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Originally Posted by Brooko View Post
 

@chengsta - how did you volume match between the two?  SPL meter?


Actually I didn't, I just used my ears to match.  But I did make it slightly louder for a while, then made it slightly lower in volume for another while during testing.  When I turned it up loud enough to actually hear the air and shimmer, it hurt my ears.  Both for the x5 (dac mode) and the Modi.  The x5 by itself doesn't need to be turned up as loud to hear the shimmer.  Its probably not noticeable to anyone that's not intimately familliar with their tracks though.


Edited by chengsta - 8/3/14 at 2:03pm
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Originally Posted by chengsta View Post
 


Actually I didn't, I just used my ears to match.  But I did make it slightly louder for a while, then made it slightly lower in volume for another while during testing.  When I turned it up loud enough to actually hear the air and shimmer, it hurt my ears.  Both for the x5 (dac mode) and the Modi.  The x5 by itself doesn't need to be turned up as loud to hear the shimmer.  Its probably not noticeable to anyone that's not intimately familliar with their tracks though.

 

Knowing a little bit about psycho acoustics - I'd suggest (if you have time):

 

  1. Get an SPL meter
  2. Calibrate both - so you know exactly when volume matched.  Suggest constant tone around 3 kHz (covers ~ where vocals sit).
  3. Once you know exact volume required to match - get someone to help you, and repeat tests blind.  Make sure they use random sequences.

 

Results may be 'enlightening' ;).

post #11568 of 12546
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Originally Posted by CH23 View Post


Too bad these tests never go beyond speech/mids.

I'm 23 but according to this i have the hearing of an 18 year old.

The pros of having no social life at all, i suppose :P

Actually, the link I posted earlier has tests that go well beyond the range of human hearing. wink.gif

Another one, from 0-20kHz.

http://onlinetonegenerator.com/hearingtest.html
Edited by x RELIC x - 8/3/14 at 3:22pm
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Originally Posted by x RELIC x View Post

Actually, the link I posted earlier has tests that go well beyond the range of human hearing. wink.gif

I'll try that one in a moment. Thanks smily_headphones1.gif



Also
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I continue to be impressed by the X5. It would be nice if Fiio would implement options for the physical buttons so that we could change what the buttons and wheel perform. It would certainly be more intuitive to have the back button on the upper left instead of the upper right. Also when you hold the upper right button to go back to the root it would be nice if it took you back to where you started instead of always to the folder. Aside from these minor details I absolutely love the 5. I am curious to see if the sq changes with burn in. I currently only have around 2 hours on it.
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I would like for there to be a "Recently Added" section in the library so wet could easily see the latest albums we added.
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Dropped my X3 once on the bathroom floor and now the display has only backlight and no text. Unlucky so I got the X5. I take that back. Lucky as it prompted me to get the X5.

 

I really like the X3 so I didn't expect that much of an upgrade with the X5. It blew me away. Obviously it is a matter of personal preference as well, but for me the X5 is almost a revolution over the X5. I like signatures that are a bit warm and bass heavy so you would think he X3 was perfect for me, but the X5 have got it just right. Maybe it has something to do with my headset (P7) as well. As the headset is a tad warm and bass heavy - it might be just better combined with a player slightly less so than the X3.

 

What really separates them for me though is the openness. Can't believe a player in this price range can give you this kind of openness and power.

 

Not a big fan of the UI as usual with Fiio, but it doesn't bother me that much. Also would be great if it was a bit more portable, but again it doesn't really bother me that much - I do carry it around without thinking much about it. Highly highly recommendable product.


Edited by Havre - 8/4/14 at 1:45am
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Originally Posted by Havre View Post

Dropped my X3 once on the bathroom floor and now the display has only backlight and no text. Unlucky so I got the X5. I take that back. Lucky as it prompted me to get the X5.

I really like the X3 so I didn't expect that much of an upgrade with the X5. It blew me away. Obviously it is a matter of personal preference as well, but for me the X5 is almost an revolution over the X5. I like signatures that are a bit warm and bass heavy so you would think he X3 was perfect for me, but the X5 have got it just right. Maybe it has something to do with my headset (P7) as well. As the headset is a tad warm and bass heavy - it might be just better combined with a player slightly less so than the X3.

What really separates them for me though is the openness. Can't believe a player in this price range can give you this kind of openness and power.

Not a big fan of the UI as usual with Fiio, but it doesn't bother me that much. Also would be great if it was a bit more portable, but again it doesn't really bother me that much - I do carry it around without thinking much about it. Highly highly recommendable product.

I pegged the improvement to be the natural sound and improved clarity over the X3. Everything sounds less 'recorded' on the X5. When I had both in my possession going back to the X3 it sounded slightly veiled, and dull in comparison. The X5 simply steps it up a notch and your reaction has been echoed in most reports from people who upgrade from the X3.

Congratulations on the (accidental) upgrade! smily_headphones1.gif
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Originally Posted by Havre View Post

Dropped my X3 once on the bathroom floor and now the display has only backlight and no text. Unlucky so I got the X5. I take that back. Lucky as it prompted me to get the X5.

I really like the X3 so I didn't expect that much of an upgrade with the X5. It blew me away. Obviously it is a matter of personal preference as well, but for me the X5 is almost a revolution over the X5. I like signatures that are a bit warm and bass heavy so you would think he X3 was perfect for me, but the X5 have got it just right. Maybe it has something to do with my headset (P7) as well. As the headset is a tad warm and bass heavy - it might be just better combined with a player slightly less so than the X3.

What really separates them for me though is the openness. Can't believe a player in this price range can give you this kind of openness and power.

Not a big fan of the UI as usual with Fiio, but it doesn't bother me that much. Also would be great if it was a bit more portable, but again it doesn't really bother me that much - I do carry it around without thinking much about it. Highly highly recommendable product.

We've made a thread with modified UIs, which you might find more to your liking here : http://www.head-fi.org/t/717947/fiio-x5-custom-modded-firmwares

Differences aren't always that big, but might be just enough to like it a little better smily_headphones1.gif

Enjoy your X5. It's a keeper for sure!
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Originally Posted by CH23 View Post


We've made a thread with modified UIs, which you might find more to your liking here : http://www.head-fi.org/t/717947/fiio-x5-custom-modded-firmwares

Differences aren't always that big, but might be just enough to like it a little better smily_headphones1.gif

Enjoy your X5. It's a keeper for sure!


Cool. I'll check it out.

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Originally Posted by chengsta View Post


my usb source was my computer.  The thing is that the x5 would sound slightly veiled, the shimmery highs on the high hats did not shimmer when used as a dac, and the bass was bloaty.  Basically the x5 sounds exactly like the schiit modi when used as a DAC.  Not that the modi sucks, the x5 is just better when not used as an external dac. I listened to the same ~60 tracks over and over again 8 hours per day for the last year and a half, I am extremely familliar with'em and so I can hear the little differences when changing players, software, cables, etc.   I set the sample depth to 24/96, full system volume output. 

As for the software, I used foobar2000 but its UI is a pain to use so I went to AIMP3 which had an awesome UI.  However I then realized it had a 'V' shaped sound, the strumming of guitars on certain tracks was missing some details.  Currently I'm using musicbee because it sounds exactly like foobar2000 except with a slightly better ui.  The desktop amp I'm using is the ifi Ican micro.

I'm not a big fan of Foobar's UI myself, in fact, I hate it!

Should I try Audacity?
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Originally Posted by Brooko View Post

Knowing a little bit about psycho acoustics - I'd suggest (if you have time):
  1. Get an SPL meter
  2. Calibrate both - so you know exactly when volume matched.  Suggest constant tone around 3 kHz (covers ~ where vocals sit).
  3. Once you know exact volume required to match - get someone to help you, and repeat tests blind.  Make sure they use random sequences.

Results may be 'enlightening' wink.gif .

Even if you don't (or can't) get someone to help you with your X3/X5 comparison tests, volume matching the two DAPs makes a huge difference!
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Originally Posted by Chris J View Post


I'm not a big fan of Foobar's UI myself, in fact, I hate it!

Should I try Audacity?


Foobar's UI is highly configurable. Do you hate all of the options available?

Admittedly, it takes some work to get the display exactly as you want it, but it is a one off exercise.

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About to make a final decision on this - am just about to list my 160GB ipod classic on ebay to raise the final funds for it...

 

Just need some final decision swingers!

 

After a recent post regarding its DAC not being too great, how are other folks finding it?  I expect to use it just as often as a USB DAC on my laptop, than as a DAP. 

 

I'm currently using the Fiio E17 as a DAC with AKG K550 phones. 

 

I find the AKGs need a little bass boost, and I have the bass on the E17 set to 6.  Will I need to still amp the X5 with the E17 if I want to boost the bass for the AKGs?  Would I be better trading in the E17 for an E12?  Or should the X5's custom EQ be OK to bass boost?  I currently prefer to keep the source free of EQ (iPod and Foobar on laptop).

 

Cheers.

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Originally Posted by Poimandres View Post

 Also when you hold the upper right button to go back to the root it would be nice if it took you back to where you started instead of always to the folder. 

What version of firmware is currently on your X5?  I think the current beta firmware corrects this quirk.

 

I have downloaded firmware 2.07, but i have yet to flash it to my X5. It has been reported as being quite stable for a beta, so I think I will install it today.

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