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post #7081 of 12797
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Originally Posted by Paulo83 View Post

Just a quick note for any guys based in the UK, I would highly recommend hifi headphones, I ordered Saturday afternoon and I'm now sat listening to my x5 with a free lollipop they stuck in the box! Pretty good customer service and quick delivery.

On another note has anyone found a way to get back to the album folder after backing out to tweek the eq? Returning to note playing won't let me back into the album folder just the curvy track off that makes sense? Slightly irritating.

On the plus side I'm now rethinking the plan to sell my momentums!


That's bugged me since day one. Especially with the weak tagging support. I don';t know why it would be useful to go back to where you were if you were in a system menu or EQ? The return key should navigate to the folder and the folder above it when playing via folder view imo

post #7082 of 12797

Any update on new firmware...

post #7083 of 12797
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Originally Posted by rocksarkar View Post
 

Any update on new firmware...


They are on beta version 1.23, with a more major update, 2.0 supposed to be coming soon.

post #7084 of 12797
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Originally Posted by vkalia View Post
 

 

+1.   James/Joe - something to consider, perhaps?    Given that we are all used to various touchscreen and other devices, it is nice to have a UI that is consistent with other devices, and also consistent within the device as well.

You seem to have misread what I wrote. The X5 wheel menu is consistent with literally every menu ever designed and every menu in use on any OS, wheel or otherwise, in that the controls move the cursor/pointer/selector, making the target icons go in the opposite direction. You go clockwise to reach something that is visibly clockwise just as you would go right to reach something to the right. This is normal and the reverse would be fantastically unconventional at best.

 

Start your PlayStation. Go to a menu. Press down. The cursor moves down but only relative to the icons, since pressing down makes all the icons go up. Pressing right makes all the icons go left. This is just how menus with static pointers work and it's utterly consistent with all devices I have ever used.


Edited by thericochet - 4/15/14 at 1:28pm
post #7085 of 12797

So bumped my x5 while it was in my pocket and the display didn't come on for a few minutes and holding power didn't do anything. Few more minutes later everything worked fine, strange.

post #7086 of 12797

I agree with the thericochet - the menu scrolling is internally consistent and consistent with all other devices I've used and it works exactly as he says - you move the "cursor"/"pointer towards the goal, not the goal towards the cursor. For me it is intuitive and does not need to be changed. Furthermore, if it were to be changed I believe it would become counter-intuitive to me.

 

I think the confusion might be due to some people being left handed(not sure about that) and using the left side of the scroll. Let me explain what I mean. Most people seem to have no problem with the menu scrolling, but some do have problem with the browsing scrolling. If you do clockwise scroll starting at 12 o'clock down to 6 o clock, the pointer moves down, which is exactly what it should be doing. The same goes for moving the scroll from 6 o'clock position to 12 o'clock counterclock-wise. I imagine the problem appears if u try to move the scroll clockwise starting from 6 to 12 and expecting the pointer to move up with your finger moving up to the 12 position, when in reality this move is equivalent to the 12 to 6 clockwise. I have a sneaky suspicion this might have to do with handedness and what part of the scroll wheel one is using. If you are using the right side predominantly(making 12 to 6 clockwise and 6 to 12 counter-clockwise scrolls), everything is intuitive, but if you are using the left side of the wheel(making 6 to 12 clockwise and 12 to 6 counter-clockwise) it becomes counter-intuitive.

 

And people not having problems with the menu with icons scrolling might be due to the graphical interface which depicts the right side of a wheel with the icons placed on it and guides you visually to what you should be expecting. This is not the case with the list of albums and people's minds might switch back to left sided scrolling...

 

I hope I was not too vague with my descriptions, but I think this would be the root of the problem for the people who have a problem with the scrolling. If this is the case, Fiio might want to include left-handed or left-side dominant perspective for the UI and scrolling.


Edited by pe3ucTop - 4/15/14 at 1:59pm
post #7087 of 12797

Just a quick note. Still using 1.20 so this has probably been fixed: turned the X5 screen on mid-song and the entire screen was flipped (like a mirror image, even text)

I shut the screen off and turned it back on and it was fine. Just thought I'd mention it!

post #7088 of 12797

I think what's confusing some people is that the on-screen wheel looks like an exact duplicate of the physical wheel on the device, so the assumption is that what you do with the latter should be reflected in the movement of the former: move the real wheel clockwise to get the virtual wheel to do the same. And they see the icons as being radials of the on-screen wheel, so where that wheel goes, the icons should follow, as though they were physically attached to it.

 

While I agree with others that it works well as it is, I can see where the confusion comes from. It might be better if the on-screen wheel didn't look just like the physical one. But I suspect people who are having trouble will get used to it fairly quickly.


Edited by Age8E - 4/15/14 at 2:26pm
post #7089 of 12797
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Originally Posted by Chris J View Post

If you input USB into the X5 is it outputted via the digital jack?

Mostly I would like to use an X5 as a stand alone Hi Rez player, but occasionally have need for a USD to SPDIF converter to play Hi Res files straight from the computer.

 



Never mind, I got an answer.
post #7090 of 12797
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Originally Posted by subver View Post
 

 

I've been playing with the EQ settings on the X5 trying to replicate that good bass boost but I can't really get it to sound as good as the E12 combo. Is that a fruitless effort?

Is there anything else at play here making it sound better?

The bass boost of the E12 is over several octaves of bass.   See the second plot on this page:  

 

http://www.jensign.com/FiiOE17/BodePlots/

 

It really is hard to approximate it with a graphical EQ with fixed bands.   It would be better to use a parametric EQ that controls center frequency and bandwidth (related to Q) along with amplitude.  Rockbox does this.  

 

Based on my staring at the E12 curve, the filter looks to be +5dB centered at 50 Hz, and with a very low Q value of 0.2 which amounts to about five octaves of bandwidth.  

 

Plus, the E12 does the boost in analog, so you don't sacrifice digital resolution in the player -- the X5 lowers the amplitude as a precut when the equalizer is engaged (according to reports).  

post #7091 of 12797
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Originally Posted by jazzman7 View Post
 

The bass boost of the E12 is over several octaves of bass.   See the second plot on this page:  

 

http://www.jensign.com/FiiOE17/BodePlots/

 

It really is hard to approximate it with a graphical EQ with fixed bands.   It would be better to use a parametric EQ that controls center frequency and bandwidth (related to Q) along with amplitude.  Rockbox does this.  

 

Based on my staring at the E12 curve, the filter looks to be +5dB centered at 50 Hz, and with a very low Q value of 0.2 which amounts to about five octaves of bandwidth.  

 

Plus, the E12 does the boost in analog, so you don't sacrifice digital resolution in the player -- the X5 lowers the amplitude as a precut when the equalizer is engaged (according to reports).  

So in short: stick with the E12/X5 combo if I like the sound of it, because I can't replicate it with the X5 alone?

 

I'm still pretty new but I am learning.. I am unsure of a couple things you said to be honest, but it seems like it would be a bad idea to ramp up the bass with the X5 anyway due to it being digital EQ?

post #7092 of 12797
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Originally Posted by subver View Post
 

So in short: stick with the E12/X5 combo if I like the sound of it, because I can't replicate it with the X5 alone?

 

I'm still pretty new but I am learning.. I am unsure of a couple things you said to be honest, but it seems like it would be a bad idea to ramp up the bass with the X5 anyway due to it being digital EQ?

 

The entire point of me getting the X5 would be to not have to (or want to) pair it with my E12v1 (or C&C BH). So, I'm hoping that you do indeed manage to replicate what you're wanting with the X5 alone.

post #7093 of 12797
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Originally Posted by subver View Post
 

Quick question guys, this may make me look like a total n00b but whatever:

 

I have DT 770 250ohms. The X5 drives them just fine, but I like the sound of the E12 with X5 better.. especially that bass boost on E12!

 

I've been playing with the EQ settings on the X5 trying to replicate that good bass boost but I can't really get it to sound as good as the E12 combo. Is that a fruitless effort?

Is there anything else at play here making it sound better?

 

I love the whole X5/E12 bundle and can't wait for that bundle kit, but if I am carrying around an E12 for no reason please let me know :)


If it sounds great to you........Well, keep doing whatever it is your doing!

post #7094 of 12797
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Originally Posted by subver View Post
 

So in short: stick with the E12/X5 combo if I like the sound of it, because I can't replicate it with the X5 alone?

 

I'm still pretty new but I am learning.. I am unsure of a couple things you said to be honest, but it seems like it would be a bad idea to ramp up the bass with the X5 anyway due to it being digital EQ?

You got it about the E12/X5 combo -- so long as the size, weight, and charging regimen isn't a problem for you, go for it.

 

Now, like wayne's world says, it is kind of a pain to have two pieces, so you could try to fit the curve using the built-in X5 EQ.   

I think each "tick" on the X5 EQ screen is 2dB.   That is based on this post:

 

http://www.head-fi.org/t/661411/fiio-x5-thread-info-updated-on-jan-17th-2014/5790#post_10418599

 

There are seven of them vertically for each band, so that gives +6dB to -6dB as a range from top to bottom.  So you could try the following.  

 

31 (Hz):  second tick from the top (+4dB)

62 (Hz):  halfway between the first and second tick (+5dB)

125 (Hz):  just after the second tick (+3.5dB)

250 (Hz):  halfway between the third and fourth tick (+1dB)

500 (Hz):  just before the fourth tick (+0.5dB)

1K (Hz) and above:  All on the fourth tick (flat).   (0dB)

 

Try it out and see if it sounds similar to the E12 with bass boost.  I have no way to check myself though (because I don't have the X5 -- this is just from reading the graph).  

post #7095 of 12797
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Originally Posted by jazzman7 View Post
 

You got it about the E12/X5 combo -- so long as the size, weight, and charging regimen isn't a problem for you, go for it.

 

Now, like wayne's world says, it is kind of a pain to have two pieces, so you could try to fit the curve using the built-in X5 EQ.   

I think each "tick" on the X5 EQ screen is 2dB.   That is based on this post:

 

http://www.head-fi.org/t/661411/fiio-x5-thread-info-updated-on-jan-17th-2014/5790#post_10418599

 

There are seven of them vertically for each band, so that gives +6dB to -6dB as a range from top to bottom.  So you could try the following.  

 

31 (Hz):  second tick from the top (+4dB)

62 (Hz):  halfway between the first and second tick (+5dB)

125 (Hz):  just after the second tick (+3.5dB)

250 (Hz):  halfway between the third and fourth tick (+1dB)

500 (Hz):  just before the fourth tick (+0.5dB)

1K (Hz) and above:  All on the fourth tick (flat).   (0dB)

 

Try it out and see if it sounds similar to the E12 with bass boost.  I have no way to check myself though (because I don't have the X5 -- this is just from reading the graph).  

This is pretty good!

Not quite there compared to the E12, though.

I need to use max volume on the X5 with my DT 770's (250ohm) with this setting, too. I do listen louder with the E12.. I know I probably listen too loud. I will keep using the E12 with my X5, though.. in my opinion sounds better - might be different for others! I also still need to play with the EQ more, so we will see.

 

And yeah I don't mind the size at all, I don't really walk around with it or anything, it's pretty much at home, in my car, and at work. I'm pretty excited for the E12/X5 bundle kit (and other accessories). I was going to buy IC cables to connect them, but it looks like it comes with a nice pair?


Edited by subver - 4/15/14 at 5:08pm
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