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post #5251 of 19490
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Originally Posted by furyagain View Post
 

i notice you said the x5 doesnt really have enough power to drive hd800 or lcd3,

will stacking x5 with e12 work well?

I believe it would, yes.

post #5252 of 19490
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Originally Posted by kkcc View Post


I had demoed both at length and won't say 802 is vastly better than X5 if you are not driving full-size cans. They have quite different tuning - X5 more neutral and focus on separation/clarity, 802 is warmer and focus on a lush vocal presentation. Which one sound "better" probably come down to preferences on sound, and with 802 having the edge on power while x5 the edge on built materials and UI...


Thanks for the report. I may have to try them both :rolleyes:

post #5253 of 19490

Hi guys,

 

Just sharing my thoughts on the tour of the X5. This is my first time writing a review and i've looked through past reviewers comments and I probably need more experience in reviewing audio gears. Please bear with me for a while.

 

Hardware

Pros: The X5 is pretty well constructed and feels sturdy. Overall, the construction is very good. It feels premium on the hand. No complains on the accessories as it comes with expectation.

Suggestions: I feel the wheel texture can be made better. Textured layers instead of circular lines may make a user control the wheels better.

The scrolling wheel feels flimsy. When I tap on the wheel, it felt like its not properly secured and a slight noise when 2 metal plates hit.

The USB point opening could be made better to fit a USB shape instead of a standard rectangle cut. I dont usually look at the charging point and often, just plug it in blindly. However, most of the time it doesnt fit in at first try. Imaging charging of my samsung hp.

The 4 buttons outside the wheel seems to confuse me abit. I cant seem to understand what each button does. Perhaps a clearer indication will help.

 

 

UI

Pros: The UI is simple and easy to use. Probably user will get the full picture after a few mins with the UI. Its very responsive and probably not much time lag between each console.

Suggestions: To adjust the volume, when the X5 is in sleep mode while playing in background, I have to press the on/off button to wake up, press the vol control button and then the scroll wheel to adjust volume. Total of 3 steps. I feel adjusting vol is one of the most fundamental and necessary and often used by user. I probably wish it can be done in a single move instead of 3.

Some times, the scrolling can be too fast and causing some annoyance to scroll to the right page. Hopefully a function to adjust the sensitivity of the scroll will be good. 

 

 

Sound

First foremost, I've used a ATH M50, Brainwavz B2 and ATH IM03 during the period. 

The first earphone on X5 was the B2. B2 was known for its clarity and flatness and a pretty unexciting IEM. Using the B2 for commute with a samsung phone, it sounded like someone talking instead of singing. However, things took a whole new level when paired with the X5. The presence of bass is there. Engaging and tight. X5 seems to have expanded the soundstage, giving the B2 an engaging presence to the listener. The change is not subtle. Its overwhelming and makes my B2, a $140 + earphone sounded like a $400+ multi BA phone. It caught me by a pleasant surprise. I didnt know with a good DAP, the B2 can sing that well. Overall, I find the paring makes the B2 sounded bright in a good way. Probably I prefer vocals with clarity. I actually listened for a few hours which I couldnt help myself to stop. I just wish to explore all my songs all over again with the X5.

 

With a similar expectation, I was hoping it will give an even better boost to the IM03 and the M50. Unfortunately, that experience only came with the former. For IM03 and M50, X5 does give it a wider sound stage presence, brighter sounding, and more energy to the music. I was hoping it could bring me to a new level. But the improvement was not as overwhelming as B2.

 

Overall, I feel the X5 is a pretty capable DAP. I will think its a better DAP than AK 100. If anyone is looking for the AK100, probably can give X5 a demo before committing. I'll give a thumbs up for Fiio's X5.

post #5254 of 19490
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Originally Posted by adammax View Post
 

Hi guys,

 

Just sharing my thoughts on the tour of the X5. This is my first time writing a review and i've looked through past reviewers comments and I probably need more experience in reviewing audio gears. Please bear with me for a while.

 

Hardware

Pros: The X5 is pretty well constructed and feels sturdy. Overall, the construction is very good. It feels premium on the hand. No complains on the accessories as it comes with expectation.

Suggestions: I feel the wheel texture can be made better. Textured layers instead of circular lines may make a user control the wheels better.

The scrolling wheel feels flimsy. When I tap on the wheel, it felt like its not properly secured and a slight noise when 2 metal plates hit.

The USB point opening could be made better to fit a USB shape instead of a standard rectangle cut. I dont usually look at the charging point and often, just plug it in blindly. However, most of the time it doesnt fit in at first try. Imaging charging of my samsung hp.

The 4 buttons outside the wheel seems to confuse me abit. I cant seem to understand what each button does. Perhaps a clearer indication will help.

 

 

UI

Pros: The UI is simple and easy to use. Probably user will get the full picture after a few mins with the UI. Its very responsive and probably not much time lag between each console.

Suggestions: To adjust the volume, when the X5 is in sleep mode while playing in background, I have to press the on/off button to wake up, press the vol control button and then the scroll wheel to adjust volume. Total of 3 steps. I feel adjusting vol is one of the most fundamental and necessary and often used by user. I probably wish it can be done in a single move instead of 3.

Some times, the scrolling can be too fast and causing some annoyance to scroll to the right page. Hopefully a function to adjust the sensitivity of the scroll will be good. 

 

 

Sound

First foremost, I've used a ATH M50, Brainwavz B2 and ATH IM03 during the period. 

The first earphone on X5 was the B2. B2 was known for its clarity and flatness and a pretty unexciting IEM. Using the B2 for commute with a samsung phone, it sounded like someone talking instead of singing. However, things took a whole new level when paired with the X5. The presence of bass is there. Engaging and tight. X5 seems to have expanded the soundstage, giving the B2 an engaging presence to the listener. The change is not subtle. Its overwhelming and makes my B2, a $140 + earphone sounded like a $400+ multi BA phone. It caught me by a pleasant surprise. I didnt know with a good DAP, the B2 can sing that well. Overall, I find the paring makes the B2 sounded bright in a good way. Probably I prefer vocals with clarity. I actually listened for a few hours which I couldnt help myself to stop. I just wish to explore all my songs all over again with the X5.

 

With a similar expectation, I was hoping it will give an even better boost to the IM03 and the M50. Unfortunately, that experience only came with the former. For IM03 and M50, X5 does give it a wider sound stage presence, brighter sounding, and more energy to the music. I was hoping it could bring me to a new level. But the improvement was not as overwhelming as B2.

 

Overall, I feel the X5 is a pretty capable DAP. I will think its a better DAP than AK 100. If anyone is looking for the AK100, probably can give X5 a demo before committing. I'll give a thumbs up for Fiio's X5.

I think it's because the first time is unforgetable :)))). How can u enjoy M50 and IM-03 when u still think about B2 :)))

post #5255 of 19490

B&H now shows a price of $349 for the new X-5. I've decided to order one as soon as available. The AK240 may be even better but I can not justify a $2,150 price difference for native DSD, better UI, streaming ect....Thanks for the reviews from the early adopters out there, I can't wait to replace my gen 5 Ipod!

post #5256 of 19490
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Originally Posted by adammax View Post
 

Hi guys,

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Overall, I feel the X5 is a pretty capable DAP. I will think its a better DAP than AK 100. If anyone is looking for the AK100, probably can give X5 a demo before committing. I'll give a thumbs up for Fiio's X5.

 

Why do you think it would be better than the AK100, have you heard the AK100? Or the comparison mentioned earlier in this thread?

Certainly the AK100 Mark II or the RWAK100 (Modified version of the AK100 with low impedance) would be tough competition for the X5..

post #5257 of 19490
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Originally Posted by Carlsan View Post
 

 

Why do you think it would be better than the AK100, have you heard the AK100? Or the comparison mentioned earlier in this thread?

Certainly the AK100 Mark II or the RWAK100 (Modified version of the AK100 with low impedance) would be tough competition for the X5..

 

IMO no and I owned the RAW AK100. The Studio V spanked it. The modded AK120-S mod is a completely different story though. I give Vinnie props there.

post #5258 of 19490
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Originally Posted by lee730 View Post
 

 

IMO no and I owned the RAW AK100. The Studio V spanked it. The modded AK120-S mod is a completely different story though. I give Vinnie props there.


Whatever, I happen to think that my modded AK100, done in Japan, with a new coupling capacitor and the 22 ohm resister removed, sounds quite good.

Haven't heard the Studio V, but my previous experience with Hisound Audio players has not been good. They never met a UI that was useable. :biggrin:

 

IMHO, the modified AK100 compares quite favorably with the Ibasso R10, and "spanks" the DX50, should I also say, it wipes the floor with the X3?

 

Cheers, :beerchug:

post #5259 of 19490

I can't argue there the UI isn't a highlight of hisounds players but it is easy enough to use (very basic). In terms of sound quality I feel that is where it really shines over the AK100. I sold the DX100 and bought the RWA unit at the time and it was a big downgrade personally in terms of sound quality... The AK120 managed to be on par if not slightly below the DX100. I see the X5 decimating AK sales due to having much more value for the money.


Edited by lee730 - 3/16/14 at 1:38pm
post #5260 of 19490
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Originally Posted by lee730 View Post
 

I can't argue there the UI isn't a highlight of hisounds players but it is easy enough to use (very basic). In terms of sound quality I feel that is where it really shines over the AK100. I sold the DX100 and bought the RWA unit at the time and it was a big downgrade personally in terms of sound quality... The AK120 managed to be on par if not slightly below the DX100. I see the X5 decimating AK sales due to having much more value for the money.

 

I would pick the X5 over AK or RWAK 100/120 any day of the week.  I would probably still pick X5 over these 100/120 even if the X5's price doubled.  Also I think AK120 still sound materially worse than the DX100 imho.  Tho I can imagine one prefers the AK 100/120 sounds if they prefer a warm sig over neutral/transparency.

post #5261 of 19490

If I wasn't so fixated in wanting an ESS Tech Sabre implementation, the X5 would definitively be my favorite. My enjoyment with it has been very memorable.

post #5262 of 19490
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Originally Posted by kkcc View Post
 

 

I would pick the X5 over AK or RWAK 100/120 any day of the week.  I would probably still pick X5 over these 100/120 even if the X5's price doubled.  Also I think AK120 still sound materially worse than the DX100 imho.  Tho I can imagine one prefers the AK 100/120 sounds if they prefer a warm sig over neutral/transparency.

 

The AK120 was warm on its earlier firmware. Not so much on the updated one. Although on the 8A which was extremely bassy as is it was too bassy even on the AK120 unless on a particular firmware which made the unit lack power. In this is reduced the bass to almost acceptable levels.


Edited by lee730 - 3/16/14 at 1:59pm
post #5263 of 19490
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Originally Posted by Carlsan View Post
 

 

IMHO, the modified AK100 compares quite favorably with the Ibasso R10, and "spanks" the DX50, should I also say, it wipes the floor with the X3?

 

Cheers, :beerchug:

With the price difference from X3 and AK100 I can actually hire someone to swipe my floors for a few months :D

 

That being said, X5 is far away from X3 as well.


Edited by dan.gheorghe - 3/16/14 at 2:03pm
post #5264 of 19490
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Originally Posted by dan.gheorghe View Post
 

With the price difference from X3 and AK100 I can actually hire someone to swipe my floors for a few months :D

 

That being said, X5 is far away from X3 as well.

 

Yes, good point.

Price differences in the audiophile world never equal the sound differences..

 

I'm on the fence between the X5 and DX90, seems as if the next few weeks are going to be very interesting in the DAP world.. :popcorn:

post #5265 of 19490
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Originally Posted by Carlsan View Post
 

 

Yes, good point.

Price differences in the audiophile world never equal the sound differences..

 

I'm on the fence between the X5 and DX90, seems as if the next few weeks are going to be very interesting in the DAP world.. :popcorn:

if all things equal I am going with x5 for the sole reason they listen to us and are not rude and don't seem to be "too good for you" and respect our feedback. Calyx m and the lack of interaction with ibasso is a big turnoff for me. As long as x5 can hold it's own I can forgive some ergonomic and size issues. Fiio gets my money and I own nothing of theirs yet. X5 x1 x7 and x3 version 2 is in my future.

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