed up in the loft anyway!).

So, I'm looking at the X5 and similar for the SQ with the large amount of lossless files I have, but also hoping that the X5 (or whatever player I get) will also be able to handle the even larger number of lossy files I have - I do not want to carry around multiple source units for those different file formats, nor a case full of memory cards.

So your car analogy does not really apply in my case.

Besides, the Fiio comes with the ability to play lossy file formats and, by all accounts, with better SQ than non-hi def audio players (assuming a decent bit rate to begin with, of course).

So the problem I have is neither embarrassing, nor ironic.

 

Sorry. I get what you mean now.

 

I have always thought of my X3 and X5 as a very high quality, battery driven D/A converter with a good headphone amp. The SD card playback bit was just a simple feature to drag and drop a dozen albums that I need on the go. I never dreamed of putting my entire music library into a little portable device like the X5, because this is just my travel buddy and I have a far better archiving and playback system on my laptop that I can take out if I really needed to listen to thousands of songs when I'm away from home.

 

The main question that is yet to be answered is whether Fiio engineers are skilled enough to implement a change to allow for a larger number of files. Considering how the GUI is looking now (it hasn't even got to iPod Classic level yet), I think the chance is slim, or might take a while.


Edited by sandalaudio - 4/8/14 at 10:09am
post #6402 of 19479

Ok - so I went back to the store and my very patient store owner found a work around to have the Fiio X5 work as a USB storage device and to have it work as a stand alone USB DAC.  You need to downgrade the X5 to version 1.1 firmware; with 2.1 firmware the USB connection functions as a charger only, not as a USB data connection. Finally, I no longer need to pull put the memory cards to update the library.  

 

Thanks everyone for your help.

post #6403 of 19479
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Originally Posted by dpaulyn View Post
 

Ok - so I went back to the store and my very patient store owner found a work around to have the Fiio X5 work as a USB storage device and to have it work as a stand alone USB DAC.  You need to downgrade the X5 to version 1.1 firmware; with 2.1 firmware the USB connection functions as a charger only, not as a USB data connection. Finally, I no longer need to pull put the memory cards to update the library.  

 

Thanks everyone for your help.

You can't select between USB modes like on the X3?

post #6404 of 19479
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Originally Posted by dpaulyn View Post
 

Ok - so I went back to the store and my very patient store owner found a work around to have the Fiio X5 work as a USB storage device and to have it work as a stand alone USB DAC.  You need to downgrade the X5 to version 1.1 firmware; with 2.1 firmware the USB connection functions as a charger only, not as a USB data connection. Finally, I no longer need to pull put the memory cards to update the library.  

 

Thanks everyone for your help.

You can't select between USB modes like on the X3?

I have had no trouble getting my x5 to work in storage mode using firmware 1.2. I have not yet tried USB DAC mode, but there is a menu selection to choose between these modes.

post #6405 of 19479

Okay, I've hit a little snag.

 

In Folder mode, how do you play the entire contents of a single folder?   If I select a folder, it shows me the files in the folder.  If I select the first file, it plays it, but then stops, i.e. it doesn't go on automatically to the next file in the folder.  What am I doing wrong?

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