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Originally Posted by ClieOS View Post  "...audiophile-grade mobile devices such as smartphones, tablets, laptops and digital music players..."

 

I read it, but everyone can say they are making 'audiophile-grade' products for marketing purpose. Just about half (if not more) of the audio opamp TI makes are "audiophile" worthy, if you buy into their marketing. If fact, just about every audio opamp any chip maker make tend to get labeled as audiophiles grade. They are not wrong of course, as audiophile-or-not is largely a perspective and not some standard.

 

Whatever ES9601 may be, I am more interested in it as a mobile solution to the smartphone industry rather than an audiophile DAP. Well, maybe more to the mid to low end audiophile DAP. I still like to see proper power on higher end, even though many other might not need it but we are talking on a very niche market on some very specific consumer that are far more demanding than the average.

 

Regarding IEM, I am not actually referring to the high impedance IEM, but more to the really low impedance, under / near 10ohm variance that requires a really good (and fast) amount of current to behave well. Those are the one I often find to benefit from a beefy amp much more than the high impedance IEM.


Actually, you're taking that statement out of context; that's them making a case for the 901X-2M DACs, which have been used in the Vivo X3 and TCL Idol X+ (I"m sure you know that already), and they're marketing the 9601 as the ideal companion for those DAC chips (better to sell both than just to sell one), but whatever that's beside the point. The point is, that regardless of the wording, is that they're trying to market to the upper end of electronic supply. Plenty of audio companies use non-audiophile grade parts to great effect, so "audiophile-grade" as a term is purely marketing semantic.

 

BTW, I just noticed that the 9601 uses a charge pump, so it does in fact use switching to convert voltage --- it can likely output +/- 9V or even 12V. It seems to be a common solution for IC headamps these days; Maxim's MAX972XX series seems to do the same thing, and all of TI's DirectPath stuff do it.

 

But let's not make this about the 9601. I want to call upon my earlier suggestion that a device like the X7 could feature dual outputs --- something with low power consumption, small footprint, and tightly integrated (e.g. the ES9601 or the WM5110 chipset, etc.), and then something else for high-output instances that features traditional, big power, true Class A-biased amplification. That would make it the best of both worlds.

 

The DAP as a device, in the mass consumer world, is just about going extinct (or at best gravely endangered), as smartphones have largely taken over as the primary multimedia, cloud-connected device within our mobile lifestyle. It's only us "crazy audiophiles" that are suddenly getting all into the DAP thing, but sooner or later, these product lines will inevitably converge. It's sensible that all these companies are making components that are geared for low-power mobile devices. It's a matter of adapting them to perform at a level that hi-fi aficionados will accept.

 

To date, unless it has a diaphragm (dynamic or BA) with an inordinately high-sprung mass, I still have not seen an IEM that taxes any normal amp.

 

Anyway, I'm getting way off-topic. Sorry for the derail, guys. Back to the X5. It was fun while it lasted.

post #4907 of 12592
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Originally Posted by rdsreference View Post
 

FIIO X5 IN MY CAR

 

HI Guys

 

Is there any chance of connecting up a Fiio X5 to my 2014 Volkswagen which has a USB port as standard? Would love to play my 24 bit recordings in the car.

 

Yeah, you can. I read about someone doing that in their BMW with the X3. 

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I am saying it how I see it, not out-of-context but rather in the grand scheme of things. Did the press release has a datasheet somewhere? Well, you are right that we are way out of topic. Maybe a revisit later when it actually hits the market.

 

Back to the topic of X7 and X5 - dual amp section means increase part cost and PCB size, not sure it will be that great. I think the current X5 design already hits a very good balance between performance vs. battery life. Most of us can probably trade a bit of the output power for a little longer battery life, but it won't likely going to be like a Cowon with 50~80hrs of run time. I am happy if it is 20hrs or so myself even if X5 is half as power as it is, which is still more powerful than many portable amp anyway.

 

Funny you should mention the Maxim. The same MAX9722 is found on both E6 and iDAC (among a few others), yet the difference in implementation result in performance that is world apart. Implementation matters, I guess.

 

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Originally Posted by Niyologist View Post
 

 

Yeah, you can. I read about someone doing that in their BMW with the X3. 

If the car stereo 'see' it as a USB storage, then yes. But that means there is no difference between X3/X5 and any USB stick, and the DAP will not affect the SQ (or the playability of files).


Edited by ClieOS - 3/3/14 at 10:00am
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use line out on the x5 and aux port of the cars stereo system - that's the only way to use the advantage of the players sound quality....

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Anyone has any experience on how the X5 pairs with L2 and/or SD2? I know a bit of a long shot but no chance for me to get to try one before buying it so some impressions would be welcome.

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Originally Posted by ClieOS View Post

 

If the car stereo 'see' it as a USB storage, then yes. But that means there is no difference between X3/X5 and any USB stick, and the DAP will not affect the SQ (or the playability of files).

 

I wonder if there are other cars that support USB storage? This is definitely important to know. Thanks. :)


Edited by Niyologist - 3/3/14 at 4:55pm
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Originally Posted by doublea71 View Post
 


I had a tour unit for awhile and I do have the E17: The X5 does not put out as much juice as the E17, but it sounds so much better. I have a pair of Mad Dogs, which are not easy to drive, and the E17 can push it to volumes that are hazardous while the X5 just barely reaches uncomfortable levels. However, the X5 is so revealing compared to the E17 that it was as if I were wearing a different set of headphones. You may need an additional amp with your 250 ohm cans to reach your desired volume, but stick with the X5's dac as it is very well implemented. While listening to Beck's Sea Change, there were parts where I thought to myself, "I'm pretty sure he ate cole slaw for lunch." That's an exaggeration of course, but the level of detail was really something.

 

And I thought the X5 was more powerful than the E17. :o  Are you sure you're on the high gain setting?

 

Can anyone clarify on this? Is an E17 really has more juice than the X5? Thank you.


Edited by autoexec - 3/3/14 at 7:00pm
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Originally Posted by lee730 View Post
 

Yep H20 I was telling you that micro-detailing on the X5 is sickening... Vocals are also really good. Those nuances you mention in the lips closing/opening , to background noise you'd normally not hear, etc are all micro-detailing in my book. Just the X5 makes it sound very apparent as if its not even micro-detailing lol. The low noise-floor/black background definitely lends a hand in this area as well. The micro-detailing is my favorite aspect of the player and is what sold me. I agree the imaging and separation are also very good but it does it in a way that sounds natural and convincing at the same time. I think the X5 has a good amount of depth to its sound. Not a very wide sound stage but not narrow either.


I find what you are saying very intriguing and the micro-detailing is a quality that I would definitely lean towards paying attention to. One more reason for me to get the x5.

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Originally Posted by autoexec View Post
 

 

And I thought the X5 was more powerful than the E17. :o  Are you sure you're on the high gain setting?

 

Can anyone clarify on this? Is an E17 really has more juice than the X5? Thank you.

the specs are published on fiio website

 

E17: > 220 mW@32Ω /> 290 mW@16Ω http://www.fiio.com.cn/products/index.aspx?ID=100000014895351&MenuID=105026002

X5: > 255 mW@32Ω > 460 mW@16Ω  > 28 mW@300Ω  http://www.fiio.com.cn/products/index.aspx?ID=100000055517771&MenuID=105026016

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Posted this on the X5 World Tour thread but didn't get a response. Maybe someone here can chime in.

Hi all,

I was wondering if anyone who's auditioned the X5 has the X3 + E12 DIY combo and can comment if one of the buffer + opamp combos makes the X3 + E12 DIY sound similar to the X5. Asking because I've got an X3 + E12 DIY plus some additional opamps recommended in the E12 DIY thread. It'd be nice if I could replicate the X5's sound with that combo :-).

Thanks,
Nikolaus
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Originally Posted by CosmicHolyGhost View Post
 

the specs are published on fiio website

 

E17: > 220 mW@32Ω /> 290 mW@16Ω http://www.fiio.com.cn/products/index.aspx?ID=100000014895351&MenuID=105026002

X5: > 255 mW@32Ω > 460 mW@16Ω  > 28 mW@300Ω  http://www.fiio.com.cn/products/index.aspx?ID=100000055517771&MenuID=105026016


My experience with the Mad Dogs was that the E17 delivers significantly more volume than the X5.

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Originally Posted by doublea71 View Post
 


My experience with the Mad Dogs was that the E17 delivers significantly more volume than the X5.


I dont have E17 anymore so I cannot try to compare. Anyway, I wouldnt drive Mad Dog without a dedicated portable amp.

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It honestly sounded great straight out of the X5, much more detailed than the E17. I can't account for the difference in volume in light of the measurements, but that was my experience. 

post #4919 of 12592
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Originally Posted by doublea71 View Post

It honestly sounded great straight out of the X5, much more detailed than the E17. I can't account for the difference in volume in light of the measurements, but that was my experience. 
I'm sure the X5 will sound better but I'm still concerned about the power difference you experienced. You sure you weren't on low gain?
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Darn!...  So perfect!  A S/PDIF input would really seal the deal here in making this worthwhile to get over an Android Smartphone + a portable USB DAC/Amp combo.  Since either way you'd be carrying your phone around + an extra device, why not simply use your phone as what stores the media and a cheaper (perhaps even better sounding) USB DAC/Amp of choice (like the E18 for instance precisely for this purpose)?

 

Adding a S/PDIF input would truly give this device something which no phone would obviously ever have (nor would make sense to have) and would furthermore increase it's application significantly, making it worthwhile to carry around and/or buy instead of simply a portable DAC/Amp which you would latch onto your smartphone.  

 

The only things which the X5 currently holds over the mentioned alternative seems to be the rare cases where you might want to daisy chain another DAC through the S/PDIF output, for the small market of users who may actually utilize the DSD functionality, and/or if you really need more than 128GB of space for portable use...  Am I missing what the reason would otherwise be to invest in this DAP?


Edited by Typhoon859 - 3/4/14 at 6:29am
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