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post #436 of 19480
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Originally Posted by bowei006 View Post

Just pointing out that his last name isn't FiiO. biggrin.gif

 

It's more of an username to clarify who he is affiliated with.

 

FiiO romanicized from Chinese is Fei Ao(alphabetical system of Chinese words and pronunciation of them). A term in Chinese which when directly translated means 'prone to fly'. But in reality, was developed by the CEO, James, to be a rough translation of "I believe I can fly" which is a common English expression, song lyric etc etc.

Indeed, it was the high point of R Kelly's career, before he got into various kinds of trouble.....

 

 

post #437 of 19480
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Originally Posted by AmberOzL View Post

Don't forget the '''''magical''''' output impedances of both daps. Worldwide known 22 and 3 (or I should say 3.5 or maybe even 5 according to some measurements).

 

I agree with Achmed the Dead Terrorist, Fiio is honest and they bring quality to reasonable price they don't play marketing games and try to create hype. They ask real and acceptable prices for all of their products and always stay in touch with the community, providing honest answers.

 

Yes I also believe X5 will easily compete against highly priced high end portable audio sources. Especially it will be wonderful to see AK120 owners face. Pay 1300 euros and still have problems you don't even except to have in 50 euros dap.

 

FiiO and James know what they are doing. I like their way and honesty. They have my support anywhere anytime, they deserve it.


I simply think FiiO is a reasonable company. And all of a sudden there are precious few of them around.

post #438 of 19480
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Originally Posted by Hutnicks View Post

Why?

 

 

Because I feel being greater then the AK100, while costing at least $200 less is a win.  Beat the anticipated DX50 by Ibasso and be at worst the same price is also a win.  Set a more realistic goal is all I'm suggesting...

post #439 of 19480
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Originally Posted by ButtUglyJeff View Post

 

 

Because I feel being greater then the AK100, while costing at least $200 less is a win.  Beat the anticipated DX50 by Ibasso and be at worst the same price is also a win.  Set a more realistic goal is all I'm suggesting...

Fiio will change the rule of game in high end DAP when the X5 is released. biggrin.gif

post #440 of 19480
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Originally Posted by ButtUglyJeff View Post

 

 

Because I feel being greater then the AK100, while costing at least $200 less is a win.  Beat the anticipated DX50 by Ibasso and be at worst the same price is also a win.  Set a more realistic goal is all I'm suggesting...


Realistic is taking anything AK makes and knock 60 points out of it. This is the company that added 25 bucks worth of parts to the 100 and doubled the price.

 

 What I am saying here is do not cow down to vogue pricing, it's sets a precedent that brings out all the sharks. The first thing out of anyone's mouth these days with regard to any electronics should be, "Can you build it cheaper?" take it from there.

 

All anyone has to do is look at the military spiral to see how acceptance breeds exhorbitant pricing, and how a "must have it" attitude sweeps through an industry like cancer and changes attitudes so completely that any cost conscious person is looked at like a plague carrier.

post #441 of 19480
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Originally Posted by Hutnicks View Post


Realistic is taking anything AK makes and knock 60 points out of it. This is the company that added 25 bucks worth of parts to the 100 and doubled the price.

 

 What I am saying here is do not cow down to vogue pricing, it's sets a precedent that brings out all the sharks. The first thing out of anyone's mouth these days with regard to any electronics should be, "Can you build it cheaper?" take it from there.

 

All anyone has to do is look at the military spiral to see how acceptance breeds exhorbitant pricing, and how a "must have it" attitude sweeps through an industry like cancer and changes attitudes so completely that any cost conscious person is looked at like a plague carrier.

 

 

You are preaching to the choir.  We tend to balloon expectations, here at Head-Fi.  I'm just suggesting a touch of moderation of said expectations.  A $400 AK100 killer is a huge win in my book, and I'll open my wallet happily....

 

 

BTW, A&K just announced US pricing for the AK120 at $1299 and are taking pre-orders.  I doubt the people gobbling it up aren't even curious about an X5....

post #442 of 19480
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Originally Posted by ButtUglyJeff View Post

 

 

You are preaching to the choir.  We tend to balloon expectations, here at Head-Fi.  I'm just suggesting a touch of moderation of said expectations.  A $400 AK100 killer is a huge win in my book, and I'll open my wallet happily....

 

 

BTW, A&K just announced US pricing for the AK120 at $1299 and are taking pre-orders.  I doubt the people gobbling it up aren't even curious about an X5....


The status just is not there. Perhaps a titanium case or better yet memory metal, might entice them. On the other hand, the sooner they spend themselves into the next financial meltdown, the quicker the market will adjust with lower pricing.

post #443 of 19480
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Originally Posted by Hutnicks View Post


Realistic is taking anything AK makes and knock 60 points out of it. This is the company that added 25 bucks worth of parts to the 100 and doubled the price.

 

 What I am saying here is do not cow down to vogue pricing, it's sets a precedent that brings out all the sharks. The first thing out of anyone's mouth these days with regard to any electronics should be, "Can you build it cheaper?" take it from there.

 

All anyone has to do is look at the military spiral to see how acceptance breeds exhorbitant pricing, and how a "must have it" attitude sweeps through an industry like cancer and changes attitudes so completely that any cost conscious person is looked at like a plague carrier.

 

Well said.

 

Like you, I've publicly called iRiver out on their shameful marketing/pricing policy for their AK line. It's cynical, and I refuse to quietly be complicit with it. All they did was create an arbitrary 'posh-sounding' line name, and then charge a disproportionately-high hill of beans for anything with that namebadge on it, which is actually a missed opportunity given that the engineering team have produced a mostly-decent and respectable line of DAPs. If you treat the DAP-buying public with disrespect and contempt, by trying to screw them for massively more than a product is worth, then it will come back and bite you... it's only a matter of time. Frankly, I find it incredible that iRiver can be so unbelievably short-sighted in this regard.

 

...and then we have James (Fiio). Now, I'm not suggesting the sun shines out of his rear, or that he is some kind of angel, but he does seem to be conducting his business activities sincerely and without trying to screw his customers. We shall soon see how many thousands more units Fiio will ship, than iRiver manages to ship from it's 'AK' line of DAPs. Those greedy AK profit margins will pale into insignificance by comparison with the thousands of small-margin, honest sales of Fiio X3/X5 DAPs. James' approach to business will be rewarded many times over, and deservedly-so.


Edited by Mython - 6/8/13 at 4:58am
post #444 of 19480
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Originally Posted by Mython View Post

 

Well said.

 

Like you, I've publicly called iRiver out on their shameful marketing/pricing policy for their AK line. It's cynical, and I refuse to quietly be complicit with it. All they did was create an arbitrary 'posh-sounding' line name, and then charge a disproportionately-high hill of beans for anything with that namebadge on it, which is actually a missed opportunity given that the engineering team have produced a mostly-decent and respectable line of DAPs. If you treat the DAP-buying public with disrespect and contempt, by trying to screw them for massively more than a product is worth, then it will come back and bite you... it's only a matter of time. Frankly, I find it incredible that iRiver can be so unbelievably short-sighted in this regard.

 

...and then we have James (Fiio). Now, I'm not suggesting the sun shines out of his rear, or that he is some kind of angel, but he does seem to be conducting his business activities sincerely and without trying to screw his customers. We shall soon see how many thousands more units Fiio will ship, than iRiver manages to ship from it's 'AK' line of DAPs. Those greedy AK profit margins will pale into insignificance by comparison with the thousands of small-margin, honest sales of Fiio X3/X5 DAPs. James' approach to business will be rewarded many times over, and deservedly-so.

+1

 

iRiver is a clever thief!

Most probably the material & resource cost to make AK120 is similar to X3. evil_smiley.gif


Edited by cyberalpha11 - 6/8/13 at 5:19am
post #445 of 19480
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Originally Posted by Mython View Post

 

Well said.

 

Like you, I've publicly called iRiver out on their shameful marketing/pricing policy for their AK line. It's cynical, and I refuse to quietly be complicit with it. All they did was create an arbitrary 'posh-sounding' line name, and then charge a disproportionately-high hill of beans for anything with that namebadge on it, which is actually a missed opportunity given that the engineering team have produced a mostly-decent and respectable line of DAPs. If you treat the DAP-buying public with disrespect and contempt, by trying to screw them for massively more than a product is worth, then it will come back and bite you... it's only a matter of time. Frankly, I find it incredible that iRiver can be so unbelievably short-sighted in this regard.

 

...and then we have James (Fiio). Now, I'm not suggesting the sun shines out of his rear, or that he is some kind of angel, but he does seem to be conducting his business activities sincerely and without trying to screw his customers. We shall soon see how many thousands more units Fiio will ship, than iRiver manages to ship from it's 'AK' line of DAPs. Those greedy AK profit margins will pale into insignificance by comparison with the thousands of small-margin, honest sales of Fiio X3/X5 DAPs. James' approach to business will be rewarded many times over, and deservedly-so.

+2

The AK100 is not much better (if better at all) than the X3. I think that iRiver made the impedance of the AK100 around 22 to ensure AK120 sales. They are the most greedy company. 

My HDP-R10 costs $900 and the parts probably cost 3x the parts in the AK120. 

BTW, how does the PCM1792 compare to the WM8740 or 2 WM8740s (AK120)?


Edited by lin0003 - 6/8/13 at 5:15am
post #446 of 19480
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Originally Posted by Mython View Post


If you treat the DAP-buying public with disrespect and contempt, by trying to screw them for massively more than a product is worth, then it will come back and bite you... 

 

welcome to the world of hi-fi 'proper'... the UK will lap the AK120 up because it allows full-integration into a system... they're the first into the hi-fi Journals so will be seen as the benchmark on price etc.... anything below this price will be treated with suspicion in the UK hi-fi scene which the marketing appears to be aimed at, instead of thinking of it as a DAP think the reverse, a part of your hi-fi that you can take on your travels, for the UK audiophile who has no knowledge of the portable community this will be seen as a major plus to a crappy iPod dock that hi-fi manufacturers have royally screwed its Customers over.... made for iRiver is the new 'black'.


Edited by OK-Guy - 6/8/13 at 5:22am
post #447 of 19480
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Originally Posted by Mython View Post

 

Well said.

 

Like you, I've publicly called iRiver out on their shameful marketing/pricing policy for their AK line. It's cynical, and I refuse to quietly be complicit with it. All they did was create an arbitrary 'posh-sounding' line name, and then charge a disproportionately-high hill of beans for anything with that namebadge on it, which is actually a missed opportunity given that the engineering team have produced a mostly-decent and respectable line of DAPs. If you treat the DAP-buying public with disrespect and contempt, by trying to screw them for massively more than a product is worth, then it will come back and bite you... it's only a matter of time. Frankly, I find it incredible that iRiver can be so unbelievably short-sighted in this regard.

 

...and then we have James (Fiio). Now, I'm not suggesting the sun shines out of his rear, or that he is some kind of angel, but he does seem to be conducting his business activities sincerely and without trying to screw his customers. We shall soon see how many thousands more units Fiio will ship, than iRiver manages to ship from it's 'AK' line of DAPs. Those greedy AK profit margins will pale into insignificance by comparison with the thousands of small-margin, honest sales of Fiio X3/X5 DAPs. James' approach to business will be rewarded many times over, and deservedly-so.

+3. THIS!

post #448 of 19480
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Originally Posted by OK-Guy View Post

 

welcome to the world of hi-fi 'proper'... the UK will lap the AK120 up because it allows full-integration into a system... they're the first into the hi-fi Journals so will be seen as the benchmark on price etc.... anything below this price will be treated with suspicion in the UK hi-fi scene which the marketing appears to be aimed at, instead of thinking of it as a DAP think the reverse, a part of your hi-fi that you can take on your travels, for the UK audiophile who has no knowledge of the portable community this will be seen as a major plus to a crappy iPod dock that hi-fi manufacturers have royally screwed its Customers over.... made for iRiver is the new 'black'.

 

 

"the UK audiophile who has no knowledge of the portable community"

 

 

Oh, purleeeze!!!

 

I totally disagree with your outrageously-simplistic (and skewed) interpretation of the UK hi-fi market. How can I say this?

 

1) Because I live in the UK and have been into fullsize hi-fi for 2 decades.

 

2) UK audiophiles are no longer insular - the internet has long since made planet earth a global marketplace

 

3) Any genuine audiophile who is sick of the tired old crap Apple churn out (in terms of SQ, I mean), will have the moxy to seek out better alternatives, via the internet. The likes of HiFi World (whose appallingly biased recent AK review is overtly just that) no longer hold the British audiophile community in thralldom; their days are numbered. People around the world now primarily use the internet for their primary source of information, whenever researching new potential product purchases.

 

 

Nowt personal, just disagreeing with what you said, is all!  beerchug.gif

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1) I'm born & bred in the UK (a proppa Cockney me, whoopee do's) and have a decade more experience than you in reality, whether that makes me more knowledgeable is anyone's guess but I'm not that conceited to believe I'm a true genuine audiophile (went completely over to CD's in the late 80's so that took me off the playing field)... anyhow I had to send links to the Chief Designer of Chord Co. the other week regarding DAP's, his interest was only sparked by the puke-inducing review in Hi-Fi World, which says a lot about how the Hi-Fi market views portable-fi.

 

2) isn't that why we are on here... because we have sought out alternatives to the norm?... the majority of my mates who have home systems have never heard of Head-Fi, you get a gormless look.


Edited by OK-Guy - 6/8/13 at 7:45am
post #450 of 19480

Allright Laddies, two mentions of this review and no link?

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