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post #5056 of 19481
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Originally Posted by Brooko View Post
 

 

Bowei

 

I'm going through your reviews at the moment - and I'm a bit puzzled with one bit of info.  You commented regarding the crowding of the top ports and called it a potential issue.  I could be a 'little thick' here - but bear with me:

  • If you're using the headphone out - you won't be using a plug in either the line out or coax out sockets (there is no point)
  • If you're using the line out (ie to an amp) - you won't be using a plug in either the headphone out or coax out sockets (there is no point)
  • If you're using the coax out (ie to another dac) - you won't be using a plug in either the headphone out or line out sockets (there is no point) 

 

If above is true - then there cannot possibly be any issues with overcrowding.

 

Sorry - not meaning to be overly OCD - but it appeared to me you were trying to find possible faults that didn't really exist .....

 

I have tested this out with my good buddy's M50 (my COPs on LO, his on headphone out); sound will come out from only the LO. So yes, your observation is correct that the X5 can output sound from only one of these ports at a time. I am not sure about the overcrowding comment since I have not watched the review yet :X

post #5057 of 19481

OK - interesting

 

I wasn't actually commenting on the "if it is possible".  I was simply saying that there would never be a reason to use more than one of the ports at a time (IMO)

post #5058 of 19481

I'm assuming my questions(s) regarding the EQ weren't addressed because nobody exactly knows the specifics at this point?  Am I the only one who gets worried when a digital EQ shows up?  On a consumer level, many of them are often rather bad.  I'm not saying that's the case here or that it's likely to be the case by default, but this is the reason for my curiosity about it - if anyone knows how good of an implementation it is and/or where it originates from.  

 

 

 

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Originally Posted by Brooko View Post
 

OK - interesting

 

I wasn't actually commenting on the "if it is possible".  I was simply saying that there would never be a reason to use more than one of the ports at a time (IMO)

IMO, that's one of the more useful parts of a device that has both, a headphone out and a line-out.  You can plug the line-out into another amp (perhaps similar sounding) and A/B two different sounding headphones.  And/or, you can use it to listen with a friend.  I did and still do this on a consumer level like when/if someone comes over (I have two sets of the same cans), we can both experience music for example through whatever pair of awesome headphones I may want to show/listen in.  With a coax out (at least with a dedicated DAC/amp), I can link even a third pair.  It's great!  I somewhat do this now at a professional level (although a bit differently).  In any case, aside from the obvious pairing with an external amp, what I mention is I think at least half the benefit of having both.  I wouldn't agree with you there.


Edited by Typhoon859 - 3/9/14 at 5:23am
post #5059 of 19481
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Originally Posted by Typhoon859 View Post

IMO, that's one of the more useful parts of a device that has both, a headphone out and a line-out.  You can plug the line-out into another amp (perhaps similar sounding) and A/B two different sounding headphones.  And/or, you can use it to listen with a friend.  I did and still do this on a consumer level like when/if someone comes over (I have two sets of the same cans), we can both experience music for example through whatever pair of awesome headphones I may want to show/listen in.  With a coax out (at least with a dedicated DAC/amp), I can link even a third pair.  It's great!  I somewhat do this now at a professional level (although a bit differently).  In any case, aside from the obvious pairing with an external amp, what I mention is I think at least half the benefit of having both.  I wouldn't agree with you there.
If you are A/B-ing headphones one through LO and one through HO they will have different sound sigs you should be using a Y splitter through the HO for a more direct comparison. So I think Brooko has a valid point.
post #5060 of 19481
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Originally Posted by howdy View Post


If you are A/B-ing headphones one through LO and one through HO they will have different sound sigs you should be using a Y splitter through the HO for a more direct comparison. So I think Brooko has a valid point.

That's the worst thing that you can do actually.  That's terrible not just for comparison; it affects the sound so much that the only thing you'll be able to distinguish is how much worse the headphones sound with the splitter as opposed to directly.  There are several reasons for that.  

 

More appropriate would be to split the LO signal and use two identical amps.  Using the headphone out and pairing the line-out with a similar amp is the next best thing however.  Even better would be to do it using a balanced line output actually.  In any case, I was just giving an example.  Also, Brooku was making less of a point than stating his opinion.  I did the same, however, I would only argue that it should be a priority when designing the device, and only in that sense I'd say what I mentioned has more weight to it.  Before I had any understanding of this whatsoever even, from the time I was the most average of a consumer that you'd find, I had this in mind with PMP devices.  I wouldn't exactly say it is rare for users to be looking for a simultaneous signal from both outputs, especially those at the point considering something like the X5.  

 

If I bought it and this isn't in fact how it operated, that would come as quite a shock to me.  These are the kinds of things I would hope would actually have been the most consistent coming from a company such as FiiO, especially FiiO.  I believe in advancing your products from every perspective from all the points you've had it at before and not just shuffling things around, but I guess that's irrelevant when it actually comes to my main point...


Edited by Typhoon859 - 3/9/14 at 7:11am
post #5061 of 19481
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Originally Posted by Typhoon859 View Post

That's the worst thing that you can do actually.  That's terrible not just for comparison; it affects the sound so much that the only thing you'll be able to distinguish is how much worse the headphones sound with the splitter as opposed to directly.  There are several reasons for that.  

More appropriate would be to split the LO signal and use two identical amps.  Using the headphone out and pairing the line-out with a similar amp is the next best thing however.  Even better would be to do it using a balanced line output actually.  In any case, I was just giving an example.  Also, Brooku was making less of a point than stating his opinion.  I did the same, however, I would only argue that it should be a priority when designing the device, and only in that sense I'd say what I mentioned has more weight to it.  Before I had any understanding of this whatsoever even, from the time I was the most average of a consumer that you'd find, I had this in mind with PMP devices.  I wouldn't exactly say it is rare for users to be looking for a simultaneous signal from both outputs, especially those at the point considering something like the X5.  

If I bought it and this isn't in fact how it operated, that would come as quite a shock to me.  These are the kinds of things I would hope would actually have been the most consistent coming from a company such as FiiO, especially FiiO.  I believe in advancing your products from every perspective from all the points you've had it at before and not just shuffling things around, but I guess that's irrelevant when it actually comes to my main point...
I can agree with that(using the y splitter to two identical amps) than you are still using the same source out.

I'm listening to the X5 right now and I do like what I hear. For the most part you would be using this by yourself, and I'm sure when they built this they were not expecting multiple people using it at one time. I do agree that the implementation could have been different, but it has the dual card slot on the bottom so not much room there. I suppose they could have put the USB on the side, and the LO in between the SD card slots.

I'm not siding with Fiio just putting my two cents in. I still have a lot of love for my Ibasso DX50!
post #5062 of 19481

Do you guys think it would be best to preorder with B&H or will it be available on Amazon right away as well? It would probably end up being cheaper for me if I got it through Amazon, but if there is a good chance I won't be able to get it right away I will preorder! Thoughts?

post #5063 of 19481
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Originally Posted by Brooko View Post
 

OK - interesting

 

I wasn't actually commenting on the "if it is possible".  I was simply saying that there would never be a reason to use more than one of the ports at a time (IMO)

 

True, I think that was why Fiio set it as such :o

post #5064 of 19481
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Originally Posted by subver View Post
 

Do you guys think it would be best to preorder with B&H or will it be available on Amazon right away as well? It would probably end up being cheaper for me if I got it through Amazon, but if there is a good chance I won't be able to get it right away I will preorder! Thoughts?

 

Hmmm... Let me break it down for you:

Speed: B&H

Price: Amazon.

 

Pick one ;)

post #5065 of 19481
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Originally Posted by darkarn View Post

Hmmm... Let me break it down for you:


Speed: B&H
Price: Amazon.

Pick one wink.gif

Haha, I figured it would be as such! I think I will preorder on B&H, and then maybe just not ever look at amazon again, haha
post #5066 of 19481

1. Would a 45 MB/s (read) microSD be sufficient for 24bit and DSD files on the X5?

 

2. Would 70MB/s (read) microSD and above be significantly better or just overkill?

 

3. What is the difference - if any - between the brands (Transcend, Sandisk, Samsung) or is it just marketing?

 

Thanks!

post #5067 of 19481
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Originally Posted by subver View Post


Haha, I figured it would be as such! I think I will preorder on B&H, and then maybe just not ever look at amazon again, haha

 

No prob lol, have fun when it comes! :)

post #5068 of 19481
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Originally Posted by Jobbing View Post
 

1. Would a 45 MB/s (read) microSD be sufficient for 24bit and DSD files on the X5?

 

2. Would 70MB/s (read) microSD and above be significantly better or just overkill?

 

3. What is the difference - if any - between the brands (Transcend, Sandisk, Samsung) or is it just marketing?

 

Thanks!


I play music from my notebook (JRiver). Connect to WD portable HDD 2TB via USB 3.0. My notebook specification is

 

There is no problem when play 24/96 or 24/192 files. But sometime, if I open lots of programs and HDD work heavily, Jriver will pause few seconds for buffering when play SACD ISO files (352.8/64).

 

MicroCD card has less transfer rate than USB 3.0, so I think if you want to play DSD files, you may need high transfer rate SD card.

 

my 0.02

post #5069 of 19481
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Originally Posted by darkarn View Post

True, I think that was why Fiio set it as such redface.gif

Right, because god forbid there is a flaw/deficiency in the device you purchased (or are planning to), especially if it doesn't affect you by which means you then can speak for FiiO. I don't think a company deliberately limits a product - or at the very least, certainly not in this case. I'm guessing they couldn't do it for whatever reason if the claim is right about this being how it is. If it were actually as simple as a choice between one or the other, it wouldn't by any stretch of the imagination (which people are good at) be a good decision to make it work as only one or the other.
Edited by Typhoon859 - 3/9/14 at 10:42am
post #5070 of 19481
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Originally Posted by Typhoon859 View Post


Right, because god forbid there is a flaw/deficiency in the device you purchased (or are planning to), especially if it doesn't affect you by which means you then can speak for FiiO. I don't think a company deliberately limits a product - or at the very least, certainly not in this case. I'm guessing they couldn't do it for whatever reason if the claim is right about this being how it is. If it were actually as simple as a choice between one or the other, it wouldn't by any stretch of the imagination (which people are good at) be a good decision to make it work as only one or the other.

 

I don't know man, I am just guessing y'know? :o

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