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post #2311 of 12233

I don't know Calyx, since their desktop products are top notch but as making a dap, it will be their first shot, I keep my hopes relatively low. Soundwise it might be good but real life user experience can be pretty bad. As for X7, I already skipped X3 and waited for X5, I don't think I can wait more than a year to get X7. Also, my SE5way cries to get a better source, I must retire Clip+ to use in the gym only (btw it can't drive my gym headphones KSC75 properly either :D).

 

Your mod idea seems interesting but since I am the worst DIY person in the world, I rather not to touch any device like that, I must skip it. I can say, of course 627 can add nice things on top of X5 but there is a big chance that X5 alone might be very satisfying already. I am also considering bringing things to the other levels but instead of going portable, I might look into transportable setups. If there is no chance to connect M8, I am seriously considering Wagnus Epsilon S amp to pair with it. It won't be a daily rig but when I am willing to carry an extra, small shoulder bag, I can take 2 devices with me or when I am traveling (new home, hotels etc).

 

Budget-wise, well we are kind of in the same boat, once again. As an abroad master student, I am also having difficulties of saving money for audio gear (God knows how I suffered to get SE5way). So while X5 keeps everything either perfect or great with no real big con, at that price I think, I or we can't find a better deal.

post #2312 of 12233

Yes, the X5 sounds very appealing.  I already have a headphone amp with built in DAC (JDS Labs C5D).  Two questions:

 

1) Is the HP amp on the C5D likely to be as good or better than the X5?

2) If so, can anyone recommend a DAP with USB out that can feed into the USB input for the C5D

 

Thanks, Peter

post #2313 of 12233
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Originally Posted by Peter_S View Post
 

Yes, the X5 sounds very appealing.  I already have a headphone amp with built in DAC (JDS Labs C5D).  Two questions:

 

1) Is the HP amp on the C5D likely to be as good or better than the X5?

2) If so, can anyone recommend a DAP with USB out that can feed into the USB input for the C5D

 

Thanks, Peter

 

Peter, if you are looking for a totally different combination and not at all interested in the X5 (because you already have a DAC-amp), then your question hardly seems relevant in this thread.

 

My discussion of the NW-ZX1 + Portaphile 627 was purely as an illustration that I am weighing it up versus perhaps buying the X5 instead (and, as I said earlier, I am most likely to buy the X5).


Edited by Mython - 12/17/13 at 2:38pm
post #2314 of 12233

Mython - absolutely.  And I'm doing the same thing.  I've already purchased a C5D, but I'm considering buying an X5 to get me full functionality.  That said, I don't want to waste money by duplicating capabilities of equipment, which is why I inquire about other comparable options relative to straight out purchase of an X5.  If nothing compares, than an X5 it is.

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Mython - absolutely.  And I'm doing the same thing.  I've already purchased a C5D, but I'm considering buying an X5 to get me full functionality.  That said, I don't want to waste money by duplicating capabilities of equipment, which is why I inquire about other comparable options relative to straight out purchase of an X5.  If nothing compares, than an X5 it is.

 

Fair enough :smile:

post #2316 of 12233
It is quite pointless to argue on the lack of power of the ZX1 if you have not heard it. It is plenty powerful enough for all iems I have tried.
post #2317 of 12233
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It is quite pointless to argue on the lack of power of the ZX1 if you have not heard it. It is plenty powerful enough for all iems I have tried.

How does the ZX1 sound vs. the other DAPs around its price range? Does it compare to the DX100, AK120, balanced 901?

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How much impact does a powerful output has on the sound quality for IEMs and earbuds?

 

People say AK100 have a small size because it use a dumped down amp section but it is still praised by Mike from Headfonia for its technicality.

 

If it's not necessary to drive normal IEMs and earbuds with big power why do we make powerful DAP at all like X3, X5, DX50, HM60X and HM901? Are these primarily made for full-sized heaphones?

 

My understanding is IEMs and earbuds do benefit a lot from powerful sources but where does it leave AK100? Are AK100 only suited for ultra low impedance armature IEMs?

 

What is the difference in design philosophy behind AK100 and X3/DX50? I assume the small size of AK100 is due at least in part to the skills of its engineers not just a small amp section?

 

I would really appreciate if someone can answer these questions. It's very confusing.

post #2320 of 12233

There seems to be a difference between theory and actual experience.

 

Theoretically, small sensitive earphones/IEMs/CIEMs don't require powerful amplification, and yet... it often turns out that they do seem to sound better when driven by a powerful amplifier. Personally, I suspect this is partly due to decent current reserves helping with pace, rhythm and timing, and bass extension, because all of these require control of the diaphragm(s) or balanced armatures, and when a load is highly-reactive (for example, multi-BA CIEMs can have a very variable impedance load, which can fluctuate quite wildly with certain frequency variations and pieces of music), it can be difficult for an amplifier to accurately control the transducers. And of course, damping factor, and the output impedance of the amplifier plays a significant role in this equation - others have a deeper grasp of the technicalities of this than I do, but I do have subjective experience of it - my UM Miracles sounded awful from my Cowon J3 DAP, but incredible from my DX100 (which has a powerful amp section but also a low output impedance). With the J3, the bass was very lacking and the treble was very splashy/poorly-controlled.

 

Everything is relative, of course. Everyone's mileage varies, but I personally (personally) do not heed people who assert that a DAP does not need to be particularly powerful to drive sensitive IEMs/CIEMs, just as long as it has a sufficiently-low output impedance. I personally believe that both low output impedance and decent current reserves are important in order to create a dynamic and convincing portrayal of music.

 

As just one example, I'm appalled that Sony engineered their new NW-ZX1 to have only 15mw + 15mw (@ 16 Ω). Yes, it's supposed to be an efficient DAP for long battery life, but I feel that 15mw + 15mw power output is taking liberties with customers and possibly a deliberate attempt to drive sales of the PHA-2 companion amp.  I admit that I haven't heard it, and some people who have claim it is powerful enough, but it's going to take a long time to convince me that this is really true. Once FOTM fever dies down, I suspect we'll begin to see quite a few owners admit to being dissatisfied with the current delivery of the NW-ZX1 with certain IEMs/CIEMs.

 

 

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Edited by Mython - 12/17/13 at 6:39pm
post #2321 of 12233
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Originally Posted by Peter_S View Post
 

Oh, and a USB input would allow us to stream music from our iphone5's and other USB enabled devices.  That would be great!


Maybe this already exists???  Has anyone taken USB out of their iphone using a lightning to USB adaptor and input it into an X3 acting as a DAC?  I'd really like to know if this can work, as I always have my iphone with me, and the X3/X5 would be super versatile if this could work.

post #2322 of 12233
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. . . I yearn, yearn, yearn to get back to the audiophile bliss I enjoyed when I owned a DX100.

 

I'm sorry you had to sell your DX100. Why not buy another one?

 

Regards,

Brian

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I'm sorry you had to sell your DX100. Why not buy another one?

 

Regards,

Brian

 

Too skint (on indefinite, unpaid, sick-leave for the past 18 months).

 

Plus, I use DAPs whilst I'm walking, and the truth is that, much as I love the performance of the DX100, it is a brick and it's an absolute pig to use whilst walking because every time you want to do anything with it, you need to take it out of your pocket, unlock the screen and navigate using the touchscreen.

 

If you only use it at home or at work, that's different, but I'm not one of those people.

 

 

I'm even too skint to buy an X5,  but I'm hopeful of sorting out some income in the first half of 2014, and the X5 is very reasonably priced, if it performs even close to the DX100.


Edited by Mython - 12/17/13 at 7:57pm
post #2324 of 12233
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Originally Posted by AmberOzL View Post
 


Cheers mate, without fanboy-ism, we can get what is best for us.

 

There's a nauseating amount of fanboism (and associated defensiveness) going on in the NW-ZX1 thread.

 

It doesn't serve the interests of anyone, least of all Sony or Head-fi members looking for unbiased advice.

post #2325 of 12233
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Originally Posted by Mython View Post

There's a nauseating amount of fanboism (and associated defensiveness) going on in the NW-ZX1 thread.

It doesn't serve the interests of anyone, least of all Sony or Head-fi members looking for unbiased advice.

I think that's pretty common for most new products. Even FiiO and iBasso had their fair share.
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