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Originally Posted by xp9433 View Post

WCDchee
I am sure that if you have compared the X5 as the driving force fed a good digital signal (CD quality at least) to any iPhone you will agree that the difference in SQ is quite marked. The X5 is considerably better either on its own as a DAP or taking the feed from say laptop/fidelizer/jRiver.
iPhone or Android phone direct to headphones did not compete, IMO, when I made the comparison.

I have only ever tried it with earphones (ditas) and while there is a definite improvement, some extra refinement in the treble peaks mostly, i feel that the main difference is tonal. And i guess the fact that some of the top iem makers that ive spoken to have confirmed my sentiments make me somewhat more certain?

I guess it also boils down to the possibility that we look out for different things in our music. I personally value things like soundstaging and imaging a ton lot more than anything else once i get a certain tone, and the x5 doesnt quite perform there.
post #11477 of 19490
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Yea i do think that there are technical parameters which reflect sound quality which arent reflected by manufacturers!

I would be curious to see some power supply rejection specs and some power supply conducted and radiated noise specs, for example.
post #11478 of 19490
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.... while many DAPs perform well compared to many of the android phones they often aren't that much ahead of the iPhones in audio quality.

WCDchee

I am sure that if you have compared the X5 as the driving force fed a good digital signal (CD quality at least) to any iPhone you will agree that the difference in SQ is quite marked. The X5 is considerably better either on its own as a DAP or taking the feed from say laptop/fidelizer/jRiver.

iPhone or Android phone direct to headphones did not compete, IMO, when I made the comparison.

I allowed a fellow worker, who is a long time i-Phone user and currently owns and uses a 5S, to listen to some files on my X5. These were WMA files transferred from i-Tunes to both his i-Phone and the micro SD card of my X5. He was completely blown away by how much better my X5 sounded in comparison to his stock i-Phone and that's just with WMA files.

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Originally Posted by good sound View Post

I allowed a fellow worker, who is a long time i-Phone user and currently owns and uses a 5S, to listen to some files on my X5. These were WMA files transferred from i-Tunes to both his i-Phone and the micro SD card of my X5. He was completely blown away by how much better my X5 sounded in comparison to his stock i-Phone and that's just with WMA files.

Like i previously mentioned, perhaps it might just be what we each look out for in our music smily_headphones1.gif
post #11480 of 19490
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Originally Posted by Chris J View Post


What do you think of the Mercury recording of Byron Janis playing the 3rd Pno Cto?
I'm no expert, but it's one of my favourite classical performances.


Hah, Prokofief's piano concertos (all five) are the very next on my cue. Maybe instead of getting it in a set, I'll get the Mercury one. How can I lose, I mean.... Mercury...Living Presence, gosh! Byron Freakin' Janis, lol!

Hey, Chris, I'll let you know, okay? I love Prokofief's Concertos, all of 'em.

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Originally Posted by mrsmith1284 View Post
 

Are you referring to the album where he plays 3 with the LSO and 2 with the Minneapolis Symphony? If I had to have ONE album on a deserted album, that's the one I take.


I looked on Amazon, and the only recordings with Byron Janis playing Prokofief's Piano Concerto No. 3 is with Kiril Kondrashin/Moscow Phil. and one of the accompanying work is Rachmaninoff's Piano Concerto No. 1.

It is available on HDTRacks but it's for $24. I can get the remastered on Amazon used for $5.05


Edited by Ripvanlink - 7/30/14 at 9:09pm
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I'm dreaming about owning the K10 to go with my X5. What I'm hoping for as to the biggest change from my UMmodTF10

 is sound stage and imaging, plus that final high frequency extension. The UMmodTF10 is a great sounding CIEM, no doubt about it and I'm enjoying it a lot, but, you guys/gals know what I mean, onward and upward, whooh!

On another issue, is it really worth it to pay upwards of $24 on a 24/192 recording when I can get the same recording on Amazon for under $5 used. Isn't it the original recording that really counts?

Oh, and another thing I have been wondering about is, what's the diff between 16 bits in a recording and 24 bits? I can understand the sampling rate relates directly to frequency.

What I consider to be true is that 192 kh would improve the spacial sense in a recording such as soundstage, imaging and air.

post #11483 of 19490

Buy and album at 24/192 and do a comparison for yourself, see if it's worth it to you. I went hi-res and haven't looked back.

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Yeah, that's what I'd probably wind up doing anyway, just thought I'd ask and get some opinions of members with experience.

I did already buy a 24/192 recording of Lalo's Symphony in G but was very unimpressed. That's only one album, I realize.

I already have a wishlist of about 10 recordings, many classics, on HD Press but I think most are after I get my K10.

For the immediate present though, I'm thinking of Art Blakey's Moanin' and Prokofief's Piano Concerto No. 3 with Byron Janis.


Edited by Ripvanlink - 7/30/14 at 9:33pm
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Originally Posted by goldendarko View Post
 

Buy and album at 24/192 and do a comparison for yourself, see if it's worth it to you. I went hi-res and haven't looked back.

 

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Originally Posted by Ripvanlink View Post
 

Yeah, that's what I'd probably wind up doing anyway, just thought I'd ask and get some opinions of members with experience.

I did already buy a 24/192 recording of Lalo's Symphony in G but was very unimpressed. That's only one album, I realize.

I already have a wishlist of about 10 recordings, many classics, on HD Press but I think most are after I get my K10.

For the immediate present though, I'm thinking of Art Blakey's Moanin' and Prokofief's Piano Concerto No. 3 with Byron Janis.

 

It's the mastering is all you need to worry about.  Try taking any well mastered recording at as high res as you want (eg 24/192).  Resample and dither to redbook.  Use Foobar 2000 to perform a volume matched blind test.  I'd put money on it that you won't tell the difference as long as both tracks come from the same master.

 

Here's a how-to : http://www.head-fi.org/t/655879/setting-up-an-abx-test-simple-guide-to-ripping-tagging-transcoding

 

Here's something you should read about high-res : http://xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html

And here's a very good video : http://xiph.org/video/vid2.shtml

 

 
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Originally Posted by Ripvanlink View Post
 

On another issue, is it really worth it to pay upwards of $24 on a 24/192 recording when I can get the same recording on Amazon for under $5 used. Isn't it the original recording that really counts?

 

Yes - yes - yes.  The mastering is all that matters

 

 

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Originally Posted by Ripvanlink View Post
 

Oh, and another thing I have been wondering about is, what's the diff between 16 bits in a recording and 24 bits?

 

The only difference is the noise floor.  Important for the recording process - especially when layering tracks.  Not necessary for playback.  16bit is all you need.

 

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Originally Posted by Ripvanlink View Post
 

I can understand the sampling rate relates directly to frequency.

What I consider to be true is that 192 kh would improve the spacial sense in a recording such as soundstage, imaging and air.

 

192 has nothing to do with any of those.  They will be exactly the same for the track resampled and dithered to redbook.

 

Again - read the links and watch the video.  It is well worth your time.

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For anyone who is interested, amazon is having a sale on transcend memory cards today:

http://www.amazon.com/b?ie=UTF8&node=7510082011&ref=aw_gb_dd_im_i1&dealid=d0751d6f

64gb micro SDs come in under $30.
post #11487 of 19490
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Originally Posted by spatzi View Post

Doing sound sound comparisons on the same music between x5 with headphones (AKG q701's) and headphone out of my iPad Air, which is streaming flac files off my PC using the IOS Jriver remote app. The ipad sounds as good or better than the x5. How is this possible?

It's pretty much not. Is it possible that you have a favourable (to your ears) EQ enabled on the iPad? Are you sure the volume levels are the same (louder automatically sounds 'better' to the human ear initially, unless the source file is crap), and that there is no EQ or other magic effect enabled?

 

These might sound like stupid questions, and if so I apologise, but half the time when someone says they've noticed sound differences on here they're not even listening to the same record, let alone the same settings.


Edited by thericochet - 7/31/14 at 8:02am
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I hope anyone in this thread can help me answer the following question:

I'm about to plunge into some schiit (pun wholly intended)

I'll be getting a schiit modi, but can the X5 output to it through optical, or does it require the OTHER optical?
post #11489 of 19490

It requires optical, not the X5's coax SPDIF

You could connect them with a converter - examples here


Edited by uzi2 - 7/31/14 at 8:35am
post #11490 of 19490
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Originally Posted by uzi2 View Post

It requires optical, not the X5's coax SPDIF
You could connect them with a converter - examples here

Oh boy do i feel silly now :X

Thanks, i'll look into getting a converter smily_headphones1.gif
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