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Originally Posted by Shenook View Post
 

Using a phone has some disadvantages:

 

Non-clean sound due to implementation of electronic design

Extra heat from other components

Interruption listening to music due to calls and notifications from data elements.

General storage limitations (some better than others)

Huge hit on battery life.

Updates to a phone may or may not interfere with SQ elements.  SQ can be affected by updates to DAPs but they are all focused on one thing.  Sound.

Unique factor - not mainstream

Price - performance - Longevity -  DAPs generally (at least in my experience) last longer than phones.  You get rid of phones and have different Daps for different reasons depending on uses.

A giant touchscreen can be annoying when you only want to listen to music.  (personal preference)

Generally easier to listen to as there are generally tactile buttons to use while DAP is in your pocket and such.

Well, for most of your examples, you seem to be directly comparing a phone (seemingly not the best one either) with the DAP.  The SQ won't be affected by the phone (or at least very minimally) in the case that I suggested as it would be digitally sent, then converted and amplified, by an external DAC/amp.  The benefit you do have however on a phone is practically any UI of your choice.  

 

Also, when streaming the music to an external device, it really doesn't take much battery life from the phone.  The limitation is once again on the DAC/amp you're pairing it with.  I don't see how you missed that part I mentioned.  Of course the phone on it's own doesn't even compare to a dedicated DAP when it comes to music listening and quality.  It's only recently that, imo, the gap has been closed with this potential implementation of DACs through USB.  

 

Finally, I just have to mention that music listening being interrupted by phone calls would happen regardless, just in the case you're describing, it's with the convenience of being one click away for answering and you don't have to remove your headphones.  Before smartphones (or even when they were first introduced and just weren't good enough), I dreamed of the possibility of not having to very frustratingly pull the earbuds out of my ears and hold them in one hand (or throw them over the shoulder) while I hold the phone in the other.  

 

Sorry but, none of those points I didn't consider and their implications are really minimal even in the cases where one of those benefits may apply considering what would fairly be weighed against that.  Not to be entirely dismissive of what you said, but the awesomeness of the X5 (I guess in a good way) has simply deluded some people.  For the average person, it simply isn't practical anymore, even for those interested in ultimate SQ, considering the alternative options available for that now.  Even for me who has all the reasons in the world to want to get something like this - I'm having a hard time finding reasons to invest in it.  It would just sit there being pretty for the reasons I've expressed, mostly that there's not much if any at all difference in SQ and it's less comfortable/convenient.  The only plus is that it doesn't have to be connected to your phone directly through USB but that doesn't bother me and the freedom from that isn't worth what you'd take away (better tactile buttons and a better UI of your choice) - also not having to switch your headphones out for your phone.  Also, there's an obvious price difference between this and alternatively great portable USB DAC/amps.


Edited by Typhoon859 - 3/4/14 at 3:48pm
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Originally Posted by flowerlandfilms View Post
 


Photoshop is the most ubiquitous and powerful tool for photo manipulation all over the world, but it takes years of usage to even learn how to use it's most basic features. Just because it is difficult does not make it bad.

 

 

I'm sorry, but that is total baloney. Years of usage to learn its basic features?? That is gross exaggeration. True, it is not a dumbed-down one-click editing tool, but neither is it as difficult to learn to use as this statement suggests.

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Originally Posted by Cannikin View Post
 

 

I'm sorry, but that is total baloney. Years of usage to learn its basic features?? That is gross exaggeration. True, it is not a dumbed-down one-click editing tool, but neither is it as difficult to learn to use as this statement suggests.

I'm guessing it was just an exaggeration to make a point.  I don't think there's a need to make that much of that statement although obviously I agree with you.

post #4939 of 19548
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Originally Posted by Cannikin View Post
 

 

I'm sorry, but that is total baloney. Years of usage to learn its basic features?? That is gross exaggeration. True, it is not a dumbed-down one-click editing tool, but neither is it as difficult to learn to use as this statement suggests.


You can use it immediately. But the learning curve from User to Expert is incredibly steep and takes a very long time to master. Most people use about 5% of the features Photoshop has to offer. To become proficient in all of it's aptitudes does in fact take years, and is not an exaggeration at all. The length and breadth of features Photoshop has on offer is gargantuan and mastered only by very few people.

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Originally Posted by flowerlandfilms View Post
 


You can use it immediately. But the learning curve from User to Expert is incredibly steep and takes a very long time to master. Most people use about 5% of the features Photoshop has to offer. To become proficient in all of it's aptitudes does in fact take years, and is not an exaggeration at all. The length and breadth of features Photoshop has on offer is gargantuan and mastered only by very few people.

You said even to learn it's most basic features.  That is what I think he took issue with.  Yes, to become a professional at it, it would indeed take that long.

post #4941 of 19548
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Originally Posted by flowerlandfilms View Post


Photoshop is the most ubiquitous and powerful tool for photo manipulation all over the world, but it takes years of usage to even learn how to use it's most basic features. Just because it is difficult does not make it bad. In fact Steve Jobs dumbing down of operating systems might be good for grandmas and babies, but it is bad for the larger computing world because it means you don't have to learn anything about the system, which means you can't fix it when it breaks down, and you have to take it to a bunch of "Geniuses" to get it fixed. It teaches you complacency and ignorance.
To add to the distraction from discussing the X5...

Boo! OS X has Unix underpinnings, and you can easily use CLI as desired. In fact, several developers I know prefer using Macs because they get a sleek GUI with a powerful Unix system under the hood.
post #4942 of 19548
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Originally Posted by autoexec View Post


I'm sure the X5 will sound better but I'm still concerned about the power difference you experienced. You sure you weren't on low gain?


I'm not 100% sure - totally possible, but I know that the E17 wasn't on high gain. I use either low or medium, even with full size cans.

post #4943 of 19548
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Originally Posted by Typhoon859 View Post
 

For the average person, it simply isn't practical anymore, even for those interested in ultimate SQ, considering the alternative options available for that now.  Even for me who has all the reasons in the world to want to get something like this - I'm having a hard time finding reasons to invest in it.  It would just sit there being pretty for the reasons I've expressed, mostly that there's not much if any at all difference in SQ and it's less comfortable/convenient.  The only plus is that it doesn't have to be connected to your phone directly through USB but that doesn't bother me and the freedom from that isn't worth what you'd take away (better tactile buttons and a better UI of your choice) - also not having to switch your headphones out for your phone.  Also, there's an obvious price difference between this and alternatively great portable USB DAC/amps.

 

And I'm glad there's a company like FiiO who makes products like this that is not for the average person and is still priced reasonably.

For you it's not bothersome but even ideal to use your phone as a DAP but for some like me, it is very important to have a separate player. Smartphones may have the ability to play digital music of many format but that doesn't immediately mean everyone should use it as their primary. Something that is just focused on the sound quality rather than a phone.

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Originally Posted by doublea71 View Post
 


I'm not 100% sure - totally possible, but I know that the E17 wasn't on high gain. I use either low or medium, even with full size cans.

 

Woah.. So even if you're not on high gain on X5 (which is most unlikely), you're sure that the E17 wasn't neither. Grr, something's not right here. Anyways, I'll be getting an X5 and I have E17 so I'll be able to compare in time. I just thought I'm glad that it has way more power than the E17. :|

post #4945 of 19548
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Originally Posted by autoexec View Post
 

 

And I'm glad there's a company like FiiO who makes products like this that is not for the average person and is still priced reasonably.

For you it's not bothersome but even ideal to use your phone as a DAP but for some like me, it is very important to have a separate player. Smartphones may have the ability to play digital music of many format but that doesn't immediately mean everyone should use it as their primary. Something that is just focused on the sound quality rather than a phone.

I am also glad.  Extremely glad!  I love FiiO for doing this.  I just think there are certain steps they could've taken (relatively simple ones) to get this to have more commercial appeal without sacrificing quality or integrity.  This is just one example that I mentioned.  I don't quite see your other point quite honestly but that's ok.  It's not so much a phone as it is an operating system with hardware components built in for use as a phone..  It's like making an argument against customizing your computer at home to be perfect for audio playback because it's not a dedicated device.  I see the value in having a dedicated media device but what you mentioned isn't it, especially when quality isn't really at all compromised.


Edited by Typhoon859 - 3/4/14 at 7:16pm
post #4946 of 19548
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Originally Posted by autoexec View Post
 

 

Woah.. So even if you're not on high gain on X5 (which is most unlikely), you're sure that the E17 wasn't neither. Grr, something's not right here. Anyways, I'll be getting an X5 and I have E17 so I'll be able to compare in time. I just thought I'm glad that it has way more power than the E17. :|


I can't really explain it, but the Mad Dogs are somewhat power hungry. That being said, the X5 sounds much better to me - it's really a nice pairing in spite of having to nearly max out the volume.

post #4947 of 19548

the final sample of the LO cable included in the HS6 (bundle kit for E12 and X5), noted that the kits does not includes E12 and X5.

 

this cable is HPC-23TN which is PCOCC-A with sliver plated . it is expensive than PCOCC-A and will have better detail.

 

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James, thanks for sharing this with us. Can you let us know when I can buy the bundle kit?

 

thanks

post #4949 of 19548
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Originally Posted by Typhoon859 View Post
 

It's not so much a phone as it is an operating system with hardware components built in for use as a phone..  It's like making an argument against customizing your computer at home to be perfect for audio playback because it's not a dedicated device.  I see the value in having a dedicated media device but what you mentioned isn't it, especially when quality isn't really at all compromised.

 

If there came a time where using phones as DAP doesn't sacrifice SQ, I'll only start considering them when they began improving the battery life by 'A LOT'.

post #4950 of 19548
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Originally Posted by CosmicHolyGhost View Post
 

James, thanks for sharing this with us. Can you let us know when I can buy the bundle kit?

 

thanks

 

next month

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