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post #10696 of 13263
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Originally Posted by hykhleif View Post

I was wondering if I want to connect the fiio x5 to the chord hugo coaxially, is there not another cable that allows me just use one cable from the fiio x5 to the chord hugo without the adapter that is included in the fiio x5 box

The chord hugo uses an RCA plug, right?

Might try a search for "mono 3.5 jack to rca cable".

I believe that should work...
post #10697 of 13263

upgraded to the 2.02b and it fixed the first few seconds skipping, thanks

post #10698 of 13263
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Originally Posted by hykhleif View Post
 

I was wondering if I want to connect the fiio x5 to the chord hugo coaxially, is there not another cable that allows me just use one cable from the fiio x5 to the chord hugo without the adapter that is included in the fiio x5 box

 

You could take a quality coax cable and reterminate it to mono 3.5mm or have someone make a custom cable for you.

post #10699 of 13263
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Originally Posted by LarryB08 View Post
 

2.02, for me, does list the ALL Songs for an artist by album but, again, alphabetically and not by track number. All songs in 2.03 simply groups the entire collection of songs by the artist in one big alphabetical listing. In short, it is clear that the X5 is definitely not reading the track number tags at all. I certainly don't plan to rename my 35,000 tracks to include track numbers in their title - especially as no other device or player that I have used for well over 10 years, and I have used many, has ever had a problem reading track number MP3 tags.

 

I really do hope Fiio can fix what should be a very simple fix as it is a major stumbling block.

 

As long as I continue to read of problems like this, I will continue to use only folder browsing for navigation on the X5.  This is really sad, but I am so easily frustrated by these truly unnecessary software bugs that I have never allowed my X5 to scan my mounted microSD cards. I've had it for five weeks and counting, but have yet to expose myself to any functions other than turning it on, selecting the folder browser, then navigating from there.  I have intentionally avoided any chance of the frustration this thread has continued to evidence.  I have no interest in becoming part of FiiO's global quality assurance team.

 

Meanwhile, the output from the X5's Line Out is absolutely stunning for use with highly resolving, but bright, bass-lacking headphones like the HD800 or AKG K550 - but with the right external amp, not with the X5's internal headphone amp, which I find to be dark, in and of itself, and less than transparent.  My Audeze LCD-2 and Oppo PM-1 have no sparkle whatsoever on the X5 headphone out, despite sounding fine (for my tastes) on truly neutral (and transparent) external amps fed with the X5 Line Out.

 

In short, my five weeks with the X5 (at FW v2.0) leaves me convinced that it's nothing short of wonderful as a simple card reader and PCM1792A DAC to Line Out, but I'm not about to explore its other "features" as long as people continue to post their frustrations.  I suspect that many of the people who say they aren't frustrated are actually just watered-down versions of me - avoiding things that don't work - threading their way through the minefield of bugs.  

 

FiiO is certainly not alone in producing DAPs that require us to jump through hoops. 

 

 

Mike


Edited by zilch0md - 6/29/14 at 6:04am
post #10700 of 13263

Here's the funny thing though Mike - you haven't tested all the features, yet you're making judgement calls already on what's been posted by others.

 

I'm using FW 2.02b, and because I'm under the 5800 limit - I use the tagged library most of the time (rather than folder view).  It's wonderful.  Yes it's missing some basics - like being able to go Genre > Artist > Album etc - but simply going Artist Album works fine.  All my tags are recognised.  I have absolutely no issues with it.

 

It's not an iPod - so doesn't have the mature UI.  I mean it's been out for less than a year.  What do people expect??  Apples been in in this game for almost 14 years!  It's time people stopped and took an objective look at what Fiio have achieved.  A great sounding DAP, with expandable storage, that can be used as a DAC, will decode DSD to PCM, and which can be used without an amp to power some harder to drive full sized headphones.  And the UI actually isn't that bad.

 

What I like is that Fiio are continuing to develop the firmware, and are actually making progress with each new step.

 

Unfortunately most of the people complaining seem to be coming from mature UI devices.  Try comparing it to an HSA Studio 3 - and then you'll realise how good the UI is getting.

post #10701 of 13263

When did the FW 2.02b came out? FW 2.0 was release in the end of april, and it still seem´s to be the same version for this moment.

 

When I bought my X5 a few weeks ago, FW 2.0 was already preinstalled - and for me, everything seem´s to working just fine! The only thing disturbing me, is how to listen to all song´s in the card, regardless they are in different map´s. Maybe the icon setting with three horisontal lines will be the choise, but I guess it will just play all song´s in the chosen map, then stop playing. I just want to play from the chosen song until the end of the card.

 

I have only tested with a pair of AKG K530 from Phone out, and the sound is a bit bright due to the headphones bump at 9 kHz. I intend to use the X5 with an battery driven amp (either a modded Lehmann BCL or modded Project Headbox MKII) and AKG K702 with cable from Double Helix (or actually handmade from Zombie X, a very nice cable!).

 

 

/ Mikael Markstrom

post #10702 of 13263

Hi Brooko,

 

 

Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

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Originally Posted by Brooko View Post
 

Here's the funny thing though Mike - you haven't tested all the features, yet you're making judgement calls already on what's been posted by others.

 

I'm using FW 2.02b, and because I'm under the 5800 limit - I use the tagged library most of the time (rather than folder view).  It's wonderful.  Yes it's missing some basics - like being able to go Genre > Artist > Album etc - but simply going Artist Album works fine.  All my tags are recognised.  I have absolutely no issues with it.

 

It's not an iPod - so doesn't have the mature UI.  I mean it's been out for less than a year.  What do people expect??  Apples been in in this game for almost 14 years!  It's time people stopped and took an objective look at what Fiio have achieved.  A great sounding DAP, with expandable storage, that can be used as a DAC, will decode DSD to PCM, and which can be used without an amp to power some harder to drive full sized headphones.  And the UI actually isn't that bad.

 

What I like is that Fiio are continuing to develop the firmware, and are actually making progress with each new step.

 

Unfortunately most of the people complaining seem to be coming from mature UI devices.  Try comparing it to an HSA Studio 3 - and then you'll realise how good the UI is getting.

 

 

You've made some excellent points, but I clearly stated that I've restricted my use of the X5 because I have no patience for bugs. Call me a whiner (which you haven't) but it's a given that I can't judge that which I haven't tested.  I don't have to, as there are a lot of other people who have gone where I'm not willing to go and the X5 is still getting too much negative feedback for me to expose myself to those hassles. The question becomes: Will the X5 ever mature, or will it only get replaced by a newer model, which itself is loaded with bugs?

 

Meanwhile, I absolutely love my X5, using it strictly as I do, walking a very narrow path through the minefield. I don't need to step on any mines myself to hear the anguish of the wounded who have strayed from the path I've chosen - a path that is absolutely painless. There may very well be other paths within the X5 that are just as painless, but I'm sticking to this one until the cries of the wounded cease.

 

That said, I'm compelled to again elaborate on the X5's PCM1792A Line Out. It is literally the only gear I own that makes it possible for for me to truly enjoy listening to music with my Sennheiser HD800. Before getting the X5, I could only use my HD800 as a piece of test equipment for comparing the resolution of upstream components. Just turning on the X5 is a rush for me, every time - perhaps the best $349 I've ever spent on audio gear. Now, the following chains actually bring excitement each and every time I sit down to enjoy my music.  

 

44.1/16 and 96/24 WAV or DSD files > FiiO X5 Line Out > iBasso PB2 with 4x LME49990 and dummy buffers, balanced out > Toxic Cables Silver Poison > HD800

 

44.1/16 and 96/24 WAV or DSD files > FiiO X5 Line Out > Oppo HA-1 balanced out > Toxic Cables Silver Poison > HD800

 

The X5's DAC is not only intensely detailed, leaving nothing out, but it manages to do so without any graininess - it's spectacularly transparent.  And better still, it has a "wetness" that just sounds so natural, giving violins, piano, acoustic guitar, bells, flutes, chimes - everything acoustic, including vocals - a very natural timbre.  I was one of the Oppo HA-1 beta testers, having had multiple HA-1 prototypes since December of last year, and as good as the HA-1's ESS9018 DAC is (especially with headphones that inject a lot of color on their own - such as the LCD-2), I very much prefer the PCM1792A Line Out of the X5 to the HA-1's ESS9018 implementation, with neutral to bright headphones, like the HD800. But even with the LCD-2, which benefits greatly by the HA-1's powerful amp section, the HA-1's DAC is, in comparison to the X5's DAC, somewhat lifeless, compressed, and dry sounding. Seriously.

 

In short, everyone should feel free to ignore my sensitivity to continued reports of X5 bugs, but don't miss out on the sincere praise I have for using the X5's Line Out, as I do.

 

Mike

post #10703 of 13263

I got to agree on instruments.  They do sound very good on the X5.

post #10704 of 13263
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Originally Posted by Duncan View Post


A bug? I was definitely under the impression it was a protection feature?

I must confess I only use the LO, so haven't experienced it myself though...

Of course it is a bug. No audio player that I know would skip the first two seconds of a song for any reason whatsoever. At the most, it would delay the start of the song for those two seconds, but the song would play from the very first second.

This is a top ten X5 bug for me.

post #10705 of 13263
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Originally Posted by Muenchener View Post

Of course it is a bug. No audio player that I know would skip the first two seconds of a song for any reason whatsoever. At the most, it would delay the start of the song for those two seconds, but the song would play from the very first second.


This is a top ten X5 bug for me.
There were two separate aspects to the post I quoted, and in turn you quoted from me...

I was referring to, as you'll see above, the click the player emits at start-up.
post #10706 of 13263

Hi all,

 

I'm looking for help in choosing may new DAP.

 

I'm doubting between the X5 (I also have a FIIO E18) and ... the Astell&Kern AK100 MKII ... (at 2x the price)

 

 

Maybe a bit a strange list-up, but can somebody give me some input on "can you hear the difference"?

I'm looking to build on my audio files and setup. I really love music and classical in particular.

 

The DAP will be most used with IEM's (I'll probable get Shure 535 or Westone W40 ... Grado GR10 ...)

 

 

Current Setup:

Headsets: Beyerdynamic DT880 250Ohm (half-open), AKG K551 (closed), Pioneer DJE-2000 IEM's

Source: Galaxy S5 + FIIO E18 (PowerAMP), iPod Classic 160GB + same FIIO E18 + L9 30pin cable

 

 

I'm a bit at a loss to make a decision, as well for the DAP as for the IEM's.

All input is very much appreciated ... not easy ...

 

Regards,

 

Casper

post #10707 of 13263

Okay, this is going to seem really silly, but I have looked in the online manual and at some you-tube online tutorials and I need to know something. Under player settings in the UI menu. At the very top, play mode, there are four pictograph icons for the four different play modes, but nowhere can i find a place where it says which pictograph represents which play mode function. I know there is play the entire file once and stop, but which icon is that? I know there is shuffle mode, but which icon is that? I know there is playback loop mode, but which icon is that? I know there is play one song repeat, but which icon is that? I thought it would be intuitive from the look of the pictograph, but i have to tell you it isn't, at least not for me. I have it set to what I thought would be play the entire file once in the proper track order and then stop, which is the setting i want. I thought this would be the pictograph that looks sort of like an infinity sign with the ends not connected, but when I set it to this it plays the file repeatedly and out of order almost like a repeat shuffle mode which as far as I know is not one of the options. I assume that the two circular lines with nothing inside should be continuous repeat and the same icon with the number one inside should be single track repeat and that the icon which is four straight lines arranged horizontally would be shuffle play. I'm confused, can someone sort this out for me?

 

Also when I play back an album file from the browse folders it doesn't seem to play the tracks in numerical order, it mixes them all up. Is this normal? Does FiiO know about it and are they planning a fix in a future firmware update, Does one  of the beta firmwares either 2.02 or 2.03 fix this issue? I know a lot of questions and a lot of confusion. Your help is greatly appreciated.

post #10708 of 13263
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Originally Posted by good sound View Post

Okay, this is going to seem really silly, but I have looked in the online manual and at some you-tube online tutorials and I need to know something. Under player settings in the UI menu. At the very top, play mode, there are four pictograph icons for the four different play modes, but nowhere can i find a place where it says which pictograph represents which play mode function. I know there is play the entire file once and stop, but which icon is that? I know there is shuffle mode, but which icon is that? I know there is playback loop mode, but which icon is that? I know there is play one song repeat, but which icon is that? I thought it would be intuitive from the look of the pictograph, but i have to tell you it isn't, at least not for me. I have it set to what I thought would be play the entire file once in the proper track order and then stop, which is the setting i want. I thought this would be the pictograph that looks sort of like an infinity sign with the ends not connected, but when I set it to this it plays the file repeatedly and out of order almost like a repeat shuffle mode which as far as I know is not one of the options. I assume that the two circular lines with nothing inside should be continuous repeat and the same icon with the number one inside should be single track repeat and that the icon which is four straight lines arranged horizontally would be shuffle play. I'm confused, can someone sort this out for me?

Also when I play back an album file from the browse folders it doesn't seem to play the tracks in numerical order, it mixes them all up. Is this normal? Does FiiO know about it and are they planning a fix in a future firmware update, Does one  of the beta firmwares either 2.02 or 2.03 fix this issue? I know a lot of questions and a lot of confusion. Your help is greatly appreciated.
The icons are:

Circle with arrows - repeat playlist / folder
lines - play playlist / folder from beginning to end, and stop
Criss-cross arrows - shuffle folder / playlist
Circle with a 1 inside - repeat track only

Re your second point, there is a known issue with playlists (if you're using one of the beta firmwares that can access playlists - you can spot these by the little line icons next to them) - but, so long as you're in folder view, and pick whichever track you want to start from, and you have the three lines icon as mentioned above, you should be fine!??
post #10709 of 13263
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Originally Posted by Duncan View Post
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by good sound View Post

Okay, this is going to seem really silly, but I have looked in the online manual and at some you-tube online tutorials and I need to know something. Under player settings in the UI menu. At the very top, play mode, there are four pictograph icons for the four different play modes, but nowhere can i find a place where it says which pictograph represents which play mode function. I know there is play the entire file once and stop, but which icon is that? I know there is shuffle mode, but which icon is that? I know there is playback loop mode, but which icon is that? I know there is play one song repeat, but which icon is that? I thought it would be intuitive from the look of the pictograph, but i have to tell you it isn't, at least not for me. I have it set to what I thought would be play the entire file once in the proper track order and then stop, which is the setting i want. I thought this would be the pictograph that looks sort of like an infinity sign with the ends not connected, but when I set it to this it plays the file repeatedly and out of order almost like a repeat shuffle mode which as far as I know is not one of the options. I assume that the two circular lines with nothing inside should be continuous repeat and the same icon with the number one inside should be single track repeat and that the icon which is four straight lines arranged horizontally would be shuffle play. I'm confused, can someone sort this out for me?

Also when I play back an album file from the browse folders it doesn't seem to play the tracks in numerical order, it mixes them all up. Is this normal? Does FiiO know about it and are they planning a fix in a future firmware update, Does one  of the beta firmwares either 2.02 or 2.03 fix this issue? I know a lot of questions and a lot of confusion. Your help is greatly appreciated.
The icons are:

Circle with arrows - repeat playlist / folder
lines - play playlist / folder from beginning to end, and stop
Criss-cross arrows - shuffle folder / playlist
Circle with a 1 inside - repeat track only

Re your second point, there is a known issue with playlists (if you're using one of the beta firmwares that can access playlists - you can spot these by the little line icons next to them) - but, so long as you're in folder view, and pick whichever track you want to start from, and you have the three lines icon as mentioned above, you should be fine!??

Okay thanks a lot. I feel like an idiot, especially as these icons are probably somewhat universal in the MP3 and DAP world.

post #10710 of 13263
Allthough I have issues with the X5 I would have to quote Mike that it's the best € 350 I've spend on audiogear so far. I love the level of detail and the way it sounds balanced throughout the musical spectrum.
That said, I have a problem with a Kingston Micro SD card (64Gb). No matter what I do (format with GUI Format, change the slots, reset the player, all the suggestions from Fiio's support), I keep getting the message 'No music files found', or 'musical format not supported' when playing some files. In the other slot I have a Sandisk that plays the exact same files without a problem. Anyone familiar with this? It must be the card, allthough it does play other files fine.
Any suggestions?
Thanks.

Hans
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