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post #3361 of 19523
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Originally Posted by ClieOS View Post
 

 

I did measure the line-out before, it is as flat as the headphone-out (given the same signal feeds into the amp section). Again, I don't hear any mid bass hump even on my desktop speaker. The line-out doesn't have a particularly good soundstage and separation, causing the overall imaging to be focusing more on the centre. Could that be why you think it has a mid bass hump?

 

I seriously doubt that.  Like I said, what I'm hearing is not subtle.  Do you know if there's a capacitor or something in the X3's line out signal path that could be faulty in some of our X3's and may be causing this result? 

post #3362 of 19523
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Originally Posted by Mython View Post
 


What, you mean you weren't already sold on the X5 before you found out about the NTFS compatibility?

 

Dayum! The X5 offers so much functionality for the price, and with decent SQ!      Some people want all that and a bag of chips! :tongue:

Let's just say I was trying hard to keep an open mind and not make a decision before I even get a chance to try it out. :wink_face:

 

Cheers!:beerchug:

-HK sends

post #3363 of 19523
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Originally Posted by Currawong View Post
 

 

It could be your home amp. Knowing the model and input impedance of the line in would help here, as well as the actual voltage of the line out of the X3. There's probably a simple explanation for what you're experiencing.

 

I've tried several pres from a Placette Active to a vintage Threshold to the AUX input in my Lexus.  The result is always the same.  However, some kind of impedence mismatch is still a definite possibility that has been in the back of mind.  I just don't know how to confirm it. 

post #3364 of 19523
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Originally Posted by jj69 View Post
 

 

I seriously doubt that.  Like I said, what I'm hearing is not subtle.  Do you know if there's a capacitor or something in the X3's line out signal path that could be faulty in some of our X3's and may be causing this result? 


No, X3 doesn't have any capacitor in the signal path.

post #3365 of 19523
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Originally Posted by jj69 View Post

I've tried several pres from a Placette Active to a vintage Threshold to the AUX input in my Lexus.  The result is always the same.  However, some kind of impedence mismatch is still a definite possibility that has been in the back of mind.  I just don't know how to confirm it. 

You could just run a sine sweep into a line in on your computer and look at the output waveform. If there's a midbass hump you'd see a hump while the X3 was sweeping through the midbass...
post #3366 of 19523
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Originally Posted by Mython View Post
 


What, you mean you weren't already sold on the X5 before you found out about the NTFS compatibility?

 

Dayum! The X5 offers so much functionality for the price, and with decent SQ!      Some people want all that and a bag of chips! :tongue:


I want dip with my chips.   And beer!  :wink_face:

post #3367 of 19523
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Originally Posted by jj69 View Post
 

 

I've tried several pres from a Placette Active to a vintage Threshold to the AUX input in my Lexus.  The result is always the same.  However, some kind of impedence mismatch is still a definite possibility that has been in the back of mind.  I just don't know how to confirm it. 


I've seen you complaining about this "issue" in each and every discussion of FiiO products.

 

Have you tried a different cable?  What codec?  Any particular track(s), or all you've listened to?  Bad rip?  Just trying to eliminate any possible culprits...

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I am most interested in reading reports of how well the line-out is implemented.  I am likely not getting a new DAP until the expected X7 is released, but it's nice to see great performance throughout a product line before the product I am targeting is even available.  I'm such an audio nerd; I can't seem to get away from using portable amps.  I guess that's why I agree w/ Vinnie & keep hoping that someday a DAP-maker will give us a source-only product so we can have a small, thin DAP & connect to whatever amplification we choose, no longer worrying about quality of an internal DAP amp (other than what would be needed for line-out functionality, of course).  Such a device could focus on transport/source performance.  I'm not expecting such a device, but I keep hoping

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I see Amazon in China has this for sale for 2098¥ which I believe is about 350.00 us dollars. Can't wait to give this a listen.
post #3370 of 19523
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Originally Posted by Hard Head View Post

I've seen you complaining about this "issue" in each and every discussion of FiiO products.

 

Have you tried a different cable?  What codec?  Any particular track(s), or all you've listened to?  Bad rip?  Just trying to eliminate any possible culprits...

 

With all due respect, it is not a "complaint" about an "issue" that needs to be referenced in quotation marks, but a report of an actual issue that I, and several other X3 owners are experiencing.  I have not reported the issue in every discussion of FiiO products, but in the relevant threads regarding the X3 itself, and in the X5 thread in the context that I would like to know if the X5 has the same issue before I spend my money on it. If you're disinterested in this topic, please feel free to exercise your discretion to block my posts. 

 

And yes, I have tried different cables and different gear.  The codec is FLAC or WAV and I have the same result with all material played through the X3's line out.  The iBasso DX50, Sansa Fuse V2, iPod Gen 5.5 (all through line out) and the Sansa Clip through headphone out do not exhibit the same symptoms with the same associated gear when playing back the same material. 

 

If you look early in the X3 thread, you will see many people referencing the same issue.  Many of them purchased the DX50, found that they had the same issues through the line out, and subsequently sold their X3.  So I don't think it's just my particular X3.  Like those members, I was an early adopter, as my X3 is one of the very first official US models.  I suppose it's possible that only that fist US batch exhibits this issue. 


Edited by jj69 - 1/18/14 at 2:01pm
post #3371 of 19523
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Originally Posted by feverfive View Post
 

I am most interested in reading reports of how well the line-out is implemented. 

 

So am I, hence my posts on the subject.  Frankly, I'm disappointed with how quick other Head-Fi members are to dismiss reports of issues like this. 

post #3372 of 19523
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Originally Posted by jj69 View Post
 

 

Like those members, I was an early adopter, as my X3 is one of the very first official US models.  I suppose it's possible that only that fist US batch exhibits this issue. 

I guess that's the most likely scenario as my X3 doesn't exhibit this behavior at all. Probably more useful to contact your Fiio dealer or Fiio directly about your issue?

post #3373 of 19523
Just wanted to report that my X3 has no noticeable mid-bass hump--that's headphone out or line out. Please refrain from trying to convince me otherwise. Continuing the discussion on here is really getting in the way of all of our drooling over the X5.
post #3374 of 19523
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Originally Posted by cmull View Post

Just wanted to report that my X3 has no noticeable mid-bass hump--that's headphone out or line out. Please refrain from trying to convince me otherwise. Continuing the discussion on here is really getting in the way of all of our drooling over the X5.

Mine too and that's sometimes that fun that I'm looking for, sometimes not. I definitely like the sound signature of the X3, but that OS is so bad...
post #3375 of 19523
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Originally Posted by Rollk2 View Post

Mine too and that's sometimes that fun that I'm looking for, sometimes not. I definitely like the sound signature of the X3, but that OS is so bad...
I agree about the OS. As I mentioned way back in this thread, I can't use the gapless playback feature because the X3 will freeze between tracks. The problem goes away when the gapless playback is turned off. Has anyone else had this issue? I hope the X5 doesn't do this, for I'm pretty certain I'm going to buy one. I admire James' philosophy of offering us good equipment at reasonable prices.
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