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post #10621 of 13134
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Originally Posted by violencer View Post

Hi, everyone. I'm going to buy Fidelio X1, does anyone have there Philips Fidelio X1 with FiiO X5, should I buy FiiO E12 for that headphone?
I purchased the X1 and returned the headphones as I found them to be very hot and the cups not very deep.

Have you tried them?
post #10622 of 13134
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Originally Posted by Flomet View Post


I purchased the X1 and returned the headphones as I found them to be very hot and the cups not very deep.

Have you tried them?

 

Not yet. :)
What have you bought after them?

post #10623 of 13134
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Originally Posted by violencer View Post

Not yet. smily_headphones1.gif

What have you bought after them?
I went for Sennheiser HD 598 as I know that make of headphones very well.

Don't jump in and buy the X1 until you have tried and tested them with your X5.

Ask in this thread before pulling the trigger as the people here are very helpful.
post #10624 of 13134

Like the knowledgeable people say, "Audition, Audition, Audition............We are all different in taste....Music.  We all have different hearing abilities.......Enjoy, but Audition!!

post #10625 of 13134
Unless you live in a place with 0 hifi gear for sale, like me. Las Vegas is full of retail, especially for clothes, but we only have 1 decent audio store and they are still building their headphone section.
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What I would like to know about SACD recordings is: can they be converted to a format like flac w/o a special player? I use dbPowerAmp to convert cds to flac and I love that program, but when I tried to add the SACD file, instead I got the DSD one w/o any indication that I had a choice. I guess that's automatic.

I see info that headfiers mention where they convert to 24/88 but I thought that  SACDs can only be accessed on special cd/dvd players b/c of proprietary Sony protections. Is there a way to get around that restriction, if it does indeed exist?

post #10627 of 13134
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Originally Posted by sludgeogre View Post

Unless you live in a place with 0 hifi gear for sale, like me. Las Vegas is full of retail, especially for clothes, but we only have 1 decent audio store and they are still building their headphone section.


In same situation... I'm already have UE900 and XBA-H3, using them with FiiO X5, but now I need open-back headphone for home... I read in russian community that X1 will be a nice combo with X5. I have opportunity to buy it from amazon but no any chance listen to before  buy... I also want to buy FiiO X1 as replacement to Sansa Clip for sport. MP4NATION gives good discount for FiiO Amp. when you buying something with FiiO Amp. Should I buy the E12 for X5+UE900, XBA-H3, Fidelio X1? Does the E12 add some weight for music? Will it be more warm, add punchy bass, increase soundstage?
Currently, I'm a little disappointed with X5 sound... For audiophile music it's a very good DAP, I like it, but for electronic music especially for experimental, industrial, Japan/Power Noise, sound is little harsh and tiny and for speedy bass music such as Mutant Break and Bass, French Dubstep, Drumstep, Breakcore etc, sound is little lack of sub buffer punchy bass. Anyway, I like the FiiO devices with same love as other people like the Apple devices and will replace my X5 only for the X7.

 

PS. Please, forgive me for my English :)

post #10628 of 13134
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Originally Posted by Ripvanlink View Post
 

What I would like to know about SACD recordings is: can they be converted to a format like flac w/o a special player? I use dbPowerAmp to convert cds to flac and I love that program, but when I tried to add the SACD file, instead I got the DSD one w/o any indication that I had a choice. I guess that's automatic.

I see info that headfiers mention where they convert to 24/88 but I thought that  SACDs can only be accessed on special cd/dvd players b/c of proprietary Sony protections. Is there a way to get around that restriction, if it does indeed exist?

 

SACDs do have a very strict DRM in place. Actually, many people credit this as a reason why the format failed. 

 

Did you know that Playstation 3 could play SACDs? The first versions could. Did you know Playstation 3 also had an optical out? Did you know that you can play digital streams over a digital out? Sony forgot! Long story short: Sony forgot to disable the optical out for SACD streams.This is how you can get the DSD files from SACDs. I believe this is the only way to actually get the pure digital files. 

 

Once you've got your hands on a DSD file, you can easily encode it to a PCM file. 

 

 

Of course, this is all from what I've gathered, correct me (anyone) if I'm wrong. 


Edited by elwappo99 - 6/24/14 at 12:17pm
post #10629 of 13134
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Originally Posted by elwappo99 View Post
 

 

SACDs do have a very strict DRM in place. Actually, many people credit this as a reason why the format failed. 

 

Did you know that Playstation 3 could play SACDs? The first versions could. Did you know Playstation 3 also had an optical out? Did you know that you can play digital streams over a digital out? Sony forgot! Long story short: Sony forgot to disable the optical out for SACD streams.This is how you can get the DSD files from SACDs. I believe this is the only way to actually get the pure digital files. 

 

Once you've got your hands on a DSD file, you can easily encode it to a PCM file. 

 

 

Of course, this is all from what I've gathered, correct me (anyone) if I'm wrong. 


Thanks, elwappo,

I wouldn't buy a Playstation just for that purpose, but if I find someone who has one, I will try to arrange use for that purpose.

Also, I thought the DSD file was the one you got in an SACD hybrid issue when a special player was not used, I'm confused. If not, then what file did I get when I transferred from cd to laptop? I suppose it would be just a regular wave file, right?

post #10630 of 13134
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Originally Posted by Ripvanlink View Post
 
 


Thanks, elwappo,

I wouldn't buy a Playstation just for that purpose, but if I find someone who has one, I will try to arrange use for that purpose.

Also, I thought the DSD file was the one you got in an SACD hybrid issue when a special player was not used, I'm confused. If not, then what file did I get when I transferred from cd to laptop? I suppose it would be just a regular wave file, right?

 

If I understand it all correctly, only a few playstations can play SACD. Of those, you need a specific hardware version. Of those you need one that has a specific firmware, because Sony realized what was happening, and quickly patched the system to prevent it. 

 

 

I believe that if you are getting any files off of a hybrid SACD from a computer drive, you are taking PCM encoded files, encoded in redbook (16/44.1), not the DSD (24/88). So pretty much you're just getting a CD from it. 

post #10631 of 13134
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Originally Posted by elwappo99 View Post
 

 

If I understand it all correctly, only a few playstations can play SACD. Of those, you need a specific hardware version. Of those you need one that has a specific firmware, because Sony realized what was happening, and quickly patched the system to prevent it. 

 

 

I believe that if you are getting any files off of a hybrid SACD from a computer drive, you are taking PCM encoded files, encoded in redbook (16/44.1), not the DSD (24/88). So pretty much you're just getting a CD from it. 


I see. Thanks

post #10632 of 13134

Thanks!!! I just got mine on Friday, I'm lovin it, bought a E12DIY last night. I am stuck trying to figure out what headphones to go with. What are thoughts of IEMs vs overear.

 

Ric


Edited by huangwan - 6/24/14 at 1:40pm
post #10633 of 13134
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Originally Posted by huangwan View Post
 

Thanks!!! I just got mine on Friday, I'm lovin it, bought a E12DIY last night. I am stuck trying to figure out what headphones to go with. What are thoughts of IEMs vs overear.

 

Ric

 

There's pro's and cons to both. I love the X5 with my Cosmic Ears HY3 when I am on the move, it's detailed, musical, and has great soundstage and separation - all the things you would look for.

 

On the other hand, if I am in the house and listening to the X5, I often have my B&W P5's plugged into it and that's a different listening experience that adds warmth and bass depth.

 

Horses for courses, it depends on what sort of sound you like and where you are.

post #10634 of 13134
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Originally Posted by violencer View Post


In same situation... I'm already have UE900 and XBA-H3, using them with FiiO X5, but now I need open-back headphone for home... I read in russian community that X1 will be a nice combo with X5. I have opportunity to buy it from amazon but no any chance listen to before  buy... I also want to buy FiiO X1 as replacement to Sansa Clip for sport. MP4NATION gives good discount for FiiO Amp. when you buying something with FiiO Amp. Should I buy the E12 for X5+UE900, XBA-H3, Fidelio X1? Does the E12 add some weight for music? Will it be more warm, add punchy bass, increase soundstage?

Currently, I'm a little disappointed with X5 sound... For audiophile music it's a very good DAP, I like it, but for electronic music especially for experimental, industrial, Japan/Power Noise, sound is little harsh and tiny and for speedy bass music such as Mutant Break and Bass, French Dubstep, Drumstep, Breakcore etc, sound is little lack of sub buffer punchy bass. Anyway, I like the FiiO devices with same love as other people like the Apple devices and will replace my X5 only for the X7.

PS. Please, forgive me for my English smily_headphones1.gif

The e12 adds soundstage and with the excellent bass boost turned on you won't be left wanting for more. It hits low and is very tight. You really can't go wrong for the price, especially when paired with the X5. You will get your punch back.
post #10635 of 13134
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Originally Posted by Ripvanlink View Post
 

What I would like to know about SACD recordings is: can they be converted to a format like flac w/o a special player? I use dbPowerAmp to convert cds to flac and I love that program, but when I tried to add the SACD file, instead I got the DSD one w/o any indication that I had a choice. I guess that's automatic.

I see info that headfiers mention where they convert to 24/88 but I thought that  SACDs can only be accessed on special cd/dvd players b/c of proprietary Sony protections. Is there a way to get around that restriction, if it does indeed exist?

 

It's been a while since I read up on it, but if you have the true DSD stream files I believe you can use Foobar2000 to convert them to FLAC.

 

There were quite a few articles/sites that had info on ripping SACDs that I found through Google.

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