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post #181 of 19481
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Originally Posted by JamesFiiO View Post

 

How to class and high end DAP? depended on the retail price ?

 

Absolutely not, James, and virutally all of us here in this thread are very appreciative of the fact that your company is doing things the right way, rather than the disgraceful, shameful, greed of iRiver with their AK120.

 

I know you already know this, but you are going to achieve enormous success by giving the hi-fi DAP marketplace high quality DAPs without greedy prices. The X3 and X5 are set to be very successful products.

post #182 of 19481
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Originally Posted by Mython View Post

 

Absolutely not, James, and virutally all of us here in this thread are very appreciative of the fact that your company is doing things the right way, rather than the disgraceful, shameful, greed of iRiver with their AK120.

 

I know you already know this, but you are going to achieve enormous success by giving the hi-fi DAP marketplace high quality DAPs without greedy prices. The X3 and X5 are set to be very successful products.

very well said Mython - couldnt agree with you more -

for the price of an ak120 i can probably buy both x3, x5 and the new dx50. And I probably will so its not about being cheap its about fair prices and supporting the companies that invest a lot of money to bring us these products. 

post #183 of 19481
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Originally Posted by JamesFiiO View Post

 

How to class and high end DAP? depended on the retail price ?

It is like high definition videos. Originally we felt wow with DVD, but then we have HD videos, and 4K is coming.

I remember DVD players was very expensive, but when Philips produced some cheaper price players, watching DVD became something affordable for me.

 

4K is now not affordable for many people, but soon there will be some company makes it affordable for the public.

 

So there must be some company which make high quality music player affordable for the public. I see FiiO as doing this job.

post #184 of 19481

I hope the Fiio X5 will give a L/R balance for me because I have a bad ear to listen confused_face.gif

post #185 of 19481

For a high end DAP, i'd take multiple reference points such as Fiio X3, Hisoundaudio Studio V, iBasso DX100, iRiver AK100, Sandisk Clip+ and even Hifiman HM-901.

 

Taking some of the best considerations such as,

  • Flexible OS (something like android) cos some of us like the extra stuff the OS brings
  • Full touchscreen navigation and selection buttons (less mechanical parts for longer durability, less faulty and repairs)
  • Dual DAC (seems to be the next step of high end daps though personally, a bit overkill)
  • Powerful internal amp to drive hard to drive headphones
  • 3.5 mm and 6.3 mm headphone jacks
  • true line out
  • optical, coaxial options
  • Dual microSD card slots supporting 64GB cards
  • USB charging
  • option to use dap as external dac and/or amp
  • large capacity battery (dense lithium ion or polymer)  to last 10 hours
  • In a portable size similar to X3 or Studio V

 

Also to explore what could be interesting and new options (one of which Hifiman has done),

  • swappable amp cards (but in an enclosed module)
  • swappable DAC module

 

 

Price wise, the company must make good margin. Just price according to company's requirement for profit and still think Fiio can confidently come out with a great price to feature to performance DAP.

 

disclaimer: above are an audio fanboy dream / wish list. hey, some of us still believe in Santa Claus. smile.gif


Edited by kenz - 5/18/13 at 9:12pm
post #186 of 19481
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Originally Posted by kenz View Post

For a high end DAP, i'd take multiple reference points such as Fiio X3, Hisoundaudio Studio V, iBasso DX100, iRiver AK100, Sandisk Clip+ and even Hifiman HM-901.

 

Taking some of the best considerations such as,

  • Flexible OS (something like android) cos some of us like the extra stuff the OS brings
  • Full touchscreen navigation and selection buttons (less mechanical parts for longer durability, less faulty and repairs)
  • Dual DAC (seems to be the next step of high end daps though personally, a bit overkill)
  • Powerful internal amp to drive hard to drive headphones
  • 3.5 mm and 6.3 mm headphone jacks
  • true line out
  • optical, coaxial options
  • Dual microSD card slots supporting 64GB cards
  • USB charging
  • option to use dap as external dac and/or amp
  • large capacity battery (dense lithium ion or polymer)  to last 10 hours
  • In a portable size similar to X3 or Studio V

 

Also to explore what could be interesting and new options (one of which Hifiman has done),

  • swappable amp cards (but in an enclosed module)
  • swappable DAC module

 

 

Price wise, the company must make good margin. Just price according to company's requirement for profit and still think Fiio can confidently come out with a great price to feature to performance DAP.

 

disclaimer: above are an audio fanboy dream / wish list. hey, some of us still believe in Santa Claus. smile.gif

Must say I disagree with half the stuff you wish for. And the other half is probably a done deal :) I don't need Android with my music and I prefer physical buttons over touchscreen, dual jacks will make the player bigger and USB/SPDIF/optical input will make it more expensive as well. I see how having one great device as both DAP and DAC (and a PDA) is attractive, but not sure it's worth the tradeoffs.

post #187 of 19481
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Originally Posted by JamesFiiO View Post

 

How to class and high end DAP? depended on the retail price ?

No, depending on the sound quality.

post #188 of 19481
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Originally Posted by JamesFiiO View Post

 

the headphone out and line out is on the top.

That's good news too, I liked that. So far so good happy_face1.gif

post #189 of 19481
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Originally Posted by hoichi View Post

Must say I disagree with half the stuff you wish for. And the other half is probably a done deal :) I don't need Android with my music and I prefer physical buttons over touchscreen, dual jacks will make the player bigger and USB/SPDIF/optical input will make it more expensive as well. I see how having one great device as both DAP and DAC (and a PDA) is attractive, but not sure it's worth the tradeoffs.

Couldn't agree with you mate. I literally 'hate' touchscreens for example. High End dap for me means pure sound quality with user friendly interface and as big battery life + capacity as possible. This is high end if you ask me. Also a pocketable size could be nice too but I wouldn't mind. DX100 has negative first side effects cuz of its side but for me it is just fine. However, smaller and thinner without losing the important features are always welcome.

post #190 of 19481
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Originally Posted by JamesFiiO View Post

How to class and high end DAP? depended on the retail price ?

Reading this made me think the following:

It's EXACTLY questions like these that show how sincere Fiio is about their product. It isn't about marketing, it's about actually making a very good product. I think i'm becoming a fanboy here wink.gif
post #191 of 19481
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Originally Posted by CH23 View Post


Reading this made me think the following:

It's EXACTLY questions like these that show how sincere Fiio is about their product. It isn't about marketing, it's about actually making a very good product. I think i'm becoming a fanboy here wink.gif

I am already a fanboy of FiiO wink.gif Their products and James himself plays a huge role in here.

post #192 of 19481

Hmmm...just sub'd to the X3 thread and then I find this one....popcorn.gif

post #193 of 19481
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Originally Posted by duaner View Post

Hmmm...just sub'd to the X3 thread and then I find this one....popcorn.gif

It never finishes, does it? happy_face1.gif Welcome to the club mate.

post #194 of 19481
I dunno where to ask this really but since this DAP will gonna have a line-out, what will happen if I plug my headphones in the line out port? I'm guessing the line-out jack is the same as HP out (3.5mm stereo)? I'm thinking that it might damage the headphones since it is at full volume of th DAC? Am I even thinking straight? lol. Thanks.
Edited by autoexec - 5/19/13 at 9:16pm
post #195 of 19481

You answered all of your questions.  Yes it's not good to plug in headphones directly.  It's going to be way above listening levels.  Line out is used to deliver line level signal at max volume to external devices like portable amps, or amps/receivers at home.

 

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Originally Posted by autoexec View Post

I dunno where to ask this really but since this DAP will gonna have a line-out, what will happen if I plug my headphones in the line out port? I'm guessing the line-out jack is the same as HP out (3.5mm stereo)? I'm thinking that it might damage the headphones since it is at full volume of th DAC? Am I even thinking straight? lol. Thanks.
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