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post #211 of 311

I found exactly the same case when I had the 2400's, sounded like kack out of amp's but sublime out of the headphoe out on my Sony CDP X777ES transport. 

 

@mohawk: glad a $1.6k headphone has been able to dethrone your $300 SR-5/SRD-6 setup.

post #212 of 311
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@mohawk: glad a $1.6k headphone has been able to dethrone your $300 SR-5/SRD-6 setup.

It's like that guy over at 6moons said. For a reasonable price you can generally get a piece of gear that excels with either detail or body. The STAX were kings of detail but had very little body. What I was looking for a headphone that could do both without sacrificing what I had come to love about the STAX. It cost more than I had planned on spending but I just started college. My idea was to save up and get the best system I could afford within a few months time. That way I can focus on my school work without worrying about upgradis. Now I've just got to decide on an amp.

I do want to note though that the other headphones were at a strong disadvantage with my vintage amplifier. I'm sure they would have sounded better, and possibly even beaten the STAX with proper amplification but I didn't want to put money into a system I couldn't be sure of. Better safe than sorry. Not the traditional way to go about things, and it does devalue my impressions a bit, but I knew there would be no way I could afford a headphone of this class had I been buying and selling both headphones and amplifiers.
post #213 of 311

Hi Mohawk is there anything more about the Ed 12 that you could share with the waiting crowd??? I would love to learn more from your experience....

post #214 of 311

The problem with Ultrasone 10 has probably scared buyers away.  

post #215 of 311
Sorry for the lack of an update pietcux, I've been swamped with homework this past week. And on top of that I've been sick.

For this past week I've been trying a different amplifier, the Sherwood S-7210A. I found this amp bright/bass light with my STAX, no such problem here. In fact, I've been swapping back and forth between the headphone jack and 'tape' output(direct from source) and the sound sig is much closer than my other amp. It's just a tad thinner running from the amp.

Gone is the excessive forwardness, but also the velvety treble. The only way I can really describe what I'm hearing is 'accurate'. I think I would prefer an amplifier a tad more laid-back and weighty though. Just a tad though as it's close to perfection as is, just a little too 'HD' or 'vivid'. Dynamics were better with the 'tubey' S6000 though it was also brighter(hard to explain, it's almost as if everything is boosted/larger with that amp). I'd split my library 50/50 with what sounds better on each amp.

I don't really know what else to say besides that I'm really enjoying my music right now. I'm holding off on doing a full review until I've gotten a serious amplifier. I highly doubt I'm hearing them at their best with an amp from 73'.

I know I'm the only one with these so far, but any ED10 owners want to chime in on what amps they found good pairings? I'm looking at the RWA Cassabria, DNA Sonett 2, and ECP Audio at the moment. Stupid question, but is it advisable to go with a low-power amp over one designed to run the orthos? Besides having to keep the volume low, are there any disadvantages to running too powerful an amplifier? I do get some channel imbalance with my speaker amps if I turn them down any lower than 7 o'clock; which is worrying as I listen just above that.(I'm one click away from no sound on the S7210A. Fortunately I can wiggle the thing in between clicks as it's not a real stepped attenuator.)
Edited by MohawkUS - 9/25/13 at 12:28am
post #216 of 311
May I suggest Meier Audio amps? Jan Meier is a well known in the HeadFi community for his high quality products. And he took the Ed 12 into his portfolio alongside with the likes of the HD800.
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To be perfectly honestly, I always felt the Edition 10 sounded best when driven straight from a good, slightly warm source and not externally amped. I prefer it straight from a Sony DAP to the plethora of four figure amps over the years.

post #218 of 311
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To be perfectly honestly, I always felt the Edition 10 sounded best when driven straight from a good, slightly warm source and not externally amped. I prefer it straight from a Sony DAP to the plethora of four figure amps over the years.

 

 

Wow! it's so unusual to read this in this forum. Thanks :beerchug: 

post #219 of 311
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To be perfectly honestly, I always felt the Edition 10 sounded best when driven straight from a good, slightly warm source and not externally amped. I prefer it straight from a Sony DAP to the plethora of four figure amps over the years.

 

+1

I loved the sound of ED10 playing from my iPod.
(I have never tried them from a good amp so unfortunately I don't have a comparison).
post #220 of 311
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To be perfectly honestly, I always felt the Edition 10 sounded best when driven straight from a good, slightly warm source and not externally amped. I prefer it straight from a Sony DAP to the plethora of four figure amps over the years.

I guess the first thing on my list will be an adapter so that I can try these direct off my Fuze then. DAPs do have amps built in though; I can't run it direct off of my desktop sources. My DAC plays too quietly and my phono-amp too loudly.

Thanks for the advice, doesn't necessarily discourage me from trying out a pricy amp, but I'll definetly look for something with a generous return policy. redface.gif
post #221 of 311
I too prefer my Ed 10's when they're driven off a "lesser" amp. But then again I prefer all of my headphones when running off my HP-P1 rather than my desktop setup. With the exception of my LCD 3's which allow a level of saturation I've yet to hear an equal to.


I feel the Ed 10's are more akin to iems as far as matching them with an amp goes. Which depending on how you look at it is a good thing. I think a lot of people were turned off because they tried running them off of their high end setups, ran into problems( which I did ), and figured since they didn't sound spectacular than they were garbage and not worth even trying on anything else.

What I love about the edition 10's is that they sound awesome played through basic sources. Even my headstage arrow.
post #222 of 311
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To be perfectly honestly, I always felt the Edition 10 sounded best when driven straight from a good, slightly warm source and not externally amped. I prefer it straight from a Sony DAP to the plethora of four figure amps over the years.

 

This matches my experience with the HFI-2400. I got them when I only had a Ipod and a PC with a Xonar STX only used for gaming. A few month later I got the Meier Audio Stepdance and began to get some ringing in my ears after long music listening sessions. Then Tyll's review of the Ed 10 came out and I realized that the HFI-2400 voicing must be quite similar to what tormented Tyll's ears. But I still think he over reacted by publishing such a destruction, to be honest. But that is him, not me. Anyways Ultrasone reacted by creating the Signatures to correct this image and I feel they did not only good, they did excellent. Both cans are superb compared to their competitors in my opinion. They can be driven by modern headphone amps better than by DAPs, even though that is also an option. I should have tried the HFI-2400/PRO900/PRO2900 from a old amplifier, but I have none......

Now I hope that the ED 12 kinda follows this new sonic path that the Signatures created. I could need an open can the other day.

post #223 of 311
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This matches my experience with the HFI-2400. I got them when I only had a Ipod and a PC with a Xonar STX only used for gaming. A few month later I got the Meier Audio Stepdance and began to get some ringing in my ears after long music listening sessions. Then Tyll's review of the Ed 10 came out and I realized that the HFI-2400 voicing must be quite similar to what tormented Tyll's ears. But I still think he over reacted by publishing such a destruction, to be honest. But that is him, not me. Anyways Ultrasone reacted by creating the Signatures to correct this image and I feel they did not only good, they did excellent. Both cans are superb compared to their competitors in my opinion. They can be driven by modern headphone amps better than by DAPs, even though that is also an option. I should have tried the HFI-2400/PRO900/PRO2900 from a old amplifier, but I have none......
Now I hope that the ED 12 kinda follows this new sonic path that the Signatures created. I could need an open can the other day.

The 2900s are very demanding of amplifier, that is why I kinda find this so hard to believe about the ED10s not needing much amplification. I tried the 2900s off an Essence STX, my Fuze, and a Burson 160DS. On the Fuze the midrange was so recessed that I actually couldn't hear the vocals of some of my metal songs at all.(for reference the band was Electric Wizard. Their vocals aren't all that subtle.) The STX was decent, and the Burson was resolving and detailed. Unfortunately, and I think this may be output impedance related, the combo sounded really bright, un-natural, flabby, as well as the Burson developed a hiss after a few months. Ah, well I placed the order for the adapter and I'm going to try them with an old CD player and my dad's tape deck(both of which have volume control on board) while I wait. If it sounds good off of all these sources I'll have you guys and gals to thank for saving me a load of money. biggrin.gif

I'm curious, but has anyone here experimented with tube amps? I'm generally in the SS camp myself; but all this talk about amps has me wondering if that may be something worth considering.
Edited by MohawkUS - 9/26/13 at 3:13pm
post #224 of 311
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The 2900s are very demanding of amplifier, that is why I kinda find this so hard to believe about the ED10s not needing much amplification. I tried the 2900s off an Essence STX, my Fuze, and a Burson 160DS. On the Fuze the midrange was so recessed that I actually couldn't hear the vocals of some of my metal songs at all.(for reference the band was Electric Wizard. Their vocals aren't all that subtle.) The STX was decent, and the Burson was resolving and detailed. Unfortunately, and I think this may be output impedance related, the combo sounded really bright, un-natural, flabby, as well as the Burson developed a hiss after a few months. Ah, well I placed the order for the adapter and I'm going to try them with an old CD player and my dad's tape deck(both of which have volume control on board) while I wait. If it sounds good off of all these sources I'll have you guys and gals to thank for saving me a load of money. biggrin.gif

I'm curious, but has anyone here experimented with tube amps? I'm generally in the SS camp myself; but all this talk about amps has me wondering if that may be something worth considering.

 

I play 2900s directly out of my HTC One and they sound exemplary.  They are my favorite cans straight from source so far.  Really can't wait for a few Edition 12 reviews.  :D

post #225 of 311

It's unlikely to see a price drop on Edition 12 because Edition 10 still commands a fair bit, but you never know.  

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