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post #4096 of 19523

That is great, James. Thank you for considering it!

 

I continue to be amazed by the X5. The price, sound quality and raw power makes for a shocking combination. Quite remarkable. :-)

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Cooper what gain setting do you use it on? I found it worked perfectly on low gain. On the Sui I'd be around volume 60+ (about half volume if not a bit more). Probably more like 64 going from memory. I think due to this product the DAP market will be that much more competitive (at least I hope so ;)...

post #4098 of 19523

Hi Lee, absolutely low gain. 60 with the Kaede is about right. In head banger mode with certain albums, I can go as high as 70. Recently I have been impressed with the bass that the X5's power produces with the Heaven VI at low volume, listening as low as 45. Right now at 48 with Cindy Lauper's 12 Deadly Sins; I love my dinosaur pop. :-)

 

Edit: That should be 12 Deadly Cyns. Honor the pun!


Edited by cooperpwc - 2/3/14 at 2:48am
post #4099 of 19523
I always use high gain since i mostly use it outdoor...
post #4100 of 19523

It depends on the headphone. It seems that with the Heaven VI, I am actually listening as low as 40 on low gain. Good SQ!

post #4101 of 19523
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Originally Posted by eke2k6 View Post
 

 

Your ears are actually some of the most sensitive devices around. The brain is also one of the most complex and capable computers around. If your gear is capable enough, differences should be fairly obvious.

 

The thing for me is that files that are produced in 24/96 and up are simply better mastered. I used to think these high res files were inherently better until I started running out of space on my card and decided to do some converting. I have several HDTracks albums that I converted to MP3 320 via dbpoweramp, fully expecting there to be downgrades in SQ. Album after album A/B'ed, and I haven't been able to pick out a difference in tracks. I then opened one of these hi res tracks with a hex editor and found them padded with zeros. Hundreds of megabytes of extra zeros.

 

I actually believe source files are the most important in a chain. Crap in, crap out. Unfortunately the "crap" comes from shoddy mastering. These higher res files allow for mastering advantages, but there is no advantage for the end user. For those who practice photography, it's a bit like shooting in RAW format. You have more headroom to adjust highlights, shadows, exposure, etc. But when you convert to JPG from that finished RAW file, you'll be hard pressed to find a difference on the best monitors...I know I can't with my screen that displays 95% of the color gamut (a pretty big deal).

 

I'm always baffled when people say 64gb of space isn't enough for them. Just try converting an album via a good converter like dbpoweramp. You'll be surprised at how much space you can save. And it's not a matter of me just not being able to pick out differences if I can pick out the minutest differences between iems and amps.

I don't use commercial recordings for this so they are all mastered identically. I agree that a lot of HiDef is lacking. It's not just the mastering but old analog dubs are taken from tape dubs, not played on original type heads and A2Ds vary more than you may expect. I still hear differences ( it was pretty easy to discern  the effects of different appropriate dither's applied to a 24/192 file on the AK120 I had) but think 24/48 is a great compromise for space vs size. Agree about DBpoweramp. Nice cheap program.


Edited by goodvibes - 2/3/14 at 6:50am
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Originally Posted by Mython View Post
 

 

 

Interesting.  Fiio admitted (somewhere in this thread, or the other X5 thread) that they had altered the tuning, prior to releasing the X5, following feedback from Chinese dealers etc.  (i.e. you heard the re-tuned 'final' version)

 

 

If I recalled correctly, only the first few demo units for the Chinese retailer were the 'original' tuning. All retail and reviewer units are the 'final' tuning.

post #4103 of 19523
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Originally Posted by cooperpwc View Post
 

Speaking of the UI...

 

James and Joe, I have a suggestion....

Paul's excellent idea... (Click to show)

I Browse by Folder and I am pleased with the experience. It is close to flawless. There is one thing missing which is common on other DAPs and which would really improve things.

 

When I am listening to music, I like to browse to what I will listen to next. Then I want to return to the Now Playing screen without losing my browser position. This is not possible on the X5. I have to go up to the Main Menu and then enter Now Playing. When I do this, my browser position is lost. Later I have to navigate all over again to the new music that I want to hear.

 

The solution is simple. Currently in Browser Mode, the Shortcut key brings up a choice of SD cards (and soon OTG also). As shown in the Instruction Manual, it looks like this:

 

 

All that is needed is to add a further option to go directly to the Now Playing screen from the Browser. It would look like this.

 

 

later, when I select the Browser Option from the Main Menu, I return to where I was in my browsing. Meanwhile I still have that wonderful feature of using the scroll wheel to move around the currently playing album in the Now Playing screen no matter where I am in my browsing.

 

A simple but useful improvement for your consideration.

 

Cheers!

 :beerchug: 

 

 

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Originally Posted by JamesFiiO View Post

the lefe-up bottom works as shortcut key so your advice is reasonable and we will see whether we should include in the future firmware upgrading.

 

I, too, would really like to see this enhancement in the X5, James.  Thank you!

 

 

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Originally Posted by CosmicHolyGhost View Post

I always use high gain since i mostly use it outdoor...

 

I always use the lowest gain (in any amp) that allows sufficient volume with whatever headphones I'm using - even if I have to turn "the volume" nearly all the way up.   This gives you the lowest possible noise floor and more finesse in making adjustments to the volume.  

 

Mike

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Sorry I've not been catching up with this thread as I've been busy but at the moment I'm doing a little more experimentation of the X5 against the ZX1 & HM-901. My previous comparisons against the ZX1 can be found here and against the HM-901 can be found here.

 

Today was using the X5 as a DAC-only feeding into the Analog Squared Paper TUR-06 hybrid tube amp. The earphones I'm using is the Tralucent 1Plus2 with Uber cable. There are some slight differences in that the X5 is connected to the TUR-06 via a Tralucent Mini-2-Mini Uber cable whilst the ZX1 WM-port LOD is a DIY I did myself. I also did try the HM-901 with its own proprietary cable feeding into the TUR-06. So there's quite a bit of cable IC and plug variations.

 

Firstly out with the quick kill...the HM-901 with its dual ES9018 DACs. Whether it's the dual DACs or if it's the ES9018, it did produce an overall bigger sound than the X5's PCM1792. I'm going to admit that it's no surprise as I do hope that the $1300 investment in the HM-901 has to pay off somehow or it'll get thrown into the bin if a $350 player could outperform it. But the surprise is as already previously mentioned here how high the bar Fiio as set. I actually felt the X5 put up a very good fight. The comparison to the NW-ZX1 will explain a little more.

 

Next is the NW-ZX1 with my custom LOD feeding into the TUR-06 which I was quite happy before. But in comparison to the X5's, the ZX1 's DAC lost its shine. Together with the TUR-06, the overall signature didn't sound as lively or didn't grab me as much as the X5 DAC feeding into the same amp. But as DAPs-only, I have a slight preference to the ZX1 over the X5. Which to me, the component that makes the ZX1's overall signature shine is the amp. The X5 on the other hand seems to have the strength in the DAC over the X5. Therefore if the X5 were to be used as as source-transport feeding into an amp it "synergises" with, that could be quite a killer setup.

 

So if you X5 demoers haven't tried using it as a source/transport, give it a shot and try it with your favourite amp and share the results here.

 

P.S. Quick note, I did try the X5 as a DAP against my iPhone 4S/Venturecraft DD LE OPA627SM/Apex Glacier (amp mode) and the X5 seemed to have an overall wider stage whilst the iPhone 4s component rig sounded somewhat smaller and warmer.

 

Scrap this: See http://www.head-fi.org/t/661411/fiio-x5-thread-info-updated-on-jan-17th-2014/4215#post_10237592 instead.

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with these posts of utilizing the X5 as a good DAC/DAP transport I noticed on the Fiio X5 website that they are showing the X5 mated with an E12 .....  as we know the E12 is a good amp and has some options like crosstalk and a very power full power output...   could this become the next X7... where the X5 and the power and options of the E12 get combined...

 

I think that would be a great combination...   :-)

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Originally Posted by AnakChan View Post
 

Next is the NW-ZX1 with my custom LOD feeding into the TUR-06 which I was quite happy before. But in comparison to the X5's, the ZX1 's DAC lost its shine. Together with the TUR-06, the overall signature didn't sound as lively or didn't grab me as much as the X5 DAC feeding into the same amp. But as DAPs-only, I have a slight preference to the ZX1 over the X5. Which to me, the component that makes the ZX1's overall signature shine is the amp. The X5 on the other hand seems to have the strength in the DAC over the X5. Therefore if the X5 were to be used as as source-transport feeding into an amp it "synergises" with, that could be quite a killer setup.

 

Are you sure that you don't have this backwards? I have not heard the ZX1 yet but on published specs the X5 is about 15 times as powerful feeding a 16 ohm load. Listening to the Heaven VI (which ramps right up with power), I regard the power of the X5's internal amp to be one of its greatest strengths allowing me to forgo an external amp.

 

I'm just surprised by your conclusion.

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Originally Posted by cooperpwc View Post
 

 

Are you sure that you don't have this backwards? I have not heard the ZX1 yet but on published specs the X5 is about 15 times as powerful feeding a 16 ohm load. Listening to the Heaven VI (which ramps right up with power), I regard the power of the X5's internal amp to be one of its greatest strengths allowing me to forgo an external amp.

 

I'm just surprised by your conclusion.

 

I wasn't talking about power. Let me try put it in a different way.

 

ZX1 - wider stage, highs more extended

X5 - smaller stage, warmer than the ZX1

ZX1 + TUR-06 - sounds small, not so extended, sounds flat in comparison to the X5

X5 + TUR-06 - gives it a bump in impact, staging & sparkle

 

If you're talking about power capability, yes the X5 outputs more than the ZX1.

post #4108 of 19523

Okay, I understand what you are saying. Thanks.

 

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Originally Posted by AnakChan View Post

 

ZX1 - wider stage, highs more extended

X5 - smaller stage, warmer than the ZX1

 

This part does not surprise me. As I commented in a few contexts earlier, the X5 is not the lightest and airiest DAP. Rather it has a bolder and thicker sound with a fair bit of authority and presence. It is nonetheless a serious detail monster (as note by a few different people on here).

post #4109 of 19523
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Originally Posted by cooperpwc View Post
 

 

This part does not surprise me. As I commented in a few contexts earlier, the X5 is not the lightest and airiest DAP. Rather it has a bolder and thicker sound with a fair bit of authority and presence. It is nonetheless a serious detail monster (as note by a few different people on here).

 

But the following surprised you?
 

Quote:

ZX1 + TUR-06 - sounds small, not so extended, sounds flat in comparison to the X5

X5 + TUR-06 - gives it a bump in impact, staging & sparkle

post #4110 of 19523
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Originally Posted by AnakChan View Post
 

 

But the following surprised you?
 

ZX1 + TUR-06 - sounds small, not so extended, sounds flat in comparison to the X5

X5 + TUR-06 - gives it a bump in impact, staging & sparkle

 

Maybe I'm a little bit surprised that the ZX1 is less "sparkly". I heard that it was a bit bright. The X5 is not especially bright.

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