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post #2506 of 19481
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Originally Posted by Mython View Post


Can you post a link to this, please? (I can find Fiio facebook page, but can't find X5 manufacturing pics)

Thanks.



...or do you mean these?:

http://www.head-fi.org/t/661411/fiio-x5-thread-info-updated-on-dec-20th-2013/1425#post_9928561

Facebook ref
https://m.facebook.com/FiiOAUDIO?refsrc=https%3A%2F%2Fm.facebook.com%2Fphoto.php&refid=9&_rdr#_=_


It's not the X5, it's their process in general. I believe the photos are of the X3 but you can bet it has to be very similar. The link you showed up there is actually X5 batches but by the look of it those could be beta units. What I was referring to is how they described the way they QA, endurance and drop test the units usually a mark of a serious dedicated manufacturing business. Unless it's BS, all of the processes they described are in one way or another part of multi-billion electronics businesses, the likes of Sony and Apple. Kind a wonder how big Fiio is?
post #2507 of 19481

@ Mython:

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post #2508 of 19481
Thread Starter 
Personally, I like X5's current metal scroll wheel as it is (I prefer not to have rubber scroll wheel, which is less durable). I also prefer that the buttons have darker color, or even without buttons (e.g., using X1's clickable wheel). This is just my personal aesthetic preference without considering functionality or ergonomics. I am not expecting a design change from Fiio, as it may be too late to do it at this stage.
post #2509 of 19481
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Originally Posted by Mython View Post


Can you post a link to this, please? (I can find Fiio facebook page, but can't find X5 manufacturing pics)

Thanks.



...or do you mean these?:

http://www.head-fi.org/t/661411/fiio-x5-thread-info-updated-on-dec-20th-2013/1425#post_9928561

Here my good man, their direct link as referred to your question above:

http://www.fiio.com.cn/news/index.aspx?ID=100000130939944&page=1

It's always a plus to see that a company stands behind their products.
post #2510 of 19481
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Originally Posted by zzffnn View Post

Personally, I like X5's current metal scroll wheel as it is (I prefer not to have rubber scroll wheel, which is less durable).

 

Wheel will be worn out before the rubber.
a lot before...:popcorn:

post #2511 of 19481
Having hands on experience with wheel based iPods, those were looking kinda flimsy made, specially the 5th gen and those wheels outlast the player battery which is what I would worry more about. Mind you they were not electromechanical wheels so that could help keeping the wear and tear in line. The X5 wheel seems to be constructed more solidly than the classic so I anticipate the mean time between failure to be far better.
Edited by musicheaven - 12/22/13 at 2:39am
post #2512 of 19481
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Originally Posted by musicheaven View Post

Having hands on experience with wheel based iPods, those were looking kinda flimsy made, specially the 5th gen and those wheels outlast the player battery which is what I would worry more about. Mind you they were not electromechanical wheels so that could help keeping the wear and tear in line. The X5 wheel seems to be constructed more solidly than the classic so I anticipate the mean time between failure to be far better.


It is not the same technology at all...

 

disaster is coming :popcorn: :popcorn::popcorn:


Edited by Silverprout - 12/22/13 at 2:44am
post #2513 of 19481
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Originally Posted by Silverprout View Post


It is not the same technology at all...

disaster is comming popcorn.gif

I know it's not. There is no disaster there. Those guys have to mass produce a dap and it has to be able to last so you can believe they have build it such that this is going to be the last of your concerns. I don't think that FiiO is interested in mass returns.
post #2514 of 19481
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Originally Posted by musicheaven View Post


I know it's not. There is no disaster there. Those guys have to mass produce a dap and it has to be able to last so you can believe they have build it such that this is going to be the last of your concerns. I don't think that FiiO is interested in mass returns.


They make mistakes like you and me... and others.

 

... there is no photos of the wheel system... why ?


Edited by Silverprout - 12/22/13 at 2:51am
post #2515 of 19481
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Originally Posted by Silverprout View Post


They make mistakes like you and me... and others.

... there is no photos of the wheel system... why ?

I don't remember seeing Apple showing the photos of their wheel systems, some of the design stuff is proprietary and might carry a pending patent on it. To be honest they don't have to show you anything internal if they wish to. They know there are smart guys out there that are going to open up the dap and figuring it all out. Look at what those guys at iFixit do for a living.

If you are so incline to want to know what's inside, ask Joe or James and let us know. I am as curious as the guy next door. wink.gif
post #2516 of 19481

@Silverprout,

 

I don't know what you are after with your sick attitude, but I hope you are aware of what you are doing. For you it can be a funny game or trolling but you can basically mislead people in here.

post #2517 of 19481

We are here to talk about our feelings or real world technical facts ?

:popcorn: 

post #2518 of 19481

There comes a point where you should make your own DAP if you know so much more than a major manufacturer's R&D department. There's more to this than testing a different part in an unrelated product that may need to work with different voltages, associated electronics and connection levels.

 

For this purpose, reliability and comfortable use doesn't require a perfect contact on every spin on every contact. Don't know if that's the case or not but even if it were, most wouldn't even notice the odd miss in this configuration. We get it but it's time to move on. It's way overstated for the purpose and is likely negligible overall. I have a clue and it wouldn't deter me. In fact, I prefer that they went this route instead of buttons though I'm fine with either.


Edited by goodvibes - 12/22/13 at 3:51am
post #2519 of 19481

Then again a product that offers the exact same user experience regardless of the quantity produced is the hallmark of a great manufacturer.

Something that many may have overlooked as a trivial convenience.

 

Have shared my concerns before on using the mechanical wheel as a navigator in the Hifiman HM-901 thread.

And having gone through 4 different sets of HM-901, i can tell you without a doubt, each of them felt different when spinning the navigation wheel or volume pot.

Each navigation wheel had different levels of smoothness, fit and tactility which changes the user experience on each unit.

Each volume pot had different accuracy in volume control, some springy, some smooth, some grainy to the touch.

 

While we have different opinions on the matter, in the real world, the design path taken for X5's navigation wheel does offer a cause for concern.

It is the single most used part of the player and everyday, the wheel will undergo thousands of scrolls (more with 2 x 64GB worth of music, less on high res, more with mp3).

Say each scroll, the user moves from the start to the end of the file list and back and forth, for just one track. Multiply that action across up to a 100 tracks per day or commute.

You get the picture.

 

While am sure Fiio's QC is top notch, the nature of such a mechanical design is, and will definitely fail over the course of use. The question is when.

Believe, the when is a calculated risk that users of the product by then, would move on to their next product, the X7, which in the picture shared earlier in this thread is a full touch design.

And it is perhaps the reason why Apple has moved on from a scroll based navigation to a full touch based navigation, to reduce if not eliminate this design flaw.

 

Of course after saying all that, am still trying to find ways and means to get an X5 myself to use.

 

Oh well, am hopelessly lost to this hobby regardless.

post #2520 of 19481
Since you seem so sure that it's not well made, how about putting your money where your mouth is?

Buy one, disassemble and report back.

Personally having used 4 Fiio products I have faith they can pull it off.
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