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post #12166 of 14564
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Originally Posted by nmatheis View Post

I think several of us are using X5 + E12 DIY 😉

Know that, just adding my 2 cents.
post #12167 of 14564
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Originally Posted by nmatheis View Post

I think several of us are using X5 + E12 DIY 😉

 

I wanted to get one, but my local supplier was out of stock. No matter. Maybe one day. I'm digging the X5 + E18 combo for the time being. I'll wait until that upgrade bug strikes!

post #12168 of 14564
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Originally Posted by White Lotus View Post
 

 

I think @Loquah is using an X5 + E12DIY, but I'm not sure which internal components he is using. 

I'm using X5 and E12DIY - the E12DIY is a definite step up especially when using harder to drive phones - even some iem's like the Havi B Pro. I am using the HA-5002 buffer and I am sure @Loquah is also using this buffer :-) it's a truly fantastic buffer a real step up. Currently only used with the included AD797 but soon to be tried with opa827 opa627 and muses01 - had to try them all :-)

post #12169 of 14564
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Originally Posted by TonyVier View Post
  Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
So, expecting to enter transcendental ascendance into the heavens of classical music, where instruments are not longer played by little puppets on the side of my head and somewhere in between, but in a holographic image in front of me, where all symphony orchestra instruments can be clearly identified each and individually instead of being blurred into blobs of "sound", but also the actual smell of a concerthall would pop into memory after pressing play, I connected the freshly arrived E12DIY today to my X5, with the standard installed AD8620 and BUF634. Did some ABing, and found a slightly better imaging, but violins a bit on the harsh side. A bit more dynamic.

Difficult to choose between high and low gain, finally continued on low gain with my TDK BA200, soon, (well, 6 weeks or so) to be replaced with UM Miracles.

Then, after reading all pages in the relevant threads, the LME49600 and AD8620 seemed the right combination, (knowing I will need to get muses eventually and do a careful logo study.)

This combination sounds better to me, violins less harsh with more detail, a nicer total image, but needs the high gain.

Now, is it worth it to add the E12DIY to the X5? The X5 on its own does a good job, but the E12DIY does add something.

Still have to try my Grado 325, but until now the TDK BA200 has been my favorite over the Grado and Sony XBA 40. But I have high hopes for a Miracle.

So, the E12DIY stays, and the HS6 will be used.

Now get me some Muses, I guess.

 

 

 

Interesting comments regarding the E12. I do think the X5's headphone out is actually quite pleasant, maybe a bit easy on the treble reducing the details.

 

I'm currently running X5 --> iBasso PB-1 --> Mad Dogs (balanced). It's a really good set up for portable use. Really digging my X5. Really 0 issues except maybe one freeze so far. 

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Also zero issues with the X5, until today. When I was ABing, switching plugs etc, the X5 at one time just showed snow on the screen. Everything fine again after a restart.

Yes the trebles. I did ABing with just one good 24/96 track, now I have listened to some more tracks, and the E12DIY is indeed richer there.
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Yes, I'm using X5 + DIY and mostly the HA9P5002 buffer (same as HA-5002) and OPA627 combo, but the HA9P5002 with the very affordable NJM5332 is strong competition and might actually win out if it fitted in the stock case without having to grind it down. Like beyerdude, I'm looking forward to trying a couple of other options including OPA827 and MUSES01 - both currently in transit on their way to me.

 

That said, I've spent considerable time with the X5 HPO over the last few days and, when volume matched (very important) it is only a fraction behind the DIY, even with TOTL op amps installed. As I said in an earlier post, I find that I accidentally listen to the X5 HPO at lower volumes than I do when using the DIY which leads to it sounding a bit flat and less dynamic, but that's not the player at fault so much as my / our perception of sound. The X5 HPO really is excellent for a portable.

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Originally Posted by Loquah View Post
 

Yes, I'm using X5 + DIY and mostly the HA9P5002 buffer (same as HA-5002) and OPA627 combo, but the HA9P5002 with the very affordable NJM5332 is strong competition and might actually win out if it fitted in the stock case without having to grind it down. Like beyerdude, I'm looking forward to trying a couple of other options including OPA827 and MUSES01 - both currently in transit on their way to me.

 

That said, I've spent considerable time with the X5 HPO over the last few days and, when volume matched (very important) it is only a fraction behind the DIY, even with TOTL op amps installed. As I said in an earlier post, I find that I accidentally listen to the X5 HPO at lower volumes than I do when using the DIY which leads to it sounding a bit flat and less dynamic, but that's not the player at fault so much as my / our perception of sound. The X5 HPO really is excellent for a portable.

Guess I should revisit the HPO alone :-) - My perception is that there is a large difference with my particular phones but I have probably only spent 3 hours listening to the HPO in total - having a relatively new E12diy sitting there didn't give me much incentive to spend much time unattached :-) - I also recall some opinion that the HPO improved with some use/burning in. I found the X5 sounded too thin/bass shy with the Havi B Pro which was rectified with the buffer change and current AD797  

 

- I also tend to drive higher impedance phones like the HD600/HD800 as well as the Q701 with my set up so I guess the higher voltage ability of the E12diy is going to help somewhat?

post #12173 of 14564
Yes. The DIY does help with hungry cans, but the X5 is very good with all my IEMs
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I tested the X5 with and without my portable UHA-4 AMP and my Fostex T50, Denon D5000, BD-DT700Pro, HD600. When leveling to the same volume without and with AMP there is NO hearable difference.

 

My assumption is that the AMP should not modify the sound in any case. I wonder if the used E12 AMP might has this tendency in general ?

 

In my opinion the X5 has a great AMP which easily drives Audeze, Oppo, Mr. Speakrs and Seennheiser's. There is no need for any kind of AMP with the X5, except to save power.  

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Originally Posted by michael4321 View Post

I tested the X5 with and without my portable UHA-4 AMP and my Fostex T50, Denon D5000, BD-DT700Pro, HD600. When leveling to the same volume without and with AMP there is NO hearable difference.



 



My assumption is that the AMP should not modify the sound in any case. I wonder if the used E12 AMP might has this tendency in general ?



 



In my opinion the X5 has a great AMP which easily drives Audeze, Oppo, Mr. Speakrs and Seennheiser's. There is no need for any kind of AMP with the X5, except to save power.  

 



I disagree, I found my Audeze LCD-3's & Mr. Speakers Alpha Dog's both to be noticeably underpowered with just the HPO of the X5 alone. The E12 is absolutely necessary in my opinion for power hungry headphones. It's almost silly to spend 2 grand on headphones too and not want to spend an additional $130 to amplify them properly for portable use but if it works for you I guess.
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Originally Posted by michael4321 View Post
 

I tested the X5 with and without my portable UHA-4 AMP and my Fostex T50, Denon D5000, BD-DT700Pro, HD600. When leveling to the same volume without and with AMP there is NO hearable difference.

 

My assumption is that the AMP should not modify the sound in any case. I wonder if the used E12 AMP might has this tendency in general ?

 

In my opinion the X5 has a great AMP which easily drives Audeze, Oppo, Mr. Speakrs and Seennheiser's. There is no need for any kind of AMP with the X5, except to save power.  

I'm revisiting the HPO tonight - will be the first time since getting the X5 3 months ago. Quite prepared to be open minded on this one even though I have dropped a lot of cash on opamps :-) - I guess the whole point of the e12diy is that changing buffers/opamps DOES alter the sound otherwise why would we spend time playing around with opamps hehe :-) 

certainly my preference is for a neutral source and then the ability to colour the amp characteristics to suit the phones....

 

also I believe the UHA-4 (looking quickly at the specs) is less powerful that the X5 so I wouldn't expect any improvement driving full size headphones anyway if anything it could sound worse with harder to drive phones like the HD600??

post #12177 of 14564
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Originally Posted by beyerdude View Post
 

I'm revisiting the HPO tonight - will be the first time since getting the X5 3 months ago. Quite prepared to be open minded on this one even though I have dropped a lot of cash on opamps :-) - I guess the whole point of the e12diy is that changing buffers/opamps DOES alter the sound otherwise why would we spend time playing around with opamps hehe :-) 

certainly my preference is for a neutral source and then the ability to colour the amp characteristics to suit the phones....

 

also I believe the UHA-4 (looking quickly at the specs) is less powerful that the X5 so I wouldn't expect any improvement driving full size headphones anyway if anything it could sound worse with harder to drive phones like the HD600??

 

That's how I'm using it now

post #12178 of 14564
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Originally Posted by goldendarko View Post
 
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Originally Posted by michael4321 View Post
 

I tested the X5 with and without my portable UHA-4 AMP and my Fostex T50, Denon D5000, BD-DT700Pro, HD600. When leveling to the same volume without and with AMP there is NO hearable difference.

 

 

 

My assumption is that the AMP should not modify the sound in any case. I wonder if the used E12 AMP might has this tendency in general ?

 

 

 

In my opinion the X5 has a great AMP which easily drives Audeze, Oppo, Mr. Speakrs and Seennheiser's. There is no need for any kind of AMP with the X5, except to save power.  

 



I disagree, I found my Audeze LCD-3's & Mr. Speakers Alpha Dog's both to be noticeably underpowered with just the HPO of the X5 alone. The E12 is absolutely necessary in my opinion for power hungry headphones. It's almost silly to spend 2 grand on headphones too and not want to spend an additional $130 to amplify them properly for portable use but if it works for you I guess.

Exactly - I have just spent some time with the HD600 and also the Havi B Pro (which are a pretty power hungry IEM), swapping between the two - the X5 on its own sounds compressed, less dynamic, there is also less blackness to the background (I relax far sooner listening to the E12diy if that makes sense?) - the headphones have more tendency to 'disappear' with a well mastered track. Where the difference really shows it with a complex/dynamic piece of music - this is all at moderate listening levels - I am sure with easier to drive IEM's I would not find that at all but I seem to have a habit of buying headphones that 'need' good amplification. 

post #12179 of 14564
I join the people above me.

X5 + E12DIY with HA-5002 buffers, silmic II capacitors, and MUSE 02 opamp.
post #12180 of 14564
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Originally Posted by CH23 View Post

I join the people above me.

X5 + E12DIY with HA-5002 buffers, silmic II capacitors, and MUSE 02 opamp.

So what Silmic II caps are you using - vaguely remember a value like 22uf 16v?? - think I might have to change out these next :-)

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