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I'd be more worried if there wasn't some perceived break in. 

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Originally Posted by goodvibes View Post
 

I'd be more worried if there wasn't some perceived break in. 

Some say they don't believe in it, never heard it but I do and have for years and that is also comparing to a known item (preamp, amp, dap, etc) to make sure it isn't my mood, ears, brain, mind. etc. 

 

So normally for caps to form, resistors to change a little through thermal changes and so on, I expect a number of days yet until I hear the final sound. A little over a week of constant playing. It's all good. Hey, it's music! 

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Originally Posted by jamato8 View Post
 

Some say they don't believe in it, never heard it but I do and have for years and that is also comparing to a known item (preamp, amp, dap, etc) to make sure it isn't my mood, ears, brain, mind. etc. 

 

So normally for caps to form, resistors to change a little through thermal changes and so on, I expect a number of days yet until I hear the final sound. A little over a week of constant playing. It's all good. Hey, it's music! 

 

I don't have a strong opinion either way, but I refuse to dismiss it as not credible.

 

Even CIEMs contain crossover components which may account for claimed differences after many hours usage.

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Originally Posted by jamato8 View Post
 

Some say they don't believe in it, never heard it but I do and have for years and that is also comparing to a known item (preamp, amp, dap, etc) to make sure it isn't my mood, ears, brain, mind. etc. 

 

So normally for caps to form, resistors to change a little through thermal changes and so on, I expect a number of days yet until I hear the final sound. A little over a week of constant playing. It's all good. Hey, it's music! 

 

This is my experience as well.

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Originally Posted by Mimouille View Post


Thanks a lot...well the X5 is not mine smily_headphones1.gif


You are welcome but I was not referring to the X5 I know you don't own it. ;) 

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Originally Posted by jamato8 View Post
 


I don't think they are in the same league at all. The X5 takes it up a few notches and gives you some real quality sound. Not saying the X3 is bad but the X5 is in the pro league. :^)

 

Couldn't agree more, X3 is really good, but the X5 is simply far superior, I miss the warm sound and the micro detail of the X5 (using my X3 right now).

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"micro detail", the new audiophile terminology for new generation of hi-end daps.

 

Pretty soon, we will be able to hear micro treble, micro bass, micro sound stage, micro separation, etc. Once they are scaled up, they become regular details/treble/bass , etc.

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Originally Posted by DMinor View Post
 

"micro detail", the new audiophile terminology for new generation of hi-end daps.

 

Pretty soon, we will be able to hear micro treble, micro bass, micro sound stage, micro separation, etc. Once they are scaled up, they become regular details/treble/bass , etc.

 

Your sarcasm overlooks the fact that some circuits do reproduce finer detail and transients than others. Current delivery can play a part in this, of course, as it improves the ability to drive a transducer rapidly to the full extent of the required excursion.

 

 

All I'm trying to point out is that, yes, there are many 'pseudo-terms' used in the description of music (UK Head-fiers may recall the character 'Pretentious Music Journalist', from Steve Wright in the Afternoon, on BBC Radio 1, as a well-known parody of this) and of components used to reproduce it, and cynicism towards this tendency has its place, but that doesn't necessarily mean that such terms are illegitimate.

 

I think you're too cynical! I have every intention of enjoying all the 'micro-detail' the X5 (and Calyx-M) can offer me! :tongue:

 

 

 



Edited by Mython - 2/4/14 at 4:15pm
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Originally Posted by Mython View Post
 

 

Your sarcasm overlooks the fact that some circuits do reproduce finer detail and transients than others. Current delivery can play a part in this, of course, as it improves the ability to drive a transducer rapidly to the full extent of the required excursion.

 

 

All I'm trying to point out is that, yes, there are many 'pseudo-terms' used in the description of music (UK Head-fiers may recall the character 'Pretentious Music Journalist', from Steve Wright in the Afternoon, on BBC Radio 1) and of components used to reproduce it, and cynicism towards this tendency has its place, but that doesn't necessarily mean that such terms are illegitimate.

 

 

 


 

More revealing :biggrin: & resolving.


Edited by DMinor - 2/4/14 at 4:17pm
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Originally Posted by jamato8 View Post
 

What has anyone's experience with burn in on the X5? 

 

Mine has been running for about 18 hours now. I hear changes, up and down in sound quality. 

 

Originally Posted by jamato8 View Post
 

Some say they don't believe in it, never heard it but I do and have for years and that is also comparing to a known item (preamp, amp, dap, etc) to make sure it isn't my mood, ears, brain, mind. etc. 

 

So normally for caps to form, resistors to change a little through thermal changes and so on, I expect a number of days yet until I hear the final sound. A little over a week of constant playing. It's all good. Hey, it's music! 

 

Maybe it's the polar vortex you guys are experiencing :D.

 

Although the X5 I have has gone through about 120 hrs or burn-in, unfortunately I didn't listen to it throughout the burn-in period. So far it has been consistently been improving (although tapering off now) but hasn't been changing up and down in SQ.

 

I'll probably use this opportunity to write up a quick little report on some tests I did yesterday - I went back to basics and compared the X5 with the ZX1. In this 2nd round the X5 had an extra 85 hrs under it's belt from the original 35 hrs I did a few posts back. Personally I'm finding the X5's treble have extended a little further and smoother. So previously where I found the X5 to lean more towards the HM-901's warmth whilst ZX1 more on the brighter side, now I find the X5 seems to sit more equally & squarely in between the two DAPs. i.e. where I'd say the X5 was more on the warm side of neutral, now I'd call it as pretty neutral.

 

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Originally Posted by DMinor View Post
 

"micro detail", the new audiophile terminology for new generation of hi-end daps.

 

Pretty soon, we will be able to hear micro treble, micro bass, micro sound stage, micro separation, etc. Once they are scaled up, they become regular details/treble/bass , etc.

 

Depends on what you mean by "new", there's at least one reference to it back in 2002 and probably been around much longer.

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Originally Posted by AnakChan View Post

 

Depends on what you mean by "new", there's at least one reference to it back in 2002 and probably been around much longer.

Used in the 90's a lot. They quit using the term, itsy bitsy at that time. Those were the days. . . :^)

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Originally Posted by AnakChan View Post
 

 

Depends on what you mean by "new", there's at least one reference to it back in 2002 and probably been around much longer.

 

Did you google search that reference?

 

Don't remember reading that term at HF until recently. I am trying to figure out whether that's the same meaning as more revealing and/or more resolving the terms used by some audiophiles. If you mean more transparent sounding, then we are on the same page. :)

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Originally Posted by DMinor View Post
 

 

Did you google search that reference?

 

Don't remember reading that term at HF until recently. I am trying to figure out whether that's the same meaning as more revealing and/or more resolving the terms used by some audiophiles. If you mean more transparent sounding, then we are on the same page. :)

 

 

If the X5 sounds 'great', would that be acceptable to you?

 

It would be acceptable to me, and we could leave anything 'micro' for private solo listening sessions, behind closed doors :biggrin:

 

 

 

Just count yourself lucky that the X5 isn't being described as "morning after a rainstorm" :tongue_smile:

 

 

 



Edited by Mython - 2/5/14 at 5:31am
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Originally Posted by jamato8 View Post
 

Used in the 90's a lot. They quit using the term, itsy bitsy at that time. Those were the days. . . :^)


You can probably go back well into the 80's and possibly before and find it in reviews.

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Originally Posted by Mython View Post
 

 

 

If the X5 sounds 'great', would that be acceptable to you?

 

It would be acceptable to me, and we could leave anything 'micro' for private solo listening sessions, behind closed doors :biggrin:

 

Make no mistakes I like micro details, anything micro will be a bonus - except that micro card.  :wink_face:

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